Complaining about kids???

[Crusin6]

Really? Nobody is bashing kids.......they are describing their experience with kids that obviously have no parental guidance....

nope..it is discriminatory kid bashing....

 

as you are on the West Coast and I am not, I will leave you to continue on your own tonight...good night

[LibratPDX]

Since no one else has done it i guess i'll chime in here for the unruly drunk children.

 

Hello my name is Joshua, and my frist cruise was last year, i was 20, nearly 21.

 

 

 

Annoying children.

 

There isn’t really any such thing. These kids are enjoying themselves. If that conflicts with your idea of vacation that is on you. However you want to enforce rules on your own children is fine, but don’t expect anyone else to live up to your expectations.

 

Annoying Teenagers. 10-16

 

These guys aren’t in the same boat as the younger cruisers. They are old enough to know better. But are you seriously going to tell me that button mashing in the elevator is so horrible? Generally speaking there is a chance that your elevator will stop on every single floor anyways. Besides that walking up and down the stairs isn’t a big deal. People will move without you having to say anything if you are obvious about needing them to. A simple Excuse me is all I’ve ever needed.

 

Running up and down the halls at night is something I’ve either not noticed, or didn’t see. By the time I get back to my cabin I’m usually so tired I don’t hear anything until I get my wakeup call.

 

The younger adults -17-20

 

Someone brought up the idea of a cerfew for kids 17 and below. That isn’t realistic at all. Any 17yr old smart enough to think is out to sneak into the adult comedy shows, games, and the dance club. In my opinion whether they are successful is really up to their parents.

 

The partying, drinking crowd.

 

This is where I am I guess. I don’t really know what to say about us except that for a lot of us getting drunk on our first cruise is a learning experience. That should factor into how annoying we are. We don’t know how to act in this kind of social arena. Being allowed to expirement in this enclosed "safe" enviroment is cruital to learning how to behave.

 

 

All of these factors boil down to one thing. If you can’t handle loud kids and obnoxious young adults then a cruise vacation isn’t for you. At least not one with kids allowed on board. There is nothing wrong with not being able to handle a crying baby, or a mischievous young kid, but at the same time it isn’t fair to harass them either.

 

 

I haven’t witnessed nearly any of the issues that you all seem to have had to deal with. But If I had it wouldn’t have ruined my cruise. I got sick because of the enclosed nature of the ship. Not even that ruined it for me and I love karaoke. That’s really all I have to share at this time. I hope we can all enjoy each other's company in the years to come. Happy cruising.

 

 

Very well said!! I am lucky that I have never witnessed first hand most of the behavior mentioned in this thread. I agree, kids will be kids, young adults will be young adults. People who are on a cruise sometimes drink to excess and may become obnoxious. Unless they are a danger to themselves or others, let 'em be! Remove yourself from the equation if you disapprove, 'nuff said!

[MissDiva1]

nope..it is discriminatory kid bashing....

 

as you are on the West Coast and I am not, I will leave you to continue on your own tonight...good night

 

No it is not......and why don't you reply to people that quoted your other posts several times about people on here can't stand to see a cohesive family having fun? Saying that some of us are just jealous? When you have been confronted on those subjects you just quietly go away only to come back and say now we are disciminating against kids:confused: You seriously can't see how wrong that is:confused:

Most of us will continue to sail on this family friendly cruiseline but we will report those kids that are a menace to other paying passengers like it or not........and by being a menace I certainly don't mean family friendly fun.....

[pontiac1977]

see what I mean? Complain about a different demographic...and you are flamed

 

Complain about kids.....and it is applauded

 

seriously folks..just stop and think about it...if you have to constantly complain about kids on cruises..then maybe it is time to vacation elsewhere.....or go on Cunard.....but regardless, kids and families will always be on cruise ships.

Nah ,Cunard failed its CDC test.I think it was kids with their mouths on the ice cream machine.

[MissDiva1]

Since no one else has done it i guess i'll chime in here for the unruly drunk children.

 

Hello my name is Joshua, and my frist cruise was last year, i was 20, nearly 21.

 

 

 

Annoying children.

 

There isn’t really any such thing. These kids are enjoying themselves. If that conflicts with your idea of vacation that is on you. However you want to enforce rules on your own children is fine, but don’t expect anyone else to live up to your expectations.

