Royal Caribbean Fights Back!

[FinelyCruising]

Forget the radar...if the tapes don't show a waterline to lowest rail scan, then we have some big worries....

[Barky]

Unless I watched the wrong station there was nothing, nada, nil on George Smith tonight. The Entwistle case and Michael Jackson took up most of the whole show. Bah.

[kenf333]

Hey Pirate, the lawyer dude said specifically that he could prove that Rusty and his 3 amigos were in Rusty's cabin by 4:00AM. He did not say how. He was also very specific about the room service arriving at exactly 4:20 AM. I am not sure why he would be so specific. It seems like maybe he would leave a little wiggle room as you suggest. These guys may not be responsible, but they sure don't sound too credible. I am willing to accept that it was an accident, but all of these conflicting stories just keep everything in doubt. I agree that the FBI probably has info from security records and I am thinking that it conflicts with at least some of this story. Otherwise, they probably would not be leaning on the "gang of 4" so hard. I guess we just stay tuned....

 

Sorry but RCCL'S story is different, and they have all the information.

[stanford's girl]

 

The "Russians" were thrown off the ship when it docked in Naples three days later. The captain was angered that the three had videotaped themselves having simultaneous sex with a woman.

 

"They were looking for fun and they all got together and had sex with a girl — how many times does that not happen?" the lawyer said.

 

Are you kidding me???:eek: If Rusty's lawyer said that statement, he needs to get himself new lawyer and quick!!

[stanford's girl]

I can set the clock on my camera for whatever time I want.

I was thinking the exact same thing when he talked about the pics on Greta last night.

[canucks4]

It looks to that the three amigos..err four amigos took photos of everything that they did in their room. At least that part of their story is consistent. Hope the FBI got that camera...probably has photos of DH falling over.

 

Really, haven't we all come back with photo's of food! These guys probably found the food the best part of the cruise...now that I think about it, that is how I normally feel. :D

 

It's not that the food is the best part, it's the fact that it's cooked, served and cleared that makes it taste better!!!

[MszKitty]

I understand taking pictures of the midnight buffet food (I'm sure we've all done that a time or two). But pictures of room service food? That is just odd.

[lilbit]

I don't see the Smith transcript on Nancy Grace nor anything for days on Greta, Rita, etc. Anyone have any new transcripts, posts?

[AFT_LOVER]

Just 28 minutes of Entwistle, 21 for Michael Jackson & his 2/14 civil trial for molesting a kid & that he is now in Germany & his ex wife wants her kids back.

 

I just saw a promo for Nancy Grace tonight and she said something about a possible person of interest in the case. I guess I'll be watching her tonight.

 

Lisa

[AFT_LOVER]

That you quote me, but not the whole part of the quote you chose:

 

[The "Russians" were thrown off the ship when it docked in Naples three days later. The captain was angered that the three had videotaped themselves having simultaneous sex with a woman. Kofman's lawyer says that Kofman is a "scapegoat" -- though "anti-Semitism" has not yet been mentioned. "They were looking for fun and they all got together and had sex with a girl — how many times does that not happen?" the lawyer said.

 

I am still looking for the mention of Rusty being questioned for over 8 hours without food or water...............and that was before an attorney!

 

 

quote=stanford's girl]Are you kidding me???:eek: If Rusty's lawyer said that statement, he needs to get himself new lawyer and quick!!

 

[Barefoot_Pirate]

Why do these young folks remind me of Golding's "Lord of the Flies"....

 

If you ain't read it in a while, ya might want to...great story about young men's behavior...somewhat confirmed by studies of group behavior I believe.

 

Now Golding explains why there is no adult supervision in his novel, but I have yet to hear where the parents were for the amigo's in the Smith case.... I thought RCCL had rules about an adult being required...but is it in the room or just in the party??

[stanford's girl]

That you quote me, but not the whole part of the quote you chose:

 

[The "Russians" were thrown off the ship when it docked in Naples three days later. The captain was angered that the three had videotaped themselves having simultaneous sex with a woman. Kofman's lawyer says that Kofman is a "scapegoat" -- though "anti-Semitism" has not yet been mentioned. "They were looking for fun and they all got together and had sex with a girl — how many times does that not happen?" the lawyer said.

