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I got the email regarding the actual schedule for the re-routing. It is ~30 sea days and 8-10 ports...many of which I have no desire to go to or have already been to. Not even slightly recognizable as the same initial itinerary that went to Asia and Middle East and many bucket list destinations. Not even ending at the same place Not stopping at even one single port in Asia or Middle East. I will be cancelling.

Thank you for answering my question. I was supposed to be on the 36-day leg/legs from Sydney to Rome through the Suez Canal. I am hoping they re-book us on the South Africa to either the Med or Dover if the route for 2025 is the same as 2024 rather than the 19-day Australia to South Africa that only stops a couple of places in Australia.

This is the Princess board. I am talking about the Princess world cruises. The original itinerary for *all* of the Princess world cruises go through the Suez Canal. I am on the summer 2025 Crown Princess sailing from Sydney.

It said that by the end of April they would let us know, but that they weren't going through the Suez Canal. Let me see if I can attach a copy here.

I got a letter re my summer 2025 w.c. being re-routed. We are on the segment that was supposed to go from Australia to Rome through the Suez Canal. For those of you who were booked on this segment for the 2024 cruise, did you get re-booked for the 19-day segment from Australia to South Africa or the 37-day segment from South Africa to London? I am hoping I get rebooked for the SA to London because I don't care about floating around in the Indian Ocean for 2+ weeks.

I was looking at the cruise when panorama leaves dry dock in Singapore and there don't appear to be any Havana rooms available for booking. I looked at it when it first came out and there weren't any either. I do not believe given the open availability otherwise of this cruise that the Havana rooms are all booked up. Are they not going to have the Havana rooms after dry dock?

Is there a way to pay for princess excursions with a princess gift card? On the website, it appears to only allow me to either pay with a credit card or paypal.

If this is still going on in summer 2025, we will be canceling. I am not flying from Texas to Sydney, Australia and spending all but 3 or 4 of our 36 days at sea.

It goes Sydney, Brisbane, Airlie Beach, Bali, Singapore, Phuket, Sri. Lanka, Salalah, Aqaba (Jordan), Suez Canal, Israel (obviously not going), Crete, Naples, and Rome. So do you think they would head down to the Africa after Sri Lanka? I am anxious to hear what the route will be as I am on this 36-day leg next year (2025). I am starting to wonder if I should plan an alternative trip. They have some nice ones on Oceania and Azamara that just stick to East Asia. I did Princess because of my kids and wanting to see the middle east, but that's more and more sounding like it will be out.

So, what ports are they skipping to make up for the extra time it is taking to sail around Africa?

Any updates? I guess Poesia is going around Africa.

Carnival has no claim against he OP or the original fraudster because they knew about the claim and sat on it and did nothing. Tolling of a statute of limitations would not enter into the scenario you are painting. Carnival knew about the charge back so the SOL would not be tolled. Tolling would have only come into play if Carnival had just found out about the fraud. For example, if someone buys a house with a defect that the prior owner purposefully covers up then the SOL would be "tolled" until the buyer discovered the hidden defect and THEN it would start to run. Carnival knew about this situation all along so none of their claims would be tolled. OP could bring a claim against them for holding on to his deposit because that is a new claim. The only place "tolling" would enter into the discussion is if OP wanted to pursue the original fraudster agent because OP knew absolutely nothing about the original fraud. Since he can't even find him, that's a non-issue. OP has a right to his deposit back because Carnival no longer has any claim against anyone regarding the money from 7 years ago. Not even thefraudfeasor. Even if the OP was the actual fraudfeasor, Carnival STILL couldn't keep his deposit for a different cruise at this point. Their claim from seven years ago doesn't exist anymore. At this point, I have to bow out of this discussion. I try to make it a point not to argue with non-lawyers about the law because I have already spent enough of my life arguing with lawyers about the law. OP: I wish you the best of luck. Get your ducks in a row with your paperwork (as much as you still have) and then create an outline or letter detailing the rest. (I personally would present it in a signed, sworn and notarized affidavit to show you are telling the truth. The IRS accepts this as proof so Carnival can as well.) Present it to guest care or one of John Heald's helpers and hopefully that will be enough to get you off the "no sail" list. At a minimum, it should at least get you your deposit back.

Also, I hate when someone is bamboozled by a fraudster and everyone blames the victim or says "Well, I wouldn't have used Zelle" or "this and that should have been a red flag." Come on. Most people don't go around living their lives like that. People who run these sorts of criminal enterprises set them up to fool even the most discerning customer. They have websites, store fronts, referrals, the proper business affiliations (usually fake), the proper licensing (also usually fake), the proper insurance papers (they pay for it than drop it), etc. How do you think Madoff and R. Allan Stanford bamboozled people out of billions? I worked on the civil side of the Stanford case and some of my clients were people who highly successful businesses worth tens of millions who were fooled by him. Yes, I know a travel agent isn't on his level but when someone comes as a referral and looks legitimate with a legit page, 98 percent of people wouldn't look further than that. Heck, it may even be that the business started out as a legitimate business and then that particular agent started doing this to make extra money. So, OP's friend could have had a good experience.