 

Annoying Teenagers. 10-16

 

These guys aren’t in the same boat as the younger cruisers. They are old enough to know better. But are you seriously going to tell me that button mashing in the elevator is so horrible? Generally speaking there is a chance that your elevator will stop on every single floor anyways. Besides that walking up and down the stairs isn’t a big deal. People will move without you having to say anything if you are obvious about needing them to. A simple Excuse me is all I’ve ever needed.

 

Running up and down the halls at night is something I’ve either not noticed, or didn’t see. By the time I get back to my cabin I’m usually so tired I don’t hear anything until I get my wakeup call.

 

The younger adults -17-20

 

Someone brought up the idea of a cerfew for kids 17 and below. That isn’t realistic at all. Any 17yr old smart enough to think is out to sneak into the adult comedy shows, games, and the dance club. In my opinion whether they are successful is really up to their parents.

 

The partying, drinking crowd.

 

This is where I am I guess. I don’t really know what to say about us except that for a lot of us getting drunk on our first cruise is a learning experience. That should factor into how annoying we are. We don’t know how to act in this kind of social arena. Being allowed to expirement in this enclosed "safe" enviroment is cruital to learning how to behave.

 

 

All of these factors boil down to one thing. If you can’t handle loud kids and obnoxious young adults then a cruise vacation isn’t for you. At least not one with kids allowed on board. There is nothing wrong with not being able to handle a crying baby, or a mischievous young kid, but at the same time it isn’t fair to harass them either.

 

 

I haven’t witnessed nearly any of the issues that you all seem to have had to deal with. But If I had it wouldn’t have ruined my cruise. I got sick because of the enclosed nature of the ship. Not even that ruined it for me and I love karaoke. That’s really all I have to share at this time. I hope we can all enjoy each other's company in the years to come. Happy cruising.

 

While you sound like a nice kid....your post does show that you are still young and don't understand that even pushing elevator buttons can be a hard ship on many people.....there are people with mobility problems that cannot take stairs.....and admitting to not knowing how to act while drinking alcohol does not give you a license to annoy others.....and I surely hope you don't think a cruiseship is a closed and safe environment for alcohol experimenting youths.....some drunkin youths have gone overboard with the same mentality........

 

So sound like a good kid......be safe!

[pontiac1977]

Did anyone get norovirus from an out of control kid who was on 100+ cruises,wearing shorts on elegent night, eating awful food out of a drunk old mans baseball cap recently?I know I did.Hey its been along time since we saw that golden oldie subject on norovirus.Lets not worry about class,I think Washington is working hard to make us all one class anyway.These posts including mine,are really ruining some of the fun.All cruises are great,even the ones that were not quite as good as others.Why do we all have these countdown clocks.I never set a count down clock to go to Burger King,or work.But that's just me.

[SarahQ]

see what I mean? Complain about a different demographic...and you are flamed

 

Complain about kids.....and it is applauded

 

seriously folks..just stop and think about it...if you have to constantly complain about kids on cruises..then maybe it is time to vacation elsewhere.....or go on Cunard.....but regardless, kids and families will always be on cruise ships.

 

100% true - go back over this thread an replace "kid" and "child" with "senior" and image the reaction it would get.

 

As a parent the constant kid-bashing (and questioning of parenting skills, parenting and even parentage) gets old sometimes. Although for real fun when it comes to this sort of topic, you need to check out the Holland America boards ;)

 

I've been on a number of cruises, both with and without my own small children, and I can say that the number of times I've been "disturbed" by children has been greatly outweighed by the number of times I've been "disturbed" by the behaviour of other passengers - whether that's drunk middle-aged passengers, surly overly-entitled passengers, rude and inconsiderate senior citizens etc.

 

To be honest I don't find a group of kids getting in my way any more or less irritating than the people who can't be bothered to let you off the elevator before they get on or those that zip around on motorized scooters with no regard for other passengers whatsoever.

 

Again, it isn't about excusing the poor behaviour of some kids, it's about the over-the-top reactions expressed by some posters.

 

The bottom line is that cruising is a social vacation - you WILL have to deal with other people (of all ages - and races, ethnicities, socio-economic status, etc), and if you are *that* sensitive about their behaviour, it may be time to choose a different kind of vacation.

[pafam4]

While you sound like a nice kid....your post does show that you are still young and don't understand that even pushing elevator buttons can be a hard ship on many people.....there are people with mobility problems that cannot take stairs.....and admitting to not knowing how to act while drinking alcohol does not give you a license to annoy others.....and I surely hope you don't think a cruiseship is a closed and safe environment for alcohol experimenting youths.....some drunkin youths have gone overboard with the same mentality........

