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Does anyone have information for Joy designated smoking areas?

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1IwhHuxFGVf8GRxIe1V30Bj0elmkPLRuQUxOpmI8LiFE/edit?usp=sharing

On 3/21/2019 at 9:08 PM, funtocruiselm said:

The spreadsheet is great!  I also wish cruise lines would post the exact areas for smokers and non-smokers.  As a smoker I enjoy a comfortable place to relax just like non-smokers.  There should be an indoor smoking room for when the weather is bad and not just the casino.  I hope the cruise lines read these boards.

Carnival does have smoking areas and regularly updated policy listed on their website.  I think it is just laziness (or deception? 🤔) in communicating to guests on NCL. 

12 hours ago, crusincouple8 said:

Update for the Star, just off her on 3/9/19.  Only smoking areas are port side deck 7, Sky High Bar starboard side, and in the casino.  Smoking was not allowed in H2O or on the pool deck at all.

 

Thank you for the updated information . . . very much appreciated!!

I have updated information on the Star:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1IwhHuxFGVf8GRxIe1V30Bj0elmkPLRuQUxOpmI8LiFE/edit?usp=sharing

On 3/12/2019 at 12:45 AM, jkloni said:

Thank you for this spreadsheet. My husband vapes and we were on Breakaway last week.  As said earlier, waterfront was non smoking. 

Spice H20, Box on Deck 15 by pool and casino while gambling- which we didn’t do.  Humidor cig and vape users were told to leave. 

 

If if this keeps up, he’ll refuse to get on a ship.

Thank you for this information! I have adjusted the information on the Humidor for the Breakaway:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1IwhHuxFGVf8GRxIe1V30Bj0elmkPLRuQUxOpmI8LiFE/edit?usp=sharing

On 3/11/2019 at 2:51 PM, gotscrapz said:

Thank you so much! Nonsmoker here with severe asthma.

On 3/11/2019 at 3:02 PM, Sand and Seas said:

Yes, this is a most helpful thread for both smokers and non-smokers. 

Much thanks to my3sonsnj for keeping this updated for all. 

             (from another mother of 3 sons )

So happy that both smokers and non-smokers are finding the spreadsheet helpful!!! 👍👍

Excluding those that are just intolerant of different lifestyles or expect others to conform to their needs, I think most of us just need information and transparency to set expectations and make decisions.

2 hours ago, vince_g said:

The big piece is for you to figure out which reward you are going to use.  Really don't need to worry so much about booking the exact category you are going to upgrade from.  Last double meta upgrade I did, I wanted to end up with a BC balcony, but I had previously booked a IF inside.  When I called to do the upgrade, the agent told me a cat IF would get us into a cat BD.  When I told her I wanted cat BC, she told me I would need an ID inside to get into a BC.  She told me it would be an extra $20 per person to upgrade us from the cat IF to cat ID.  So she did a regular cash upgrade first, and then she did the point upgrade to get us the cat BC balcony.

I think it is more important to know the exact category if you are working with a travel agent.

My experience . . . knowing that I wanted to be in a B1 using 10,000 points, I had booked a B2 on my travel agents advice because the B2 & B3 were the same price at the time. When I called the Worldpoints desk, they told me I had to go back to the travel agent to change my reservation to a B3 before they could help me. Apparently upgrading from a B2 couldn't be done nor can the Worldpoints desk make any changes to a reservation from a travel agent.

So yes, in my case, I need to know the exact category to book because travel agents don't have inside information on the Worldpoints program. Unless of course, I want to create additional work & wasted time on the phone for myself and my travel agent.

7 hours ago, Two Wheels Only said:

 

1. The ship's dailies will state the current policy. Having a printed copy of an outdated policy won't matter.

 

2. A smoking policy can change from one week to the next. Someone (a smoker, TracyE) was on a B2B (Escape) and a place that allowed smoking on the first half didn't allow smoking on the second half.....

 

There is no smoking at all outside on the Waterfront. On the Escape T/A, smoking was allowed outside at the 5 O' Clock Somewhere Bar. The following week (Nov. 14th) for the inaugural cruise from Miami, smoking was prohibited there

 

...NCL's ship, NCL's rules.

 

 

Actually, a policy is not subject to weekly change. It is subject to an adoption procedure...just speaking as someone that was on a policy committee for 15 years and chaired the committee for 4 years.

Just wanted everyone to see NCL's published policy as of today (3/11/19) which you can print and take on your cruise for clarification. I would be interested to know how ship personnel are responding on the Getaway, Breakaway and other ships with a Waterfront area given the reported discrepancies between policy and practice.

https://www.ncl.com/faq/guest-conduct-policy

SMOKING
As the health and well-being of our guests and crew is of the utmost importance, Norwegian Cruise Line will institute changes to its smoking policy for all sailings on or after November 1, 2014. The specific changes prohibit smoking on stateroom balconies and limit smoking in the casino to players. On Norwegian Getaway and Norwegian Breakaway, smoking on The Waterfront will be permitted on the starboard side, except by the outdoor dining areas. Public areas throughout all our ships are smoke-free. If you smoke regular or electronic cigarettes, you can do so in designated areas only. For more information on our smoking policy please click here.

https://www.ncl.com/cruise-faq/smoking

As the health and well-being of our guests and crew is of the utmost importance, Norwegian Cruise Line will institute changes to its smoking policy for all sailings on or after November 1, 2014. The specific changes prohibit smoking on stateroom balconies and limit smoking in the casino to players. On Norwegian Getaway and Norwegian Breakaway, smoking on The Waterfront will be permitted on the starboard side, except by the outdoor dining areas.