Neither of those matter in this situation unless OP wanted to sue the original bad actor. Then, yes, it may be that the SOL on his civil claims against the agent would have tolled because he was unaware of the fraud. But then you get into questions of whether the OP should have known, etc. For this amount of money, it is unlikely it would be worth a lawyer taking that on...especially when no one knows where the agent is. The statute of limitations that I am referring to is that Carnival could have pursued the OP for the fraudulent charge back. They didn't. That statute of limitations has undoubtedly run so, therefore, they cannot then take OP's money they paid for another service (a new cruise) and keep for themselves for a claim they never pursued. They sat on their rights and so they lost them. Their claim to that money and right to pursue OP for that money, has expired. They can exclude whomever they want from their ships but keeping money for an expired claim (which is effectively no claim at all) is not legal. The entire reason for running a statute of limitations is for this exact situation. If Carnival had original sued OP for the money, then OP could have sued the original bad actor and the situation hopefully resolved. Now, seven years later, he probably won't even be able to find him/her. DISCLAIMER: I am an attorney, but not an attorney for anyone on this page. Nothing I say should be considered legal advice.

Many legitimate businesses don't accept Amex. The reason is because it charges a significantly higher processing fee. Most businesses of the size of a travel agency having a credit card processing company that charges around 2.2 to 2.4 percent (some slight lower and some slightly higher) to process credit cards. Amex's fee is closer to 4 percent while Visa, MC, Discovery all charge lower fees. I would not personally take it as a red flag that a business didn't take Amex. Now if they didn't take ANY credit cards...that's a different story.

I would get together all of your info and possibly do a signed, notarized affidavit and submit your info to carnival guest care rather than messing around with calling them.

Yes, I agree. Or prove to CCL's satisfaction that he wasn't the fraudfeasor. But if he gets his entire deposit back for all the rooms, he can theoretically book another cruise on another line.

I understand that, but OP said they are holding on to his deposit and refusing to give it back to him on the canceled cruise. Carnival has no right to do that because any claim CCL could have brought against him for the charge back would be outside of the SOL. So, they can cancel his cruise but they need to give him his money back for the cruise they are canceling. If your claim for fraud is outside of the SOL it is NO CLAIM AT ALL. So, CCL may have been out money years ago but by not asserting their rights and pursuing their claim they lost any right to pursue him for that money or hold on to his money he paid for a different deposit on a cruise. One reason statutes of limitation are put in place is to prevent this EXACT sort of situation where so much time has passed that no one can now get documents or evidence or track down the real offending party.

CCL is refusing to REFUND his deposit after canceling his cruise. Hence, they are holding on to his REFUND. If the SOL has passed on the claim, they have no right to do this because they have no claim even if they believed he was the fraudster.

If the claim is outside of the SOL, then Carnival has no right to hold on to his refund. As for Zelle, then contact Zelle or his bank. I have to go through my bank to use Zelle so that would be even more support than a cc company. When I had my fraud situation, my bank was the only entity that actually gave me back some money. I was up a creek with cc companies because I had authorized the charges...even though I ultimately never received the services the charges were for.

I have a several thousand dollar FCC I am trying to apply to a booking. I contacted Carnival about it on Jan. 8th. They responded the next day saying they would credit it to my account, but it is now 1/16 and it is still not credited to my account. When I have done this in the past, it was usually applied within a couple of days. At what point do I call? I hate calling, btw. I hate waiting on hold and I hate talking on the phone.

I don't agree with most of PPs. You are a victim of fraud just like Carnival and shouldn't be held responsible for someone else's obvious fraud. I would do a signed and notorized affidavit stating the situation and that you were not involved with the fraud, get together everything you can from your cc company involving the charge back and specifically anything that shows the charge back didn't come from you and then present all the information to Carnival's customer service to either get your money back or go on the cruise. If none of this works, contact John Heald with this info. You might also try finding out if there is any information on the fraudster agent in her local jurisdiction. If there were any fraud charges against her, etc. You might also reach out to the friend referral and try to figure out if the agent did this to anyone else and then also present this information to Carnival. I feel your pain. It sucks being a victim. We had tens of thousands of dollars (and a rolex watch and tools) stolen from us by a fraudster construction guy who literally gave us fake insurance documents, had family members giving him fake referrals, etc. after a hurricane. We went to authorities--both police and the Harris County DA's office. I had over 100 pages of documents proving his fraud. They did nothing. I was told since I lived in a large county, they didn't take action until he had ripped off multiple people. Guess what? He ultimately ripped off multiple people. By the time they finally did something, the guy had ripped off over 20 families and left the state.

I am so excited about this! Looking forward to the YC.

Anyone heard what is happening to the cruises that go through the suez canal in light of the recent terrorist attacks on cargo ships? I noticed Princess is still selling its WC segment that goes through the suez canal. I am wondering what will happen if they have to re-route the ship.