 

So sound like a good kid......be safe!

 

That's the thing I really take issue with in Teddy's post. Despite the fact that he sounds like a well-meaning young man, if he thinks a cruise ship is a "safe, closed" place to experiment with alcohol, it does indeed show his youthful (and not yet mature) mindset. A cruise ship is the last place for someone with little experience with drinking to experiment!

[Crusin6]

100% true - go back over this thread an replace "kid" and "child" with "senior" and image the reaction it would get.

 

As a parent the constant kid-bashing (and questioning of parenting skills, parenting and even parentage) gets old sometimes. Although for real fun when it comes to this sort of topic, you need to check out the Holland America boards ;)

 

I've been on a number of cruises, both with and without my own small children, and I can say that the number of times I've been "disturbed" by children has been greatly outweighed by the number of times I've been "disturbed" by the behaviour of other passengers - whether that's drunk middle-aged passengers, surly overly-entitled passengers, rude and inconsiderate senior citizens etc.

 

To be honest I don't find a group of kids getting in my way any more or less irritating than the people who can't be bothered to let you off the elevator before they get on or those that zip around on motorized scooters with no regard for other passengers whatsoever.

 

Again, it isn't about excusing the poor behaviour of some kids, it's about the over-the-top reactions expressed by some posters.

 

The bottom line is that cruising is a social vacation - you WILL have to deal with other people (of all ages - and races, ethnicities, socio-economic status, etc), and if you are *that* sensitive about their behaviour, it may be time to choose a different kind of vacation.

I am glad to see that someone else out there gets it!!!:)

 

After reading all the threads discriminating against kids..I have come up with this "theory":rolleyes:....since it is completely and totally incorrect to speak poorly about any demographic anymore..and rightly so...people..or at least posters on this thread...are using "child bashing" as an outlet for their pent up frustration at having to watch their every single word in the outside world these days.....because should someone use a term that might "offend" someone's demographic...there is hell to pay...

 

no one should be discriminated against....and if any poster ever verbalized some of their negative thoughts posted here, regarding kids, in the in the real versus cyber world...they would be cut off in a second..a nanosecond...

 

How about suggesting that kids don't do sports...because it intrupts the weekends?The "soccer" moms..and "daddy ball" dad's would think you were nuts...

 

Or how about let's stop putting gifts under the tree because kids have too much stuff already and it is too expensive?....the retailers will come to kids defense in a minute...

[halos]

I love teenagers, but that's just me. Sometimes I wish I were one again :)

Have I ever witnessed kids run amok on a cruise? Yeah...just like I witness it on occasion while not on a cruise. I usually have issue with the parent (or lack of parenting) in those cases...

Usually I just ignore it. Of course the issues I have seen were ignorable. I've neer witnessed anything so horrific that I couldn't ignore it. My experience is that the vast majority of kids and their parents are pretty awesome, but there are some that are nowhere near awesome. That does not make me a child hater or a family hater. :rolleyes:

 

 

And I stick by my comment of those who don't enjoy seeing families having fun together..

Wow...how utterly absurd that blanket statement is.

 

(Nor does my realistic view make me 'jealous')

Good grief. :rolleyes:

 

I have serious issues with posters who believe that anyone who posts something that isn't 100% positive about ANYTHING (whether it's kids, or the cruise line or whatever...), makes them a 'hater'

Crazy how some people are so two dimensional that things are either black or white all the time, with no room for anything in between.

[H82seaUgo]

my kids like both jellied and whole.

[BlueJacketsFan1]

I have not really seen people 20-25 doing anything that bad or doing anything that has brothered us. Beside people might not complain about people that age because they are responsiable for themselves at that age. The kids people complain about are the ones that the parents are still fully responsiable for. Parents who seem to think I on vacation where can they go we are on a ship, and let their kids do about anything they want too. As for the drunk part, I have seen more people well past 25 getting really drunk. For us I think we try to remember back. How did we act from 18-25 and think well they are doing what most of us did at that age. Now when I was a kid, my sister and I would of acted a little wild at home or maybe in the cabin. But we did not act up or out in public. My parents always got complements when we were out in public for the way we acted. It just that those people didn't know it would change a little when the door closed in the room. For us thats the difference.:)

[Warm Breezes]

I have to say that I have run across just as many rude adults on a cruise as I have rude kids. Kids learn from their parents. If you see a kid hogging the stairway, their parent is probably one of those people with a towel on a chair holding it for their kid for hours without him showing up. If you see a kid cutting in line for some french fries, their parent is probably the one who cut you off in the buffet to put some salad dressing on their lettuce. If you see a kid saving some seats in the theater, their parents probably sent them in there to do that while they finished up in the casino. If you see a kid running and screaming down the hallway in the middle of the night, their parent is probably the one being loud and obnoxious at the bar who forgot they brought their kids along.

