Royal Caribbean Fights Back!

[smeyer418]

For some reason, the FBI quickly cleared JHS of any wrong doing (to her husband anyway). My guess is that tapes clearly show her passed out in the hallway, or some RCI worker has evidence that she was with him. Either way, the FBI stated that she was not a suspect. It's about the only voiced statement regarding the case so far.

 

Perhaps when they returned a p-o'd GS became unruly, socked someone in the nose accidently, the boys settled him and left. He sat on the railing having his smoke and simply fell. But someone was still the cabin, i.e. Josh in the bathroom, tending to a bleeding nose, but for some reason didn't report the accident...fear of getting blamed? Maybe a stretch, but who knows.:rolleyes:

 

You believe the FBI? I wouldn't not on something like this. They tell someone you are not "currently a suspect" and 20 minutes later they arrest the person. The FBI can and does lie during investigations all the time. You know one of the three greatest lies is "I am from the government and I am here to help you". Its also unusual until a case is closed for the FBI to rule anyone out in apublic announcement.

[EBFURR]

Fury, that is a pretty good construct of the timeline, but it does require discounting a few of the witness's versions. Not to say it is incorrect, and I think that you point out some of these inconsistencies in your post:

 

For one thing, the 4:05 noise complaint occurs after the trip to search for JHS in your construct. Josh's version is that they had a few shots when they entered the cabin the first time(3:30-3:45), so that would be when the "drinking game" noises would be heard. According to Josh, when the group returned around 4:00 AM, he visited the WC while the "Russians" quietly put GS in the bed (remember the cheek kissing, etc) and left. This, however, is when Clete reports hearing the party noise. On the Greta interview, Clete states that he knocked on the wall at the same time he called security, which is at 4:05. It was a little less noisy (never quiet) for a few minutes, then the argument on the balcony, the calmer voice saying "good night, good night", and Clete opening his door to see 3 men leaving @ 4:15-4:20.

 

I just watched Clete Hyman on Greta again and picked up on something that I had missed before. He states that AFTER making the noise complaint call at 4:05, the party does get less noisy, but continues. He does hear some voices in the hallway, POSSIBLY some entering and leaving from the room and the voices "faded rapidly" down the hall. Later in the interview, he says that he never heard a female voice inside the room, but MAY have heard a female voice in the hallway at that time. According to him, the room was never empty after 4:05 until the thud. The voices in the hallway and the "possible" entering/leaving would have been between 4:05 and 4:20. All of that happens BEFORE he sees the 3 men leave the room. This could be when our 4th man left. But…. Who was the female voice?

 

I think I recall hearing on Greta's report that when security responded to the noise complaint, it was around 4:25. They heard no noise in the cabin and did NOT knock.

 

The next time security arrived, around 4:47, looking for someone to assist JHS, they did knock and enter the cabin. This is when the Lawyers open their door and tell security that the room was being "trashed". They had already been in the room, so they give the "high sign". Clete clearly states on Greta the he never at any time spoke to anyone in the hallway, including security.

 

I have been considering that maybe they never did actually go up to the solarium to look for JHS. The security tapes would tell whether that part of the story is true or not. In any case, Josh’s account of a very quick and quiet visit to put GS to bed is pure hogwash.

[EBFURR]

Clete said he looked over on the Smiths balcony at around 7AM, the door/curtains provided a partial view, enough to provide him a look at the bed and sheets "looked slept in".

 

Security arrived at the Smiths 3 times * all after the "thud"* is heard by the Lawyers and the Hymans. 1st at 4:30AM, security knocked and get no reponse however the Lawyers open their door and speak to them (security) and they leave. 2nd at 4:48 AM. Security knocks, no reponse again, they open the door and see nothing amiss, Clete also opens his door and suggest they enter, which they don't, and leave. 3rd at 4:57AM. Security arrives with JHS in a wheelchair, enter the cabin and deposit her on the bed and leave. The timeline is factual, not guesses, confirmed by Security and the Hymans and the Lawyers.

