Underage or under behaved?

[Karysa]

So if the cruiseline reps are reading this thread thus far, I would think that their take away is that not one person ( of the few that actually cared enough to post) would choose the misbehaving adult to the well behaved 17 year old in the adult only venue given this choice.

 

That is what I would have thought ( but with more responders). Maybe it's one of those no-brainer questions.:)

[cb140]

both!

 

This just baffles me. Why on earth would one care that there were two seventeen year olds in the comedy club? The loud heckler - yes. Misbehaving 17 year olds - yes. But well behaved 17 year olds? How would you even know they were seventeen? My son has been going to comedy clubs since he was 14.

[Warm Breezes]

Why would any 17-old want to be in a place that serves alcohol?

 

Almost every time we go out to eat my kids have been in a place that serves alcohol...including the MDR on a cruiseship :eek::rolleyes:. But I agree with most on here. If the venue is designated as 18 + after a certain time then DD(15) should not be there, DS(18) now can. I would certainly hope that the security would also escort out the obnoxious drunks as well. Well behaved drunks are ok :D.

[johneeo]

Why would any 17-old want to be in a place that serves alcohol?

 

Football games, baseball games, rock concerts, amusement parks, restaurants, and church socials, to name a few.

[johneeo]

This just baffles me. Why on earth would one care that there were two seventeen year olds in the comedy club? The loud heckler - yes. Misbehaving 17 year olds - yes. But well behaved 17 year olds? How would you even know they were seventeen? My son has been going to comedy clubs since he was 14.

 

Just another matter of the cruise line having rules that are not enforced.

 

How would you like it if you wanted to see the adult comedy show, but could not get in because it was full because the Ridley High School marching band (14, 15 and 16 year olds) took every seat?

 

Same thing for the Solarium or the Night Club.

[cb140]

Just another matter of the cruise line having rules that are not enforced.

 

How would you like it if you wanted to see the adult comedy show, but could not get in because it was full because the Ridley High School marching band (14, 15 and 16 year olds) took every seat?

 

Same thing for the Solarium or the Night Club.

 

Well, to give your question serious consideration, although I'm guessing it was partly rhetorical, I'm not sure that I wouldn't mind any more than if it was full for any other reason. Like the thread originator, I would be far more concerned about how they behaved than what their chronological age was. If they misbehave, obviously I would not want them there. Another issue, probably specific to the comedy club, would be that if they were so sheltered that they found the jokes shocking, they probably should not be there either. These shows in my experience are catered to an American mainstream audience, and are pretty tame in my opinion, but I can see if your child has been protected from bad language or sexual references, it might not be the place for them. That is parental choice, and I don't happen to think that it is the business of anybody else in the audience. I do think that if the comedian is uncomfortable, he or she would have the right to ask the young person to leave.

 

Regarding the solarium, I do think there is a slight difference, in that the presence of young children or young teens IS likely to impact on my experience. They are often noisier, splashier, and less considerate of others. Even if they are behaving considerately at the time, there is always a slight underlying anxiety that they will cease to do so. That slight underlying anxiety is enough to take the edge off what should be an enjoyable adult safe haven.

 

I simply don't have the same issues with a teen in a comedy club. With the obvious proviso that they behave identically to the adults around them, which in my experience they invariably do.

[Karysa]

Well, to give your question serious consideration, although I'm guessing it was partly rhetorical, I'm not sure that I wouldn't mind any more than if it was full for any other reason. Like the thread originator, I would be far more concerned about how they behaved than what their chronological age was. If they misbehave, obviously I would not want them there. Another issue, probably specific to the comedy club, would be that if they were so sheltered that they found the jokes shocking, they probably should not be there either. These shows in my experience are catered to an American mainstream audience, and are pretty tame in my opinion, but I can see if your child has been protected from bad language or sexual references, it might not be the place for them. That is parental choice, and I don't happen to think that it is the business of anybody else in the audience. I do think that if the comedian is uncomfortable, he or she would have the right to ask the young person to leave.