 

I am still looking for the mention of Rusty being questioned for over 8 hours without food or water...............and that was before an attorney!

 

 

quote=stanford's girl]Are you kidding me???:eek: If Rusty's lawyer said that statement, he needs to get himself new lawyer and quick!!

 

Sorry MACOP.:) I left the scapegoat part out because I was so floored that his attorney thinks that having group sex is the norm.

[AFT_LOVER]

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[Barky]

I tired 7 times to post it but you will have to visit it to read about their view on Jen. EYES FOR LIES- THE HUMAN LIE DETECTOR. CC keeps telling me they are UNAVAILABLE.

 

Their articles feature Barbra Streisand, The Dog Whisperer, Travel Channels Real Estate folks selling vacation homes and others.

 

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Link doesn't work.

[AFT_LOVER]

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Link doesn't work.

[Maryfrei]

Eyesforlies.blogspot.com

 

 

Jennifer Hagel Smith was on Oprah yesterday. Did you get a chance to see her speak?

 

Jennifer gave me the chills on several occasions. She unnerved me and made me uncomfortable. I do not trust what she is saying to be the truth. I have no doubt about it, Jennifer Hagel Smith, in my personal opinion is withholding information. She knows more than she is letting on.

 

What information? Of course, I do not know. I am not a psychic. But I am certain she is not saying what she knows to be true.

 

Here are parts of the interview and moments that give me big pause and concern:

 

1. Jennifer says she doesn't remember anything about that night. Yet when asked if she remembers her last interaction with George, she says this: " I do not remember the last...you know...words or time we saw each other. I remember vaguely leaving the casino and going to this revolving bar or something like that. I was around George and then I don't remember nothing."

 

Jennifer has selective memory. I find her pause weird "last...you know...words...". I do not believe this is a truthful answer.

 

2. Jennifer's responses are not what you typically would get from a person in her circumstances. And they don't seem normal for her, either. When Oprah says, "Your not the grieving bride." Jennifer says, "From day one this....has been...like shocking. As soon as I heard this news...I spend a day in Turkey...flying home to my family...by myself...on the plane...without George."

 

Does that answer make sense? Of course not. She isn't grieving. She is feeling sorry for herself, not George.

 

3. Jennifer was asked if she thought George was murdered. She says, "I think something happened to him. Yes (and she has an odd smirk on her face -- a micro-expression). George doesn't run into walls. He's very athletic."

 

Is that a logical answer? It's not. She should show emotion, an out pouring of concern, affection. She should be questioning things, wanting answers, begging for answers. But she doesn't. Perhaps she knows them?? That is how a person would respond who knows the answer.

 

4. Jennifer really enjoyed her conversation with the cruise director. She smiled outright several times talking about all the wrongs done to her by the cruise. She was very focused on herself. But most interesting is what Jennifer says was the most hurtful in all of this. Read for yourself. Jennifer says,

 

"For example, I got home and then a week later I'm paying George's bills now and I get a bill from Royal Caribbean, a week after the cruise ends. Like our room bill."

 

She goes on..."Take care, take the time. We are people."

 

"That has been the most hurtful part through all of this."

 

The most hurtful part was getting the bill? What about George??? More than that, notice she is paying George's bills. They aren't hers. This is very odd. It shows separation in her mind, not a unity, a loving-memory of a unity. Most people when faced with a death cling to the unity, the specialness, the bond. You claim what you have left from the other person no matter how silly or trivial it is. Jennifer doesn't. She divides herself from him -- one week after he goes missing. For most people, even the discussion of being separated or having separate things, is too difficult.

 

5. When Jennifer was asked if it is true as others are saying that she and George had a fight that night, she replies, "I'm not saying one way or another." Why didn't she say that she can't remember???

 

6. Gayle, Oprah's friend asks Jennifer once they find blood in the room "Jennifer, you hear that and think what?"

 

Jennifer says, "That was it. Your life is over. That's it."

 

I ask "Whose life is over? Jennifers? Was she thinking about herself? A normal response would have been devastation, concern about foul play, murder, etc. Jennifer didn't have that. This is a very peculiar answer. Not what normal people would say.