 

Security would have noted securing the balcony door on either their second or third arrival when they did enter the Smiths cabin, correct? Plus cabin doors are difficult to close while the ship is moving because of the vaccume there would be too much whooosh (wind) to get into the cabin while the balcony door is open. The Hymans and the Lawyers hear NOTHING in the cabin or hallway or balcony at any time between the "thud" and the arrival of security staff the first, second or third time.

 

Now the Hymans and the Lawyers appearently have bionic hearing, because they can hear conversations, furniture (and what type) being moved and from what part of the cabin, doors opening, doors closing, and even soft voices with accents, but none of them hear anything after the thud except security arriving?

 

Question: So if someone else is there in the cabin when security arrives either the first, second, or third time, when and how did they leave?

 

Someone back me up here......

 

Fury, see my longer post above. After reviewing my Greta tapes, Clete Hyman never spoke to security in the hallway or asked them to enter the room. The only ones who did that were the Lawyers, and I believe that was on the 4:47 security visit. Again, I do not think security knocked on the first visit, which was in response to the noise complaint. I will find my source for this and post it. This is important, because the knocking by security would have alerted anyone inside the room that someone might enter with a pass key. I do not think the door was ever knocked on until security cam at 4:47.

[Fury1995]

I think I recall hearing on Greta's report that when security responded to the noise complaint, it was around 4:25. They heard no noise in the cabin and did NOT knock.

 

From Royal Caribbeans statement:

 

At 4:05 a.m. during the night, a guest in one of the cabins adjoining the Smiths' cabin called the Guest Relations desk and complained about loud voices and drinking game noises coming from the Smith cabin. Security went to the Smith cabin in response to that complaint, but the noise had already stopped, and there was no answer to our knocking. We now know from interviews of passengers conducted after Mr. Smith was found missing that the guest pounded on the wall at about the same time he called the Guest Relations desk and the noises stopped almost immediately. Since there was no noise when security arrived or any report or sign of violence or danger, security left believing all was well. We had no justification for invading a guest cabin on the basis of one simple partying noise complaint.

 

Then from Dateline on September 16th:

 

“A little after 4 o’clock in the morning, we were awakened by what I’d call loud cheering, something like a college drinking game,” says Hyman. “This happened two distinct times.”

The deputy chief was awakened by what he thought were at least six loud voices, at the exact same time that — as Josh’s lawyer told the story— George and his drinking buddies had returned from a fruitless search for Jennifer who’d gone missing.

Chief Hyman, a 31-year police veteran with a number of homicide investigations under his belt, reflexively noted the time, called the ship’s security office to complain about the noisy party underway and banged on the wall, to no avail.

 

Hyman: The voices continued. They weren’t as loud as they were during the drinking games. But then after a couple of minutes we heard voices outside the door of the Smith cabin. I don’t recall hearing the door open. I assumed they were leaving the party. But that was just my impression at the time.

 

Could it one of them leaving or arriving?

Then:

 

Hyman: Well, then I heard a voice just repeatedly say "goodnight" and my first assumption was that someone was trying to usher these people that were arguing out of the cabin. In fact, you could hear the progression through the cabin...

Now it was about 4:15 in the morning. Chief Hyman heard the adjacent cabin door open and voices receding in the hallway.

Hyman: So, I waited for a couple of seconds and then opened the door and looked out.

Murphy: What did you see?

Hyman: I saw three younger males walking down the hallway.

 

[qoute=EBFURR]The next time security arrived, around 4:47, looking for someone to assist JHS, they did knock and enter the cabin. This is when the Lawyers open their door and tell security that the room was being "trashed". They had already been in the room, so they give the "high sign". Clete clearly states on Greta the he never at any time spoke to anyone in the hallway, including security.