 

Rude people are both young and old and are found on land and on sea. You will run across them where ever you go. You can't control rude people, but you can control how you react to them and if you let them ruin you your vacation. I may give them the "Mom" look or say something sarcastic to them at the time the rudeness occurs...but it then becomes something that we later joke about and it gives us some memories to laugh at. There is nothing funnier than a rude person making a fool of themselves. There was a whole bunch of rude people on our Glory Cruise. The majority of them were adults with a few rude kids thrown in. We didn't let them spoil our cruise and we have a whole bunch of rude tales that we laughingly entertain our friends with when they ask how our cruise was.

[Rhitson88]

funny..144 posts belittling kids and berating their parents..ok, I admit there were a few in their defense...but seriously.....kid bashing on these threads is acceptable?

 

Try bashing any other segment of the population...just because you don't like how they act/react/conduct themselves on a cruise....and the thread gets closed down...as it is discriminatory and politically incorrect.......but nope...when it comes to insulting and bashing kids who happen to cruise it is open season.....shameful

 

again, I am not discussing the kid's behavior....I am posting regarding the ease with which many posters will insult and discriminate against kids on these threads.....

 

 

 

I did not start this thread with something to bash kids. Quite the opposite actually. As you can see in the original. Thats probably why it hasn't been shut down.

[Rhitson88]

see what I mean? Complain about a different demographic...and you are flamed

 

Complain about kids.....and it is applauded

 

seriously folks..just stop and think about it...if you have to constantly complain about kids on cruises..then maybe it is time to vacation elsewhere.....or go on Cunard.....but regardless, kids and families will always be on cruise ships.

 

 

 

I feel the same way. Unfortunately people don't take that in and would much rather have THE FUTURE (kids) work around them rather than the other way around. Obviously in alot of situations the kids need to work around you but you aren't gonna tell the future of this world where and when to vacation. Good point Cruisin6.

[Rhitson88]

No it is not......and why don't you reply to people that quoted your other posts several times about people on here can't stand to see a cohesive family having fun? Saying that some of us are just jealous? When you have been confronted on those subjects you just quietly go away only to come back and say now we are disciminating against kids:confused: You seriously can't see how wrong that is:confused:

Most of us will continue to sail on this family friendly cruiseline but we will report those kids that are a menace to other paying passengers like it or not........and by being a menace I certainly don't mean family friendly fun.....

 

 

 

Why are you always looking for a fight. Thats all I ever see from you on threads. Get over yourself. Who cares if they don't wanna reply. Jeez.

[Crusin6]

I did not start this thread with something to bash kids. Quite the opposite actually. As you can see in the original. Thats probably why it hasn't been shut down.

oh..I know that..but what happens here is that any thread relating to kids and their behavior always seems to turn into a kid bashing thread...no matter how you look at it...

 

and as I said previously...kid bashing comments by some posters apparantly is a way to make discriminating remarks against a certain segment of society.....an be able to get away with it...

[Crusin6]

I feel the same way. Unfortunately people don't take that in and would much rather have THE FUTURE (kids) work around them rather than the other way around. Obviously in alot of situations the kids need to work around you but you aren't gonna tell the future of this world where and when to vacation. Good point Cruisin6.

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[Crusin6]

I feel the same way. Unfortunately people don't take that in and would much rather have THE FUTURE (kids) work around them rather than the other way around. Obviously in alot of situations the kids need to work around you but you aren't gonna tell the future of this world where and when to vacation. Good point Cruisin6.

Thanks..and believe me I have a bunch of great daughters at my house....for that very reason......I am raising the future and long as DH and I are on watch....the 4 that we turn out will be good.....that is our job

 

of course.....the girls feel that way as well....so it is easy over here.