 

Regarding the solarium, I do think there is a slight difference, in that the presence of young children or young teens IS likely to impact on my experience. They are often noisier, splashier, and less considerate of others. Even if they are behaving considerately at the time, there is always a slight underlying anxiety that they will cease to do so. That slight underlying anxiety is enough to take the edge off what should be an enjoyable adult safe haven.

 

I simply don't have the same issues with a teen in a comedy club. With the obvious proviso that they behave identically to the adults around them, which in my experience they invariably do.

 

OP here. You and I differ a bit on this one. If I saw a 17 year old of mine (have none at present) at the adult show and the theatre was packed I would ask them to leave as long as the show hadn't started and this was not interrupting anyone.

[Dayenu]

If you had a say would you be happier to have a well behaved 17 year old in an 18 plus venue or a rudely behaved adult?

 

Seems to me that they escort the well behaved 17 year olds out way faster than the drunk/rude/misbehaving adults.

 

It doesn't matter what makes me happy, what matters are the rules of the ship. Would you argue with casino security if your 17 yo is escorted out? Same in a bar.

 

And if it was my 17 yo trying to get in a bar, s/he would be punished.

[johneeo]

I simply don't have the same issues with a teen in a comedy club.

 

Either do I. But, you might have an issue if you wanted to do the comedy club, but could not get in because it was packed with teenagers.

 

I'm just making the point that rules should be enforced, and if not, they should be abolished.

[GORDONCHICK]

This just baffles me. Why on earth would one care that there were two seventeen year olds in the comedy club? The loud heckler - yes. Misbehaving 17 year olds - yes. But well behaved 17 year olds? How would you even know they were seventeen? My son has been going to comedy clubs since he was 14.

 

Well, continue to be baffled. If a venue is designated for 18+, that's what I expect to be enforced. Some specialty restaurants are now enforcing no one over 13yo in after 8pm. My 11yo is just fine in fine dining environments (behaves and dresses appropriately, and never causes a scene), but those are the rules. They don't bend those, so why should they for this? I don't think they should.

 

By teaching your child that they are an exception to the rules, you're creating a mess for the rest of us to put up with now and later in their life.

[Karysa]

It doesn't matter what makes me happy, what matters are the rules of the ship. Would you argue with casino security if your 17 yo is escorted out? Same in a bar.

 

And if it was my 17 yo trying to get in a bar, s/he would be punished.

 

My thread, my question. Your thread, your question. The rules of cc.:D

[Karysa]

Well, continue to be baffled. If a venue is designated for 18+, that's what I expect to be enforced. Some specialty restaurants are now enforcing no one over 13yo in after 8pm. My 11yo is just fine in fine dining environments (behaves and dresses appropriately, and never causes a scene), but those are the rules. They don't bend those, so why should they for this? I don't think they should.

 

By teaching your child that they are an exception to the rules, you're creating a mess for the rest of us to put up with now and later in their life.

 

Never breaking the rules in front of your children would mean never ever speeding. I personally do not know of a parent that has driven their child ( not counting home from the hospital) and never, ever sped even a mile over the speed limit. Come to think of it that is breaking more than a rule on a cruise ship it's breaking the law.

[GORDONCHICK]

Never breaking the rules in front of your children would mean never ever speeding. I personally do not know of a parent that has driven their child ( not counting home from the hospital) and never, ever sped even a mile over the speed limit. Come to think of it that is breaking more than a rule on a cruise ship it's breaking the law.

 

Remind your daughter that while she's in medical school so she can be the exception to all the rules they will learn. Rules are usually in place for a reason (even when you are not aware of the reason). Justifying breaking them on a chat board isn't good enough reason for me. You and I are not going to agree on this.

[rvsullivan]

Remind your daughter that while she's in medical school so she can be the exception to all the rules they will learn. Rules are usually in place for a reason (even when you are not aware of the reason). Justifying breaking them on a chat board isn't good enough reason for me. You and I are not going to agree on this.

