Am I the only one who'd love to cruise without formal night?

[MaryPoppinz]

I cannot agree that good social manners require that some one turn away from a wrong and act like it didn’t exist.

 

In interpersonal relationships, that is *precisely* what etiquette requires. It requires no etiquette whatsoever to confront an ill-behaved stranger. If you haven't read that correcting the etiquette of others is the highest breach of etiquette, you haven't been reading anyone's etiquette, Emily Post or otherwise.

 

BTW, a poorly cooked meal is not a breach of etiquette. It's a failure of professionalism, and the rules of interpersonal behavior do not prevail, the rules of professional behavior prevail.

[coiran]

In interpersonal relationships, that is *precisely* what etiquette requires. It requires no etiquette whatsoever to confront an ill-behaved stranger. If you haven't read that correcting the etiquette of others is the highest breach of etiquette, you haven't been reading anyone's etiquette, Emily Post or otherwise.

 

BTW, a poorly cooked meal is not a breach of etiquette. It's a failure of professionalism, and the rules of interpersonal behavior do not prevail, the rules of professional behavior prevail.

 

Maybe we should ask the "etiquette" police or the "grammar" police for an opinion - Arlene, if you are out there lurking you should be able to fulfill my request! But then, I couldn't read it.

 

Ron

[bdjam]

In interpersonal relationships, that is *precisely* what etiquette requires. It requires no etiquette whatsoever to confront an ill-behaved stranger. If you haven't read that correcting the etiquette of others is the highest breach of etiquette, you haven't been reading anyone's etiquette, Emily Post or otherwise.

 

BTW, a poorly cooked meal is not a breach of etiquette. It's a failure of professionalism, and the rules of interpersonal behavior do not prevail, the rules of professional behavior prevail.

In response because he says it so well:

It would be poor manners to make a fuss directly with the individual in question. It is not a breach of etiquette to make a comment to the Maitre d' that proper enforcement of the evening's dress would be considered a good thing.

What is being considered a breach of etiquette is not quite what I'm posting about here. Like a complaint about a poorly cooked meal, selling one type of cruise experience and failing to provide it is a failure in professionalism. Just like the tough veal, the car that falls apart when it leaves the dealership or the cruise that doesn’t meet its own standards. If I were to ignore the fact that Princess sold me something with specific features and then didn’t follow through with what they promised, then I’d be just as bad as those who buy a cruise with formal nights and refuse to accept them. I certainly won’t get in someone’s face and tell them they are poorly dressed – I have a bit more respect for my fellow man – dressed or not – than that. As it's been so deftly pointed out, I’d rather tattle behind their back. :rolleyes: Thanks for the etiquette lesson...I'll remember what you've taught me in the future.

[ripleysmom]

Not to belabor the point - but - you say that Princess allows people to bend the dress rules - How do you know this - your signature shows that your first Princess cruise is next month??

 

Ron

 

There have been several posts about how people were dressed on Princess. riekl even admits to a 5% figure of people not being appropriately dressed. Are you telling me that those posts are incorrect and that everyone is dressed "appropriately"?

[ripleysmom]

Doesn’t happen every time on every ship, but that’s what makes it exciting, doesn't it?

It also makes those guidelines not universally enforced like they should be if they were rules but hey why split hairs?

[cruisnfool]

Wouldn't it be great if the moderator would close a thread with a topic that as been beat to death?

Things we all know.......

The industry responding to customer requests has allowed both manners of dress. Formal and informal....not everyone agrees with this...

 

People will break any rule they can......not everyone agrees with this....

 

Cruis lines are not quick to enforce rules so as to avoid upsetting a paying customer.....not everyone agrees with this.....

 

Can we close this topic?

[bdjam]

Wouldn't it be great if the moderator would close a thread with a topic that as been beat to death?

Things we all know.......

The industry responding to customer requests has allowed both manners of dress. Formal and informal....not everyone agrees with this...

 

People will break any rule they can......not everyone agrees with this....

 

Cruis lines are not quick to enforce rules so as to avoid upsetting a paying customer.....not everyone agrees with this.....

 

Can we close this topic?

And don’t forget if a guideline is written but not enforced, some think it doesn’t exist.

[johnql]

Wouldn't it be great if the moderator would close a thread with a topic that as been beat to death?

It may be beaten to death, but for whatever reason, people continue to post to it, which keeps it near the top. I personally don't feel the moderator should ever close/lock/delete a thread unless people start to break CC's guidelines. If everybody expressed their disinterest in this thread by not posting to it, it would die a quick death.

[lesharona]

Wouldn't it be great if the moderator would close a thread with a topic that as been beat to death?

Can we close this topic?