Guests in the Garden Villas may smoke in their private garden and on their private sun decks.

Public areas throughout all our ships are smoke-free. If you smoke regular or electronic cigarettes, you can do so in designated areas only. If you prefer pipes or cigars, you can smoke in the Cigar Bar or designated smoking lounge. Smoking cigarettes, electronic cigarettes, cigars and pipes is permitted in outdoor public guest spaces and open decks where designated by the ship's management based on the ship's specific characteristics and arrangement. Smoking, including electronic cigarettes, is prohibited in or near venues serving food, the jogging track, outdoor sporting venues, The Haven outdoor areas and children's pool areas. On ships with The Waterfront, smoking is permitted on the starboard side excluding any food service areas. Active Casino players may smoke cigarettes in the Casino during gaming hours. Cigarette smoking is not permitted in any other indoor venue or location.

Guests are not permitted to smoke cigarettes, e-cigarettes, cigars or pipes in their staterooms or on their balconies. Cigar and pipe smoking in staterooms and on balconies is prohibited. Smoking inside your stateroom or on your balcony will result in a $250 USD cleaning charge added to your onboard account. If cigarette burns on furniture, linens, towels or carpeting are detected; guests will be advised and charged for the damages.

Electronic cigarettes cannot be used in public areas where there is a No Smoking policy in force; simply because these cigarettes look so realistic and therefore other guests' perception is that we are not enforcing the No Smoking rule.

17 hours ago, Tim April said:

Just off the Bliss Spice H2O very small space for smokers standing elbow to elbow very crowded less than 150 square feet. No smoking cigarettes in Humidor unless you buy cigar. Smoking in casino for players only (enforced)

Thank you for the update! Spreadsheet updated with this information. 

According to crowd-sourcing Bliss only has 1 unrestricted designated smoking area (H2O) with a ratio to smoking area of 600+/-  smokers. This should be a warning for anyone with significant issues with smoke to not enter H2O on the Bliss because the concentration of smokers in that area will be higher than most ships.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1IwhHuxFGVf8GRxIe1V30Bj0elmkPLRuQUxOpmI8LiFE/edit?usp=sharing

If you can do a private company, I would go for that option.

The NCL excursion (Rebel Yell, I think) really doesn’t give you enough time since they take an early group then go back for the later group. When they arrive on Jost Van Dyke with the late group, the early group has to leave. The early group is returned to the ship and then the late group is picked up. I think it only works out to about 2-3 hours on Jost Van Dyke, not much of a beach day.

You can check with Kuralu and Foxy along with Celtic.

Wondering if anyone has figured out the category to book if you want to do the:

https://www.ncl.com/world-points

to a B1 Aft Facing Balcony on the Encore.

I have done this on the Breakaway from a B3 to a B1

On the Bliss I had to book a B8 category to upgrade to a B1

However, when I called the Worldpoints number to ask which category to book on the Encore, the rep I spoke to couldn't tell me the answer. Apparently it is not available in the system yet??? 

I'm thinking the Encore may be a B8 (like the Bliss) ??

I am just wondering if anyone has successfully upgraded to a B1 yet on this new ship.

Also wondering if anyone has found a way to get to a B1 Aft Facing Balcony using any of the other rewards categories like:

or

Sorry, forgot to link to the revised spreadsheet 

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1IwhHuxFGVf8GRxIe1V30Bj0elmkPLRuQUxOpmI8LiFE/edit?usp=sharing

On 3/3/2019 at 9:39 AM, Relax@Sea said:

Just got off of the Jade and there is no more smoking on Deck 12 the pool deck anywhere, and no more smoking at the Pit Stop on deck 13. The Pit stop smoking area was moved to a little spot under the stairs that go to the 14th deck. Its on the Starboard side of deck 13 more forward of the pit stop bar.

Thanks so much for the update! I have made the changes to the spreadsheet!

On 2/19/2019 at 7:02 PM, samiam0403 said:

One note for Epic - the Humidor is for cigar smoking only. In December (and February), there are multiple signs on the doors and inside stating that cigarette smoking is not allowed there. Crew also frequently walked through and told folks. Great spreadsheet, by the way!

Thanks for the update! I have updated information for the Epic

On 2/19/2019 at 6:50 PM, Shorty6095 said:

Thank you so much for this spreadsheet!  Going on NCL Pearl in a couple weeks and your spreadsheet was the most helpful!  

Thank you! Glad you found it helpful 👍

On 2/15/2019 at 3:35 PM, graphicguy said:

I hope you're saying this in jest.