 

Right, thought I had read a statement that Clete also suggested security should enter the room. Thought I had heard of him complaing that he also directed security to enter and they didn't.

[Fury1995]

Didn't I also read somewhere that the Disco employee saw them on the elevator when the group went searching for JHS before 4AM? I think his statement was something about going back up to the disco to locka pantry. There he was on the elevator with GS and company. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[EBFURR]

Fury, it looks like it's you & me carrying this right now. My quotes from Clete come from his appearance on Greta from Jan 12, I think. He says he hears voices in the hall MAYBE someone entering/leaving, then the voices fade down the hall. This is after the 4:05 complaint, but before the "goodnights" and the 3 men leaving.

 

Are you ready for the shocker of the day??? I just found a post on another unsolved crimes discussion board claiming that there is a security record showing a swipe of JHS's seapass card at 4:15AM in the 9062 door. They do not cite a source, but this would fit exactly with Cletes report of hearing voices in the hall outside the room, one of them possibly being female.

 

Possible: JHS finds her way to the cabin, starts to enter. She is stopped at the door by someone inside, maybe Josh. "You do NOT want to go in there right now." he tells her. "George is really pi$$$d about the disco.". He escorts her away. But to where? Maybe he can't go into his room because of the parents. Maybe he asks her to wait in the hall for him to return, telling her he will get GS into HIS room for the night.

[Maryfrei]

I could envision the argument being over the food/room service. The younger crowd wants munchies, but GS has had enough for the night. So, goodnight, get out, they go to their own room and order the food. GS room gets quiet and then...

[EBFURR]

Didn't I also read somewhere that the Disco employee saw them on the elevator when the group went searching for JHS before 4AM? I think his statement was something about going back up to the disco to locka pantry. There he was on the elevator with GS and company. Correct me if I'm wrong.

 

That was from Inside Edition, I think. According to that report, several of the guys waited on the pool deck while GS went down the elevator ALONE with the employee & got off at deck 9. As the RCI employee went back up to lock the pantry, GS got back on with him and went back up to join the group on the pool deck. This version supports the theory that they never all entered GS room as a group and left again. It directly contradicts Josh's version.

[Barky]

Fury, it looks like it's you & me carrying this right now. My quotes from Clete come from his appearance on Greta from Jan 12, I think. He says he hears voices in the hall MAYBE someone entering/leaving, then the voices fade down the hall. This is after the 4:05 complaint, but before the "goodnights" and the 3 men leaving.

 

Are you ready for the shocker of the day??? I just found a post on another unsolved crimes discussion board claiming that there is a security record showing a swipe of JHS's seapass card at 4:15AM in the 9062 door. They do not cite a source, but this would fit exactly with Cletes report of hearing voices in the hall outside the room, one of them possibly being female.

 

Possible: JHS finds her way to the cabin, starts to enter. She is stopped at the door by someone inside, maybe Josh. "You do NOT want to go in there right now." he tells her. "George is really pi$$$d about the disco.". He escorts her away. But to where? Maybe he can't go into his room because of the parents. Maybe he asks her to wait in the hall for him to return, telling her he will get GS into HIS room for the night.

 

If we are reading the same board (bushy) I am convinced that that key swipe was purely supposition on the part of the poster. It is merely his theory of what he believes will come out once all the info. is released. At least that is how I read it.

[AFT_LOVER]

with her camerman in Lawyers cabin & over to Clete's cabin. Her & Capt Wright were slamming bathroom door, the cabinets, pushing chairs hard even the sofa which made no noise. The cameraman heard -0-. The Capt Wrght & Greta started screaming, yelling, chanting & again the camerman had to go out on the balcony to hear them. The Capt Wright with 2 fists is pounding on the walls - camerman & Greta heard -0-.

 

So all of Clete is BS, even his name is now BS. But the photo isn't Clete so is he really a cop? Nothing on the Net about him as the other cop Carona found, had.