 

AMEN!

[captainron]

We could have a Hawaiian formal...white dinner jacket, black pants flowery cumberbund and a bright coloured Hawaiian shirt and a pair of dress black sandals (chuckle)

 

Ciao for now!!!

[KathieR]

It may be beaten to death, but for whatever reason, people continue to post to it, which keeps it near the top. I personally don't feel the moderator should ever close/lock/delete a thread unless people start to break CC's guidelines. If everybody expressed their disinterest in this thread by not posting to it, it would die a quick death.

 

 

I agree. Why should they close a topic just because there are lots of responses to it. If people still want to respond and give their 2-cents on the subject then that's ok in my opinion. If you are sick of the subject, just skip it and read another thread. I mean no disrespect towards anybody. Just trying to say that if you are tired of the subject, move on to another one.

KathieR

[edYYZ]

I agree. Why should they close a topic just because there are lots of responses to it. If people still want to respond and give their 2-cents on the subject then that's ok in my opinion. If you are sick of the subject, just skip it and read another thread. I mean no disrespect towards anybody. Just trying to say that if you are tired of the subject, move on to another one.

KathieR

Me too. If people didn't like to read/reply/contribute to discussions on these topics, the threads would die themselves anyways. The fact that it's active means people want to discuss. I see some active posters choose not to participate in these threads, which I think is appropriate if they don't like the topic. Just my 2 cents.

 

As for formal nights, I do enjoy them. I think it's fun to get to dress up and see everyone looking classy. It's also nice that the cruise lines offer options for passengers who choose not to bring/rent formal wear or get involved in the night activites. In general, the dress codes on the ships aren't that bad. I mean, I wish they would update them so they're more modern, but it's definitely reasonable.

[coiran]

There have been several posts about how people were dressed on Princess. riekl even admits to a 5% figure of people not being appropriately dressed. Are you telling me that those posts are incorrect and that everyone is dressed "appropriately"?

 

You made the statement - what were your facts based on - hearsay?

 

Ron

[lesharona]

They want you to come formal

To not is considered immoral

Don't want to miss the lobster

Or hear, How much did those jeans cost her

 

So put on the gown and the tux

Don't have to spend a lot of bucks

You can place a bid on E-bay

to avoid having to eat in the buffet

 

If you see beyond the clothes on my frame

You might see, we really are all the same

Just trying to have a good time

On this wonderful cruise line

 

Pretty Good, Wcab!

[ripleysmom]

You made the statement - what were your facts based on - hearsay?

 

Ron

Apparently. Are you telling me that they are incorrect? That everyone is dressed appropriately? And that *gasp* your fellow posters are not truth tellers?

[coiran]

Apparently. Are you telling me that they are incorrect? That everyone is dressed appropriately? And that *gasp* your fellow posters are not truth tellers?

 

Didn't say that, but I would think that most posters make there posts based on past experience - you obviously don't.

 

Ron

[smudge's mom]

There are a few of you who are having such a good time, I wouldn't want to see the moderator ruin that.

 

Besides, I want to see 1000 responses.

 

But seriously, folks. How many different ways can you say the same thing?

 

Nothing you say will change anyone's mind - on either side of the issue.

 

And, let's face it. It doesn't matter what is written in Princess brochures, what is spoken by Princess reps - and what is repeated over and over again in this thread - AS LONG AS STAFF AT THE ENTRANCE TO THE DINING ROOMS DO NOT ENFORCE THE RULES - all this "wringing of hands" is irrelevant.

[shecruise]

 

And' date=' let's face it. It doesn't matter what is written in Princess brochures, what is spoken by Princess reps - and what is repeated over and over again in this thread - AS LONG AS STAFF AT THE ENTRANCE TO THE DINING ROOMS DO NOT ENFORCE THE RULES - all this "wringing of hands" is irrelevant.[/quote']

 

If we would all dress like the brochures suggest, the staff at the entrance to the dining rooms would not have to enforce anything

[Pam in CA]

It doesn't matter what is written in Princess brochures' date=' what is spoken by Princess reps - and what is repeated over and over again in this thread - AS LONG AS STAFF AT THE ENTRANCE TO THE DINING ROOMS DO NOT ENFORCE THE RULES - all this "wringing of hands" is irrelevant.[/quote']That is what is so unfortunate. If you have Guidelines or Rules, you should stick to them and be consistent. It's the inconsistency and lack of enforcement that degenerates into a lack of respect for the guidelines and rules. As a parent, don't you set guidelines or have home "rules" for your kids and expect them to stick to them? What happens when they don't?

[ripleysmom]

Didn't say that, but I would think that most posters make there posts based on past experience - you obviously don't.