 

I have no dog in this hunt.  I'm not a smoker, but am willing to let bygones be bygones.  I don't agree with the zealots on either side of the situation here.  Don't blow smoke my way, and all's good.  I also don't believe the smokers out there should be made into some sort of pariahs, which seems to be the current social sport.

 

There are some very noxious people wearing tons of perfume, aftershave, cologne (or worse, BO).  They are more objectionable than smokers in my estimation.

 

Generally speaking, for informational purposes, it seems NCL is getting stricter and stricter on where folks can smoke.  I think this is a policy that reflects the steep downturn in the number of smokers in the general population.

 

Smoking on one's balcony has been prohibited for some time, now.  That should be a known fact.  I forget what the fee is, but if someone is reported smoking on their balcony or in their cabin, there's a pretty hefty amount you have to pay.  Probably wouldn't try that, either.

 

Anyone can take any cruise that they want.  I think what you're going to find is all of them are becoming much more restrictive in the areas someone can smoke. That's just reality.

 

 

 

 

Yes, I was speaking tongue in cheek!

However, I have been keeping a crowd sourced document (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1IwhHuxFGVf8GRxIe1V30Bj0elmkPLRuQUxOpmI8LiFE/edit?usp=sharing )  for all to locate designated smoking areas. This is an effort to help everyone either find or avoid these areas.

If you look at the second page of the document, it indicates how many people on a sold out cruise will be accommodated in the designated smoking areas, using the latest CDC data on the smoker population. If an area can accommodate 50 people but 200+/- are anticipated to use that area, that is not an accommodation and additionally it is safety concern. Just saying . . .

The additional problem is that if the designated smoking areas are not comfortable and conveniently located for use, there will be a percentage of smokers willing to accept a fine over inconvenience. Cruising is a vacation and everyone is expecting a comfortable environment.

All of these factors need to be considered in policy decisions if NCL wants guest compliance.

Looking for confirmation on designated smoking areas on the Sky to update my spreadsheet. Could you post information here: 

Link to thread that is the source of data for my spreadsheet: 

If anyone has updates and/or corrections, please advise and the spreadsheet will be updated!

Thanks!!!

This could even be grounds for a class action lawsuit. Any lawyers reading this?? 😉😉

On 8/19/2018 at 2:50 PM, BirdTravels said:

 

What is on the very out of date frequently asked questions is NOT policy.

 

What is posted on the ship IS policy.

As someone that participated and chaired a policy committee for over a decade, I would disagree with this statement.

If a company publicly publishes rules, that is their "policy & regulation".

If a company chooses not to review and update policy to eliminate conflicting statements, even after it has been brought to their attention, then they can't expect compliance.

Since the faq is linked to the Guest Conduct Policy https://www.ncl.com/faq/guest-conduct-policy NCL is giving tacit permission for non-compliance due to conflicting statements. Someone with deep pockets and a lawyer could sue NCL if they smoked in an area published on the website but not allowed on the ship and they would win that lawsuit.

NCL needs to get their act together, just saying . . .

19 hours ago, Greenpea2 said:

A friend recently back from the Bliss said there is still a smoking area on the Haven sun deck. Might be the smaller ships with less Haven space are giving it the axe. But so far it’s still ok on the Bliss. Apparently it is in an area and protected with plexiglass and does not bother non smokers.

5 hours ago, TracyE said:

Correct. On Bliss the sundeck wraps around deck 19 (unlike other ships of this class). There are two well-separated forward areas with lounge chairs -- one is smoking and one is non-smoking.

Thank you for clarifying, much appreciated!

I know both smokers and non-smokers are looking to my spreadsheet for help with identifying where these areas are located, so I do want it to be as accurate as I can get.

It is a shame that the cruise line can't/won't do this for guests!!! 🤑  https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1IwhHuxFGVf8GRxIe1V30Bj0elmkPLRuQUxOpmI8LiFE/edit?usp=sharing

I am wondering if there has been a fleetwide change to eliminate the designated smoking area in the Haven? I am sure some people are making that choice in order to have the convenience of a less crowded designated smoking area in close proximity to their stateroom and would like to have current information. 

Does anyone know?

Also, it is my understanding that the Vibe is now a non-smoking area fleetwide. Can anyone confirm or deny?

23 hours ago, Debde said:

Just came back from Jade and no smoking on the upper deck of the Haven. Closest spot to the Haven is the Pit stop bar.

22 hours ago, tumblew467 said:

the same  with the gem .. no smoking on the haven sun deck as well.

 

Thanks for the updates!

I have changed the spreadsheet accordingly:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1IwhHuxFGVf8GRxIe1V30Bj0elmkPLRuQUxOpmI8LiFE/edit?usp=sharing

42 minutes ago, Oceangal711 said:

My I ask why to Vivian Ewart.

Sr VP Passenger Services and it is my understanding that she has direct input on passenger policies. You could go higher than that I suppose and contact Frank Del Rio 😉

1 hour ago, OVgirl said:

Are you concerned about crowding in some areas of the ship?

Absolutely!