 

7. Jennifer tells the cruise executive she is mad that she has to pay for her flight home, that her dad had to wire her money so she could pay for things. Is this what a widow worries about? Didn't she worry at all about George? Who would care about the money at time like this?? Jennifer cares.

 

8. Further she says to the cruise executive, "Just to clear something up...it adds insult to injury every time people say that this is what we gave you. We did this...like someone said...we gave you magazines, we gave you CDs. Who? To me, it was kind of callous when I had heard that. My father was promised I'd be taken off the ship by two security officers...uhm...you know...he was...We were out of our minds and its unfair for people. That was a moment in time for us, that we will, that changed our life forever. So when people judge that moment and what we felt like. Yes, we were abandoned in many ways."

 

Jennifer talks the most logical during her whole interview in the beginning of this paragraph above. She was telling the truth, and her words flowed. Most of her interview with Oprah is full of stuttering, hesitations, word-searching except when Jennifer talked about the wrongs against her. People word-search, studder, hesitate when they make up a story. When they are truthful, the story flows quickly, logically and sensibly.

 

9. Jennifer wanted an apology from the cruise executive and he finally gives it to her, and she said this isn't about me, it's about George. She grins when she says it. It's erie!!!! I get the feeling that Jennifer loves being in the lime light.

 

10. Jennifer at one point says, "George and I became these sensational, like, blips...like nobody." This is extremely erie. Did she want more attention??

 

11. Jennifer says "Everyone wants more from me, I want more from me." Huh? You only want more from yourself when you have more to give. Most wives would be saying they are doing all they can, could and will do to help figure this out -- out of respect for their husband. Not Jennifer.

 

Hopefully, in time, the truth will come out. I am confident that Jennifer knows more than she is letting on. She knows a lot more...

[Maryfrei]

MACOP, interesting read, got it to post with a quick reply!

[Barky]

Try: http://eyesforlies.blogspot.com/

 

That one works, thanks. I found it via google. Some very interesting suppositions over there in the comments section.

[berwyn]

I tired 7 times to post it but you will have to visit it to read about their view on Jen. EYES FOR LIES- THE HUMAN LIE DETECTOR. CC keeps telling me they are UNAVAILABLE.

 

Their articles feature Barbra Streisand, The Dog Whisperer, Travel Channels Real Estate folks selling vacation homes and others.

 

Visit: http://eyesforlies.blogspot.com/

 

Thats a great read. Thanks for the link.

[stanford's girl]

Try: http://eyesforlies.blogspot.com/

Very interesting site. Thanks for the link. :)

[AFT_LOVER]

as Bush & his speech preempted everyone else as they stated.... other than Ambrams at 4PM and that was England & attorneys talking about the sicko.

 

I don't see the Smith transcript on Nancy Grace nor anything for days on Greta, Rita, etc. Anyone have any new transcripts, posts?

[berwyn]

as Bush & his speech preempted everyone else as they stated.... other than Ambrams at 4PM and that was England & attorneys talking about the sicko.

 

Will nancy grace have her report tonoght?

[lilbit]

Is anyone else unable to open Greta's transcrip about George from last nite or the nite before?

[canucks4]

... I thought RCCL had rules about an adult being required...but is it in the room or just in the party??

 

I thought much the same thing. What happened to the no adults under 21 allowed in rooms without adult supervision. The parents just might be named in any civil law suit as well for knowingly ignoring RCI's regulations and enabling their children to get into all sorts of trouble.

[rcicruiser]

Someone 25 or older must be in the cabin, however you can switch cabins when you get on board. So when they where booked an adult would have been in each cabin. But then the adults may have stayed in one cabin and put the young adults in another cabin. The adult is still responsible.

 

No matter what happened Jennifer and George where partially responsible for what happened with their actions. I can not see why George Smith's family can not see that. I do not believe it is grief.

 

They still blame the cruiseline for a coverup because they believe people who do not even know what cabin they where in. They believe all this people who claim to be experts. I was just wonder why also why the cop who was staying in the next cabin has not been seen on any interview show. Why haven't the Smith's had him on with them. Could it be because he said he heard noises coming from the cabin like drinking games.