 

Ron

I do have experience with other lines with the same types of issues (even *gasp* Carnival has them). Obviously it is a problem on Princess as well otherwise the question of formal night would not exist on this forum.

 

As I stated earlier, Princess is not any more special than any other mainstream cruiseline in regards to formal night dressing. They all complain about it and yet people still casually dress on formal nights and the staff do not enforce the dress suggestions.

 

I would like to point out though that my lack of experience with Princess has no relationship to the condescending and insulting attitudes that I see on this thread about those who do not dress in an approved manner. It also does not change my opinion that people dressing the way that they want does not ruin either my atmosphere or my dinner.

[shecruise]

I would like to point out though that my lack of experience with Princess has no relationship to the condescending and insulting attitudes that I see on this thread about those who do not dress in an approved manner. It also does not change my opinion that people dressing the way that they want does not ruin either my atmosphere or my dinner.

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Dont you think that if we all read the suggested dress requirements and then dressed accordinally we wouldn't have these discussions. I see the problem is the attitude of certain cruisers that dress as they see fit and do what they want to do and dam* the consequences. What is so hard about complying?

[ripleysmom]

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Dont you think that if we all read the suggested dress requirements and then dressed accordinally we wouldn't have these discussions. I see the problem is the attitude of certain cruisers that dress as they see fit and do what they want to do and dam* the consequences. What is so hard about complying?

 

Maybe the person doing the dressing thinks that they are complying or maybe they have the money to cruise but money for all of the extra clothes that they need just isn't there or maybe someone just did not feel like struggling into their pantyhose.....

 

There are reasons why people don't want to get dressed up, some are good reasons, some are not so good reasons but to tell you the truth it's not really any of my business and as long as they are companionable people then I don't see the problem.

[kryos]

And' date=' let's face it. It doesn't matter what is written in Princess brochures, what is spoken by Princess reps - and what is repeated over and over again in this thread - AS LONG AS STAFF AT THE ENTRANCE TO THE DINING ROOMS DO NOT ENFORCE THE RULES - all this "wringing of hands" is irrelevant.[/quote']

Believe me, they ARE enforcing the rules ... as those rules are given to them. I am sure someone in authority at Princess passes the standards down to the dining room captains. I am sure they are SPECIFICALLY told what to turn people away for and what to let "pass." These standards are probably derived from passenger comment cards and instructions from headquarters. They can change ... and are probably becoming more liberal as a result of past guest surveys, etc.

 

For example, maybe the dining room captains are now told ... formal night, let people go in if they don't have a jacket on, but are dressed "respectfully." Absolutely no jeans or tee-shirts on formal nights. Casual nights, let people "pass" even if in jeans as long as those jeans are neat ... no tatters, holes, etc, but no shorts, tank tops, etc.

 

Believe me, Princess is a big outfit and a saavy marketer. They wouldn't leave the decision as to who gets into the dining room up to the head waiters and matre 'd. They've got bigger brains making those decisions ... and those brains are not necessarily to be found onboard.

 

Just my humble opinion ...

 

Blue skies ...

 

--rita

[LARGIN]

Maybe the person doing the dressing thinks that they are complying or maybe they have the money to cruise but money for all of the extra clothes that they need just isn't there or maybe someone just did not feel like struggling into their pantyhose.....

 

Maybe then they should book a more casual cruise.

 

There are reasons why people don't want to get dressed up, some are good reasons, some are not so good reasons but to tell you the truth it's not really any of my business and as long as they are companionable people then I don't see the problem.

 

Regardless the reason, they can eat in the more casual dining areas. However most are because they just dont want to play by any rules. And I would assume that would be both off and on the ship. I can remember on one of my cruises, some guy wandered into the dining room wearing a tee shirt and overalls. A quick talk to the maitre d and the guy was escorted out.

[bdjam]

AS LONG AS STAFF AT THE ENTRANCE TO THE DINING ROOMS DO NOT ENFORCE THE RULES

But this is one of the points of this thread that some seem to be ignoring…the staff at the entrance to the dining room does sometimes enforce the guidelines…we’ve established that this enforcement is not consistent' date=' but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t occur. [/font']

If we would all dress like the brochures suggest, the staff at the entrance to the dining rooms would not have to enforce anything

:D

Believe me, Princess is a big outfit and a saavy marketer. They wouldn't leave the decision as to who gets into the dining room up to the head waiters and matre 'd. They've got bigger brains making those decisions ... and those brains are not necessarily to be found onboard.

Actually there are often gaps between what those in Santa Clarita think is going on and what those on board the ships are doing…that’s why one often can’t get good information from calling Princess.