 

hint for you...do not be afraid to say what you mean to your kids..and tell them honestly...let them know if you disapprove of someone as a friend..or disapprove of a certain activity.....you are not hindering them..you are guiding them.....and regardless of anyone will try to convince you of.....they will grow up strong and independant....:)

[MissDiva1]

 

 

Wow...how utterly absurd that blanket statement is.

 

(Nor does my realistic view make me 'jealous')

Good grief. :rolleyes:

 

I have serious issues with posters who believe that anyone who posts something that isn't 100% positive about ANYTHING (whether it's kids, or the cruise line or whatever...), makes them a 'hater'

Crazy how some people are so two dimensional that things are either black or white all the time, with no room for anything in between.

 

Seriously and I honestly think that person knows it.........

 

 

 

I have to say that I have run across just as many rude adults on a cruise as I have rude kids. Kids learn from their parents. If you see a kid hogging the stairway, their parent is probably one of those people with a towel on a chair holding it for their kid for hours without him showing up. If you see a kid cutting in line for some french fries, their parent is probably the one who cut you off in the buffet to put some salad dressing on their lettuce. If you see a kid saving some seats in the theater, their parents probably sent them in there to do that while they finished up in the casino. If you see a kid running and screaming down the hallway in the middle of the night, their parent is probably the one being loud and obnoxious at the bar who forgot they brought their kids along.

 

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I agree 100% and those are the kids people are complaining about.....which hardly relates to cohesive family fun. We have alway had family fun on our vaction and I still have seen these out of control kids and parents....some need to take the blinders off.

 

 

Why are you always looking for a fight. Thats all I ever see from you on threads. Get over yourself. Who cares if they don't wanna reply. Jeez.

 

Hardly a fight lol! Just wondering why some people post if they can't explain their post when someone questions it.....that's all.

[havelotsfaith]

I am sure a lot of people will not agree and that is fine but my opinion is this: Carnival is very is geared towards families. You KNOW there will be children on the cruise. With that said if children bother you I would choose another way to vacation or maybe a cruiseline less geared towards family. Even well behaved childred are still children and there idea of fun isn't being perfectly quite as some of you would hope that they would. I will agree that certain behaviors should be nipped in the bud but for the most part I am going on my frist cruise KNOWING it isn't going to be peace and harmony everywhere I go.

[MrsHeart]

On our last cruise, what we witnessed was that the kids all get together and roam the ship. They don't have to stay in the kids club and so they don't. We were talking with another couple whose child was amongst the group and while they weren't bad kids, they were just not behaving appropriately.

 

On our last cruise we saw kids (teens) hopping from one lounge chair to the next in trampoline fashion. We were run out of a hot tub one afternoon when an influx of them came in and started getting frisky with one another, plus we did see a few of them obviously intoxicated.

 

Just my opinion, I know as a parent, if I brought my kids, I wouldn't turn my kids loose. If it's a family vacation, then we're doing stuff together.

[golfb4cruzing]

There is a difference that everyone seems to be missing. There are kids and then there is BEBEs kids. One set respects it's surroundings and shows manners and politeness. The other is a result of todays parenting. It's not all, so don't get your panties in a bunch but everything has to be over the top and immediate today. Generations survived without a cell phone in their hands 24/7. I can argue this all day. No respect at home = No respect in public. If you think I'm wrong, you are part of the problem.

[bougiet]

Why are you always looking for a fight. Thats all I ever see from you on threads. Get over yourself. Who cares if they don't wanna reply. Jeez.

 

Get over yourself honey. Kids are wonderfull however there are some parents out there that do not care if their children misbehave. People who pay for a crusie have the right to complain if they so desire. Not all children are perfect angels, some are annoying little **** that were never taught respect. Jeez to you :eek:

[Rhitson88]

I am sure a lot of people will not agree and that is fine but my opinion is this: Carnival is very is geared towards families. You KNOW there will be children on the cruise. With that said if children bother you I would choose another way to vacation or maybe a cruiseline less geared towards family. Even well behaved childred are still children and there idea of fun isn't being perfectly quite as some of you would hope that they would. I will agree that certain behaviors should be nipped in the bud but for the most part I am going on my frist cruise KNOWING it isn't going to be peace and harmony everywhere I go.

 

 

 

 

I agree. But people think that its only them that matter on a cruise and kids can't be kids on a cruise. Understanding that maybe a 10 yr old enjoys him or herself acting as, oh I don't know, maybe a 10 yr old? Its just hard to explain stuff to people who have never had kids, or people who have had kids and couldn't wait the second they were of legal age to be pushed out of the house.