 

 

 

From Royal Caribbeans statement:

 

At 4:05 a.m. during the night, a guest in one of the cabins adjoining the Smiths' cabin called the Guest Relations desk and complained about loud voices and drinking game noises coming from the Smith cabin. Security went to the Smith cabin in response to that complaint, but the noise had already stopped, and there was no answer to our knocking. We now know from interviews of passengers conducted after Mr. Smith was found missing that the guest pounded on the wall at about the same time he called the Guest Relations desk and the noises stopped almost immediately. Since there was no noise when security arrived or any report or sign of violence or danger, security left believing all was well. We had no justification for invading a guest cabin on the basis of one simple partying noise complaint.

 

Then from Dateline on September 16th:

 

“A little after 4 o’clock in the morning, we were awakened by what I’d call loud cheering, something like a college drinking game,” says Hyman. “This happened two distinct times.”

The deputy chief was awakened by what he thought were at least six loud voices, at the exact same time that — as Josh’s lawyer told the story— George and his drinking buddies had returned from a fruitless search for Jennifer who’d gone missing.

Chief Hyman, a 31-year police veteran with a number of homicide investigations under his belt, reflexively noted the time, called the ship’s security office to complain about the noisy party underway and banged on the wall, to no avail.

 

<B>Hyman: The voices continued. They weren’t as loud as they were during the drinking games. But then after a couple of minutes we heard voices outside the door of the Smith cabin. I don’t recall hearing the door open. I assumed they were leaving the party. But that was just my impression at the time.

 

Could it one of them leaving or arriving?

 

Then:

 

Hyman: Well, then I heard a voice just repeatedly say "goodnight" and my first assumption was that someone was trying to usher these people that were arguing out of the cabin. In fact, you could hear the progression through the cabin...

 

Now it was about 4:15 in the morning. Chief Hyman heard the adjacent cabin door open and voices receding in the hallway.

Hyman: So, I waited for a couple of seconds and then opened the door and looked out.

Murphy: What did you see?

Hyman: I saw three younger males walking down the hallway.

 

</B>

 

[qoute=EBFURR]The next time security arrived, around 4:47, looking for someone to assist JHS, they did knock and enter the cabin. This is when the Lawyers open their door and tell security that the room was being "trashed". They had already been in the room, so they give the "high sign". Clete clearly states on Greta the he never at any time spoke to anyone in the hallway, including security.

 

Right, thought I had read a statement that Clete also suggested security should enter the room. Thought I had heard of him complaing that he also directed security to enter and they didn't.

[AFT_LOVER]

OOPS - That is PER GRETA WITH CAPT WRIGHT........

 

Greta asks him "if you were being pushed down 22 feet would you not scream, make some noise like AH AW AKKKK"........... he stated nothing was heard by any passenger per the interviews by security staff, FBI, Turks.

 

And now we have this, I say Bull!

 

Fury - In the article you referenced, we have voices in a foreign language on the balcony and a woman's scream. I didn't see this "information" before - heard about a scream, but not by sex, maybe I missed it, but I would think it would have shown up before. Nancy

[spcl4cs_gal]

If we are reading the same board (bushy) I am convinced that that key swipe was purely supposition on the part of the poster. It is merely his theory of what he believes will come out once all the info. is released. At least that is how I read it.

 

If Josh insisted that JHS not enter the cabin when she supposedly swiped her SeaPass at 4:15am then you might have to eliminate her as being the source of the "scream" heard. I find it difficult to believe that she was in the cabin at the time GS met his demise unless she stumbled out of the cabin just after it happened and passed out in another area of the ship in the space of say 10 minutes.

 

On the other hand, IF she was in the cabin and saw what had happened, I don't think she would have left the cabin quietly. Watching her "meal ticket" going over the side would have her a bit rattled no?

[spcl4cs_gal]

OOPS - That is PER GRETA WITH CAPT WRIGHT........