 

Your never going to convince those that feel entitled to change anything!! Same as balcony dividers and most of the other things that come up, booze smuggling etc. It's only a cruise ship rule so I don't have to follow them!!! There is a huge sense of entitlement among many. What a lesson to teach a future doctor!!!!:(

The rules are only for some to follow and I get to decide which ones they are! Amazing!!!

[Karysa]

Remind your daughter that while she's in medical school so she can be the exception to all the rules they will learn. Rules are usually in place for a reason (even when you are not aware of the reason). Justifying breaking them on a chat board isn't good enough reason for me. You and I are not going to agree on this.

 

Because I don't have a daughter in Med school or because of another reason?

[Karysa]

Your never going to convince those that feel entitled to change anything!! Same as balcony dividers and most of the other things that come up, booze smuggling etc. It's only a cruise ship rule so I don't have to follow them!!! There is a huge sense of entitlement among many. What a lesson to teach a future doctor!!!!:(

The rules are only for some to follow and I get to decide which ones they are! Amazing!!!

 

The question was a fun "Who would you rather question!"

 

So why don't you play along and answer it!:)

[iheartbda]

My thread, my question. Your thread, your question. The rules of cc.:D

HUH?:confused:

[Karysa]

HUH?:confused:

 

Sorry, not sure how to explain it better than that.:)

[iheartbda]

Sorry, not sure how to explain it better than that.:)

Do you mean this is your thread?

[Karysa]

Do you mean this is your thread?

 

 

It was meant as a fun response. I even added :D. :D

 

Do you have an answer to my question? So far no one has chosen the misbehaving adult, some have chosen the well behaved 17 year old, some have chosen both which wasn't an offered response and I think one wanted them both to stay.

[GORDONCHICK]

Because I don't have a daughter in Med school or because of another reason?

 

Your daughter will be in clinicals (per one of your other threads) , so it could also be nursing or another medical field - just as valid. A CNO (Chief Nursing Officer) wouldn't agree - I just left the medical field in June and was good friends with our CNO & she wouldn't put up with that junk at all.

[iheartbda]

It was meant as a fun response. I even added :D. :D

 

Do you have an answer to my question? So far no one has chosen the misbehaving adult, some have chosen the well behaved 17 year old, some have chosen both which wasn't an offered response and I think one wanted them both to stay.

No answer because it's sort of a "loaded" question. Of course people are going to pick well-behaved over drunk/unruly/misbehaving, but there are other things to consider.

 

You are now saying "fun thread", "fun response" but you didn't start out asking your original question in a fun:D way. I have a theory about that but will keep it to myself.:D

[Karysa]

Your daughter will be in clinicals (per one of your other threads) , so it could also be nursing or another medical field - just as valid. A CNO (Chief Nursing Officer) wouldn't agree - I just left the medical field in June and was good friends with our CNO & she wouldn't put up with that junk at all.

 

I am really sorry but I don't understand your last couple of posts.

 

Let's face it everyday we all use our moral compasses whether it is leaving our towel on a deck chair for a couple of hours or driving 5 MPH over the speed limit on the highway.

 

I still would chose the well behaved 17 year old sitting or dancing beside me in the adult venue compared to the ill mannered adult and given the choice I believe that most people would.

 

 

I do have a daughter who is in university studying to be a nurse and yes I have mentioned that before.

[GORDONCHICK]

 

Do you have an answer to my question? So far no one has chosen the misbehaving adult, some have chosen the well behaved 17 year old, some have chosen both which wasn't an offered response and I think one wanted them both to stay.

 

The 17yos shouldn't have even been in there to begin with. Then remove the misbehaving adult, and you arrive at my answer of both of them being gone.

[Karysa]

No answer because it's sort of a "loaded" question. Of course people are going to pick well-behaved over drunk/unruly/misbehaving, but there are other things to consider.

 

You are now saying "fun thread", "fun response" but you didn't start out asking your original question in a fun:D way. I have a theory about that but will keep it to myself.:D

 

If most people don't like misbehaving adults in adult only venues then that is what I hope any cruiseline reps get when reading this thread.