Royal Caribbean Fights Back!

[wolfganghowell]

Actually the pic doesn't bother me. I've seen plenty of party pics through the years - it seems harmless enough that he didn't think he was in the frame. I don't read anything into it. (no offense) Also, remember this couple lived together for a year and half - I don't really see overwhelming jealousy as an issue in this. Good grief, I've had my husband call me names in a fight a lot worse than hussy and I've never kicked him. (yes, I make him apologize once he is calm and let him know that name calling is never acceptable...blah blah blah...) Hussy just doesn't cut it with me as warranting a groin kick - there was more to it than that whether it was a pattern of behavior or alcohol.

 

Something too just occurred to me. The "Russians" were obviously not too torn up over their party companion's death to be engaged in their sex video days later. No mourning or subdued behavior from them. Either they felt "untouchable" or they are sociopaths or are blameless. They are disgusting no matter which way you look at it but their behavior after a possible crime is strange - shouldn't they have wanted to avoid attention? Are we sure of the timeline on the "rape" incident - could it have happened before George went over?

[1corona4u]

Not sure about the chair but what interests me is the stain on the carpet between the sofa and the bed. Could that be blood? Seems like quite a bit if it is.

 

I don't know...but if so, that would explain the FBI taking the carpet and padding...

[AFT_LOVER]

Lee was hired by Jen's attorney to do the investigation. I guess he feels FBI isn't good anymore.

 

 

Corona, scrape or scrap, I don't see any importance in it.

 

For all we know there are ten million scrapes and scraps on that canopy, made before and after DH went over. Don't know how either one can be tied to DH. Even if it were evidence, it would be something the FBI missed, and only supports RCCL claim that the canopy was not painted.

 

But be worried about Dr. Lee having more mis-information than information at this point. He is an employee of the Widow Smith. If he has real evidence he should have turned it over to the FBI by now, assuming that the FBI did not already have it.

 

Mr. Moto is a side show in this circus. IMHO

[AFT_LOVER]

with Casino Hosts who are a top item to any successful casino. Their list of high rollers aka whales, makes them a top price employee making $1 mil a year. They keep these folks so happy with shopping trips on the casino, wife gets a free day at the spa for a once over of luxury, then a shopping trip for new dress for dinner on them that night. The casino host knows favorite food, colors, flowers, etc. She has the perfect suite for them every trip.

 

Then a new guy in town offers her twice the pay to join him & she goes with her customers in toe making for a major loss for her ex-employer & to court she goes having to reimburse them for their loss unless she can prove it was for the happiness of her customers. When she cannot, the casino gets her "book" & she is brand new with new whales to fish for for a 1/4 of her old pay. Bad move to leave the mighty one. Those folks do not want to be sold to someone else!!!!

 

 

 

Corona, I really thought that FOIA delt with Government Agencies, not private companies.

 

In my mind, the passanger list is the line's "customer list", and as such is confidential. Try getting a customer list from any company by just writing them...try American Express or Hilton Hotel. Now if they get a court order, that is different. But even there, there will be tight control over what is given (they will have to show need) and confidentiality agreements signed.

 

After all for all we know the Smith's may want it to sell RCCL passangers smuggled booze, using DW as the spokesperson, or sell our names & address on the internet.

 

The lawyer's and family will never acknowledge anyother view, only their own. They remind me of street merchants in 3rd world countries...

[rcicruiser]

Not sure about the chair but what interests me is the stain on the carpet between the sofa and the bed. Could that be blood? Seems like quite a bit if it is.

 

 

It could just be a stain or something that was spilled when they where going over the room looking for evidence.

 

If that is blood then why did not anyone including Jennifer see it when she was in the cabin. If it was blood they would have taken the carpet.

[AFT_LOVER]

If its Paul snapping the photo, it may be Galina with Jen & a stoned Goerge just sitting there. Remember he was sleeping with them which has me wondering if Paul & Jen???? I cannot picture a honeymooning couple letting half of a honeymooning couple to sleep on their couch???

 

 

 

 

I'm thinking she has her head against a female. Looks like the other person has a halter top on? I think I see shoulder????

 

Not sure what's going through his mind if anything. Might just be tired or under the influence already? In any case not the look of a happy groom toasting to their future life as she portrayed in her statements.

[bchbms]

Could have been a guy in a wife beater too...;) I was looking at the hairline...if it were a woman, she must have had her hair pulled back pretty tight.....

 

I think this was another woman also...not a really good picture, but it looks like a dangling earring there on the side of her head. And I tend to agree that George already looks half out of it.

 

As for the spot on the carpet between the couch and the bed, that is suspicious. I am worried about the remnants of the poor towel animal on the couch though...what happened to it?

:(

[NYDee]

Anyone else catch this comment by Captain Wright on The Abrams Report?

 

"WRIGHT: What he had was a missing person and he had what appeared to be possibly a bloodstain. He immediately contacted the authorities. The authorities, the Turkish authorities conducted a full forensic investigation that Dr. Lee and the Smith family and attorneys have a copy of, and I think it‘s fairly clear that we acted very responsibly.

 

If this is true how can the Smith's continue to say they have no information?

[Fury1995]

Lee was hired by Jen's attorney to do the investigation. I guess he feels FBI isn't good anymore.

 

Yes, and they all feel the Turkish Authorities are not good enough either. But why haven't the Smiths hired anyone like JHS has? Are the only hired guns the Smith's have all attorneys? And why has it taken so long to get motivated with their own investigations if they felt there was a cover up from the very beginning?

[Fury1995]

Anyone else catch this comment by Captain Wright on The Abrams Report?

 

"WRIGHT: What he had was a missing person and he had what appeared to be possibly a bloodstain. He immediately contacted the authorities. The authorities, the Turkish authorities conducted a full forensic investigation that Dr. Lee and the Smith family and attorneys have a copy of, and I think it‘s fairly clear that we acted very responsibly.

 

If this is true how can the Smith's continue to say they have no information?

 

NYDee, which day was that? I missed it. Do you have a link to the transcript?

[1corona4u]

It could just be a stain or something that was spilled when they where going over the room looking for evidence.

 

If that is blood then why did not anyone including Jennifer see it when she was in the cabin. If it was blood they would have taken the carpet.

 

In the event you missed it, the FBI did take the carpet and padding.

[Barky]

NYDee, which day was that? I missed it. Do you have a link to the transcript?

 

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11021040/

[FinelyCruising]

Must say I don't need another pic to learn more about the marriage of Jen and George sorry to say....

 

carona, if there were two and then only one chair, I think possible that George had a fit and sent it overboard.

[Barefoot_Pirate]

Fine, only one chair was on the balcony? Woooaah, I had not picked up on that....:eek:

[1corona4u]

Fine, only one chair was on the balcony? Woooaah, I had not picked up on that....:eek:

 

I'm not positive, but it looks that way.........:confused:

[Fury1995]

Finally found it!!! Clete said he saw the chairs... maybe he was mistaken?

 

From Dateline December 13th 2005 interview of Clete Hyman:

 

At 7 a.m., the chief went out on his balcony to take some snapshots of the Turkish port and peeked around the partition to the Smith cabin next door. He saw cigarette butts, and the metal chairs and coffee table moved.

Hyman:

I noticed that the drapes had been pulled back. That was allowing me to see in that the bed appeared to have been slept in. The sheets were in disarray.

Murphy:

Did you notice if the furniture in the room had in fact been moved around?

Hyman:

I didn’t want to sit there staring in the room, they could have been in there and this was just literally a quick glance. I couldn't see that far into the room.

[Fury1995]

Also, wouldn't you have looked out there if this was your thought?

 

Hyman: The first thought in my mind was somebody fell on the balcony because it was the last place I had heard anyone. However, I quickly dismissed that because the noise was just too loud. There was actually a reverberation to the noise. And somebody just falling you know off their feet to something on a balcony would not cause that much noise.

[FinelyCruising]

No, but Fury bashing the elbow would!

[1corona4u]

Ok, here's something I just noticed, or should say, just dawned on me. If there was blood on the sheets, then why are the sheets still on the bed in the "after" pix? Don't you think the Turk's would have taken it? I went to look and see if those spots on the carpet were there in all the pix, and although it does appear there was something there, I'm not sure it was in the first pic, with their stuff still in the room. But, I noticed the sheets, still on the bed. You don't think the Turk's would have left them if they had blood on them, do you??

[FinelyCruising]

The carpet goes, the sheets ought to go too.

[1corona4u]

Finally found it!!! Clete said he saw the chairs... maybe he was mistaken?

 

From Dateline December 13th 2005 interview of Clete Hyman:

 

 

At 7 a.m., the chief went out on his balcony to take some snapshots of the Turkish port and peeked around the partition to the Smith cabin next door. He saw cigarette butts, and the metal chairs and coffee table moved.

Hyman:

I noticed that the drapes had been pulled back. That was allowing me to see in that the bed appeared to have been slept in. The sheets were in disarray.

Murphy:

Did you notice if the furniture in the room had in fact been moved around?

Hyman:

I didn’t want to sit there staring in the room, they could have been in there and this was just literally a quick glance. I couldn't see that far into the room.

 

 

Ahh, ok good. I was worried that there was only one out there.......not sure why though, LOL......just another thought, it's kind of a stupid statement for him to say that he could see the chairs and table moved...like we don't all do that...I guess he was just trying to say that they were not in a normal state, as in chair, table, chair....who knows..........wonder if all the butts were the same brand...they will have DNA on them........

[Fury1995]

No, but Fury bashing the elbow would!

 

;) LOL

[Fury1995]

From Abrams... Jan 6th:

 

This was between 4:00 to 4:30. Four-thirty they found this lady, Jennifer, and they brought her back to the cabin. Of course nobody was in the cabin.

ABRAMS: Did they see the balcony door open?

LACHTARIDIS: The balcony door was closed they said. We talked to their parents and we talked to the young kids, so—to behave, not to drink, not to be noisy and not to use foul language.

 

So the Captain says the they (Brilliance security?) said balcony door was closed when they brought JHS back to the cabin but I can't find anything from Clete about the balcony door at 7 AM other than he looked into the Smith's cabin and saw the bed looked slept in... Anyone else?

[Barky]

Ok, here's something I just noticed, or should say, just dawned on me. If there was blood on the sheets, then why are the sheets still on the bed in the "after" pix? Don't you think the Turk's would have taken it? I went to look and see if those spots on the carpet were there in all the pix, and although it does appear there was something there, I'm not sure it was in the first pic, with their stuff still in the room. But, I noticed the sheets, still on the bed. You don't think the Turk's would have left them if they had blood on them, do you??

 

They left the carpet didn't they? It was removed at the request of the FBI later if I am recalling correctly. All very strange.

[Barefoot_Pirate]

Furry, on Gretta last week or the week before, Clete said the door was "partially open"....

 

Wish I had reference for you, but I don't keep notes.