 

Greta asks him "if you were being pushed down 22 feet would you not scream, make some noise like AH AW AKKKK"........... he stated nothing was heard by any passenger per the interviews by security staff, FBI, Turks.

 

And now we have this, I say Bull!

 

When first hearing about the scream it might be natural to think it was JHS but I still find it hard to believe that she was actually in the room. Who is to say that a man as drunk as GS supposedly was could not scream in a high pitched tone when falling to his death. And, was the scream when he fell onto the awning or was it when he was falling into the sea?

[AFT_LOVER]

If you are reading this, please post again since the original is history as of 2 weeks ago when CC killed a 1300 post thread on THE MISSING HONEYMOONER. But we had a CC onboard, he was holding up Jen in the casino as well as her walking over to him in the disco. He named Lloyd and called him the BJ Manager, then that he was a Manager-In-Training. She was no trying to pick him up, just getting leverage from him. SHE WAS WASTED! He witnessed the extremely loud HUSSY comment & her racing over to George to drop kick him the way a punt is done. He felt it himself. Both George & Jen were glassy eyed & George has a nasty look on his face. He was offered a shot by Jen but said no. Then after her kick she is out the door with Lloyd behind her.

 

Guess there were other CC on this cruise, and a few dropped comments on them from start of cruise to tours where they were drunk on them too.

 

The FBI guy VanZandt stated about the receipts in the safe on the dresser, etc that were categorized showed that George bought the Absinthe in Greece. So how did they get on onboard???? We see 3 other bottles on the shelf in photo #1 with the cowboy hat on them & #3 after their stuff is cleaned out, but the bottles stayed. The old dailies on the floor with receipts look like someone opened the door with the balcony door opened, even slightly & you get the big wind........

 

 

Not to nit-pick, but has anyone found anything to confirm JHS was drinking absinthe with the guys in the disco? I'm guessing no statements back this up. She is reported to be flirting with the casino manager - not with the guys, leaning on another passenger - not with the guys, sitting on a couch with the casino manager - not with the guys. When does she partake of the only bottle of absinthe produced by any witness statements? The guys (GS, Josh, and the 3 Russians) were sitting together, obviously ignoring JHS enough for her to be "all over" other men until GS finally notices and calls her a name. When did she drink the absinthe? Then they argue and she kicks him and leaves. I still don't see at what point she was drinking absinthe or anything else "with" the her husband or Josh or the Russians if she is " all over", "draped", "leaning on", "sitting with" other people.

 

Someone help here with a statement or link if you got it.

[FinelyCruising]

The pressure to open the cabin door when the balcony door is open is amazing.

[Barky]

If you are reading this, please post again since the original is history as of 2 weeks ago when CC killed a 1300 post thread on THE MISSING HONEYMOONER. But we had a CC onboard, he was holding up Jen in the casino as well as her walking over to him in the disco. He named Lloyd and called him the BJ Manager, then that he was a Manager-In-Training. She was no trying to pick him up, just getting leverage from him. SHE WAS WASTED! He witnessed the extremely loud HUSSY comment & her racing over to George to drop kick him the way a punt is done. He felt it himself. Both George & Jen were glassy eyed & George has a nasty look on his face. He was offered a shot by Jen but said no. Then after her kick she is out the door with Lloyd behind her.

 

Guess there were other CC on this cruise, and a few dropped comments on them from start of cruise to tours where they were drunk on them too.

 

The FBI guy VanZandt stated about the receipts in the safe on the dresser, etc that were categorized showed that George bought the Absinthe in Greece. So how did they get on onboard???? We see 3 other bottles on the shelf in photo #1 with the cowboy hat on them & #3 after their stuff is cleaned out, but the bottles stayed. The old dailies on the floor with receipts look like someone opened the door with the balcony door opened, even slightly & you get the big wind........

 

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=1480389

[wolfganghowell]

Yowza!!!!!!!!!

 

Can you imagine how LONG our dinner would be if we were all discussing this onboard a cruise together? They would be dismantling the midnight buffet and we would still be crimesolving (or accident solving - who knows?)

 

Yes it is important to remember that human error works on eyewitnesses. The evidence often contradicts an eyewitness. Thus all the confusion on the stories and the timelines.

 

Thanks to the poster who said exactly what I told Mr Wolf last night. Many times law enforcement will tell someone they are cleared and then just watch them hang themselves. I'm not at all convinced JHS caused GS death but I am troubled by her behavior. Who goes to a spa appt 90 minutes early in the same clothes from the night before without using the tiny bathroom where she would be sure to see any blood evidence there? This is an educated, middle class to upper middle class woman. Let's assume she had the basic hygiene and manners to use the toilet and brush her teeth. It doesn't make sense.

 

That is what has made this case such tabloid fodder - so much of it does not make sense. The despicable behavior after the fact of the young men, the couples behavior toward one another, Josh's inconsistencies.

 

Wait - there I go drinking that powdered drink mix again - the only part of this saga that makes sense is the documented time line of the cruise line which can be verified by facts that cannot be tampered with.

 

Someone is going to write a book on this - I can just see it now. I only hope it is done right. The only media coverage I'm satisfied with these days is Greta.

[ILoveScotland]

Someone is going to write a book on this - I can just see it now. I only hope it is done right. The only media coverage I'm satisfied with these days is Greta.

 

I watched Oprah interview James Frey the other day about his memoir, and I have to say that I wish she had been as direct with JHS when she was on Oprah. Because whether it's hygiene or something else, JSH's behavior is simply very strange. I don't really know what part she either did or did not play in GS going overboard. I just think JHS' behavior doesn't make any sense and wish Oprah had been more direct--or that someone would be.

[berwyn]

I watched Oprah interview James Frey the other day about his memoir, and I have to say that I wish she had been as direct with JHS when she was on Oprah. Because whether it's hygiene or something else, JSH's behavior is simply very strange. I don't really know what part she either did or did not play in GS going overboard. I just think JHS' behavior doesn't make any sense and wish Oprah had been more direct--or that someone would be.

 

I agree.Just posted this to a thread titled royal caribbean covers.

Is it just me but i haven't seen jhs on any shows since the oprah interview with gayle.Could it be she got bad press after that circus?

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[Fury1995]

OOPS - That is PER GRETA WITH CAPT WRIGHT........

 

Greta asks him "if you were being pushed down 22 feet would you not scream, make some noise like AH AW AKKKK"........... he stated nothing was heard by any passenger per the interviews by security staff, FBI, Turks.

 

And now we have this, I say Bull!

 

I agree, he either had been unconcious (and fell off the railing), or have simply gone over intentionally not making sound. He was not himself as his DW and family commented. All witness accounts describe GS as someone they don't know or "that's just not George".

 

I have to say the evidence being presented (grant you by the media) and any statements (again just from the media) seem to point towards GS alone in the cabin at the time of the "thud". I keep going back to the statements by the Lawyers and Clete, with their bionic hearing, hear EVERYTHING up until the "thud" then nothing.

 

If the media truly believe and are convinced by any evidence or statements that he was murdered..... why have they been so concentrated on the what the cruiseline did or didn't do or the "cover up" issues or family reactions?

[graycliff]

I am just now catching up on my Oprah shows. First let me say that I do not think RCCL covered up anything. The wife Jennifer is sitting on Oprah's coach complaning that RCCL did not pay for her ticket home and sent her a bill for the room. Okay. You know I think this one should have benn covered by her trip insurance. Jennifer felt that RCCL should have refunded her money. Her husband is dead and she is chewing out the president of RCCL because they did not refund her money? Hello your husband is dead. Next do you really think that I would be on my honeymoon and my husband that I have not seen since 10:00 PM is not in the room when my sorry drunk behind shows up at 4:30 AM in the morning and he is not there that I would not be trying to figure where he is. No I guess not because Jennifer get's up and goes for a massage because she think's he slept in someone else's room. Whatever. ( Most of us would have been looking for our husband to kiss and makeup around Midnight.) Do you all really think that your traveling companion could go missing and you have to be told that the crew is looking for them. No I would have raised the flag on that one. No one would have to tell me that he is missing. I would have told them. And then she said no Oprah I have never been so drunk that I don't remember what happend. Someone must have drugged me. Give me a break. No wonder poor George's parents are so upset with her. Why do we feel that RCCL is somehow at fault. We should be just as responsible for our personal safety when we are on vacation as we are walking around downtown. Jennifer stated that RCCL should have kept the boat in Turkey and everyone on board should be interviewed and they should have waited for the FBI. Does the FBI have jurisdiction in Turkey on ship that is registered in the Bahamas? Let me say this I know many may not agree with my statements but I grew up in the Bahamas and yes it is a touristy place. But in all my years living there it has always amazed me how people act when they are on vacation. I have always attributed it to the fact that people throw there inhibitions to the wind when they are around peple that they will never see again. They do things that they would not normally do. I have seen people sleep in rooms with complete strangers and get so druck that they pass out. If George's legacy is nothing else but this. Take Care of yourself wherever you are. Your personal safety is your repsonsibility.

[SomeBeach]

I watched Oprah interview James Frey the other day about his memoir, and I have to say that I wish she had been as direct with JHS when she was on Oprah. Because whether it's hygiene or something else, JSH's behavior is simply very strange. I don't really know what part she either did or did not play in GS going overboard. I just think JHS' behavior doesn't make any sense and wish Oprah had been more direct--or that someone would be.

 

I've said this before and I'll say it again. I do NOT believe Oprah had a lot of knowledge about this subject. From everything I saw, this was not the way O usually does a show. Gayle King wanted this show and I think O let her best friend have a go at it.

I think Gayle conducted her interview wanting to believe JHS. I don't think she did any research with RCI, either reading what RCI released or speaking to someone.

When the Pres of RCI started speaking, Gayle just kept saying "I believe her" to O. A few looks on O's face made me feel that O wasn't buying into JHS's story. Who would? You've got a man sitting there, you claim his company is covering up what happened to your husband and all you are saying is you didn't like how they treated you, your company didn't do this for ME or that for ME. That's where O looked confused.

Just read that link a few posts back. JHS say FBI cleared her; FBI said she is co-operating in the investigation. Cleared and co-operating are 2 different things. And how much can you really co-operate when you say you don't remember anything?

She also says she would have never kicked her husband yet several people claim she did just that. If you can't remember, how can you say with such conviction that you didn't do that?

The only way she can relieve herself of guilt is to blame RCI and that's just what she's doing.

Hi Fury!! ;)

[ts01854]

rci is guilty of a cover up at the minimum.

 

I find it great that they finally have to pay the piper for thier misdeeds

 

You simply cannot treat people as cargo when somebody goes missing to meet a deadline.

 

I would say most people would not mind being delayed if a person was killed during thier cruise. I say most people not all, I know most of the posters to this thread would probably complain.

 

btw it's just not RCI but all cruiselines "The gig is up, it's time to be held accountable for your actions when a crime is commited on board"

 

 

And for all the people killing Oprah, I thought her show was great and if RCI was not guilty why was the president kissing up to jen and apologizing ? Hum? HUH?

[FinelyCruising]

oh boy...

[1corona4u]

oh boy...

 

Yeah, I know.......What I don't understand is why someone who clearly, has no connection with this specific cruiseline, continues to come to this board and badger all who post here. It's one thing to add something intelligent to the conversation, but it's another to post here specifically to stir the pot.

 

I think I hear NCL calling.........:rolleyes: