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51 minutes ago, Host Clarea said:
We've also done that on Royal, but apparently the California rules are changing making it more expensive for the cruise lines.
So is that why Royal's competitors are deploying new ships to California?
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4 hours ago, chengkp75 said:
Not saying it won't happen, just that I don't foresee it happening on a large scale by the time the Icon class ships come out starting in 2022.
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1 hour ago, chengkp75 said:
Yes, it says:
"possibility fuel cells can be used in a “significant way” to power the Icon ships’ hotel functions, and added that regulatory standards would also have to be developed for the technology."
As I noted, it does not mean that the hotel power will all be from fuel cells, and they don't know yet how "significant" they will be until the testing is done. And the regulatory hurdles still exist.
Testing started in 2017 and has expanded. Several cruise lines have ordered ships with fuel cell technology. I don't see the regulatory standards as a hurdle, it's only a matter of time as they try to push them off fossil fuels. ABB announced last summer they are in calibration in building a 3Mw fuel cell for marine applications.
"possibility fuel cells can be used in a “significant way” to power the Icon ships’ hotel functions, Gotta love lowering the bar and over achieving!
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45 minutes ago, chengkp75 said:
Not quite correct. The fuel cell module that will be installed on Icon class ships is only 100 kw, whereas the hotel load for that class of ship would be in the 10+ Mw range, so they would need 100 of the modules to power the hotel load. As far as I know, there are only provisional rules for carrying and using liquid hydrogen as fuel for ships with any of the classification societies, so that is another hurdle to overcome.
https://www.maritime-executive.com/article/royal-caribbean-to-test-fuel-cell-on-high-end-newbuild
The more you know.
https://www.rclcorporate.com/rcl-steps-to-the-fore-with-plans-for-fuel-cell-technology/
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4 hours ago, John&LaLa said:
Which Coastal ports will accommodate a ship larger than Oasis?
No clue.
4 hours ago, not-enough-cruising said:This seems to be an inconclusive conclusion. Lots of articles about public buses powered by CNG not passing CARB requirements
FYI Icon will be using a fuel cell to run hotel operations while docked.
"We believe fuel cells offer very interesting design possibilities," said Harri Kulovaara, RCL's chief of ship design. "As the technology becomes smaller and more efficient, fuel cells become more viable in a significant way to power the ship's hotel functions. We will begin testing those possibilities as soon as we can, and look to maximize their use when Icon class debuts."
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On 11/21/2019 at 6:59 PM, xpcdoojk said:
The problem is they can’t do California cruises because of the laws (Jones Act or the Passengers version of it). IE, I think cruises that went to Cabo, then to San Diego up to San Francisco and back to San Pedro would be awesome. Can’t really do that legally or logistically. Trip from San Pedro, San Francisco, Oregon, then Seattle and back would again be logistically challenging. The water is cold so nobody is going to go snorkeling. Can’t easily gets ships there... ie the ships Cali wants Oasis, can’t get there without going around the horn or across the Pacific. Quantum class could and would probably be the best fit, but again, those pesky Cali rules to save the planet... too bad so sad.
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It's the PVSA not the jones act and several cruise lines are doing Pacific costal's including Celebrity. I agree Q class would be the best fit for California. The port of Los Angeles will be building a new cruise terminal in the next couple of years for vessels like Oasis class ships. Minimum requirements for the ship are 1100ft long and 5000+ passengers. One of the local papers asked a port representative if Disney going to bring vessels he said no. we have another previous customer looking to return. Hmm I wonder who that is? Icon class will comply with CARBS laws.
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14 hours ago, ONECRUISER said:
No, was another that did around South America, might been couple Voyager Class's
The only voyager class that has done it was Mariner 2009 and 2011 Radiance also has gone around the horn several times.
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12 hours ago, springaussie said:
With no further port bookings in Oz to match the Voyager entries after 10 June 2021 this is where the assumption of a possible Pacific Crossing is coming from.
Thats going to Celebrity
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On 10/3/2019 at 7:44 AM, travelgoddess1 said:
I read this article and did not see any reference to an RCI ship, just an opportunity for someone to come in and develop a multi-use facility capable of handling a mega ship. What did I miss?
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6 hours ago, geoff2802 said:
Your initial theory that the ship with the June 2021 calls is on its way to the US is as good as any. No idea if it is Voyager or another ship. It's likely to be Voyager class.
I can't see Royal deploying a really large ship to the US West coast or going around Cape Horn.
Something large is coming to LA. over 110 feet in length and 5000 plus passengers.
https://www.portoflosangeles.org/references/news_093019_outer_harbor
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11 minutes ago, gatour said:
Looked at the link.
If I read it correctly, it is still in draft mode/public review...
November 15, 2018 - Preliminary Health Analyses Public Review Extended
CARB staff is extending the review and comment period for the preliminary draft of the health analyses for the vessels at berth rulemaking to December 17th. These health analyses are being released for public review in advance of the Initial Statement of Reasons (ISOR) for the Control Measure for Ocean-Going Vessels At Berth and At Anchor to support early public review and comment on a draft, and the opportunity for staff to make revisions prior to publication of the ISOR.
in the left hand column is the link to the regulation been in effect for awhile now.
The At-Berth Regulation was Board approved in December of 2007. Early compliance began on January 1, 2010, with the Equivalent Emission Reduction Option. The majority of fleets will begin compliance on January 1, 2014, with the Reduced Onboard Power Generation Option. Compliance requirements increase from 50% in 2014 to 70% in 2017. Lastly, compliance requirements go up to 80% in 2020.
Plugging into shore power is expected to be the most common method for complying with the At-Berth Regulation. The Navy first developed shore power that allows ships to plug into electricity at the berth rather than running onboard engines. Shore power was first commercially implemented in 2001 by Princess Cruises in Alaska. China Shipping, in 2004, was the first container carrier in California to use shore power at the Port of Los Angeles. Between 2004 and 2012, the ports of Los Angeles, Long Beach, Oakland, and San Diego have installed a total of 5 shore power berths for cruise ships and 11 shore power berths for container vessels. More shore power berths are expected to be installed in the coming years
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28 minutes ago, mcrcruiser said:
Perhaps this is one reason ;but ,we are certain that other ports in the US have situations as well that Royal must adhere to . If this was so prohibitive they why does Carnival ,Princess ,holland America , Norwegian , Disney avoid Calif ports . It simply is not a main reason for Royal Caribbean to abandon California
“We do not participate in shorepower on an operational basis,” Goldstein said
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3 minutes ago, mcrcruiser said:
Not sure who this was speaking .Wish I was there to discuss many itinerary possibilities from California ports into the largest ocean in this world ,the Pacific
Current CEO of Royal Caribbean and he contradicts what his boss said in 2010 when the pulled Mariner from LA. The ship sailed full.
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7 minutes ago, mcrcruiser said:
Why is every one trying to knock California ports as a starting point for any Royal Caribbean ship ?
Do we knock down NYC or Florida ports or any other port of call .
It just so happens that California has a lot to offer the cruise industry & it seems to us that Carnival corporation is very happy to port their ships up & down the coast of our state
I"m not knocking California I'm about 90 miles north of you in Riverside County. Ive been cruising with Royal since 2003. You wanted to know why they do not sail regularly out of California and it has to do with their strict environmental laws.
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23 minutes ago, HBE4 said:
Is there a hot-line or a bat-signal (or chief-signal) we can send up? I'm interested in this as well. Not doubting Wl2cruise' knowledge of the subject, just wondering why Carnival and Holland American can "plug-in" and Royal can not. Does Carnival possess some kind of exotic, advanced power supply??
Everything I've read about California cruising points to the lack of interest in cruising to Mexico for the decline in popularity of West coast cruises. With the newer, bigger "ships are the destination" Oasis and Quantum-class ships, you'd think that would be less of an issue.
Maybe when the Icon-ships come out, they can spare a ship for the left coast?
Hope this article helps
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2 minutes ago, mcrcruiser said:
Never heard of this rule . What agency requires this ? Just seems a odd thing
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2 hours ago, mcrcruiser said:
Royal Caribbean ships sail into the most stringent of environments in Alaska waters
Any shipping company that visit a California port more than 5 times year must connect to shore power. Royal has decide not to retrofit their ships to accept shore power. its very costly to build, maintain and the electric bill.
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1 hour ago, Host Clarea said:
Note that this did not say "ship based in California", only "ship in California". This could be the occasional Pacific Coastal or Panama Canal cruise.
An update on cruising from California
One cruiser asked Michael Bayley about the prospects of Royal Caribbean returning to California and offering cruises regularly from Los Angeles.Its about returning to California not the occasional high and by.
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17 hours ago, mcrcruiser said:
It has been a very long time since there was a RCCL ship sailing from California ports . There is San Diego ,San Pedro (near LA) & San Francisco . Carnival has their own cruise terminal & parking structure in the port of Long Beach
Our most recent Sunday Newspaper ,the San diego Union had a big article on many more cruise lines wanting to service the worlds 5th largest economy of California ,yet ,Royal Caribbean ,Celebrity & Azamara are all missing from sailing from & to these several California ports .Norwegian , Disney , Additional Carnival in SD port & Crystal plus Princess & Holland America are doing more & more cruises from California ports
Will RCL corporation place ships here in California ports in the near future ?
No, Because of California's environmental laws.
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No one really knows. One thing mentioned is Royal ships can't plug into port power.
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The information is out there in bits and pieces written in news articles. Once you put it together it’s pretty clear.
Royal will not retrofit any of their ships with AMP capability it’s to expensive. This is why Royal is investing fuel cell technology.
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This is good reason why Royal won't be going back to West Coast anytime soon...
So untrue! They don’t sail from the west coast (California) because of the environmental laws.
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People on Facebook are PRAYING for Royal Caribbean and calling the plaintiffs bloodsuckers
And the people on twitter are trolling.;p;p
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It obviously wasn't a wise business decision or they'd still be there.
Because they will not retrofit their existing ships for cold ironing. Thats why Mariner was pulled from LA. The law was phased in starting 2010 Cruise ships where among the first. Mariner left LA 1/2011
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How do you quantify "great"? Sold out does not necessarily mean great. One has to consider operating costs there (which several people in this thread indicates are quite high). Also, what was the average passenger charge per room on these "great" cruises compared to other locations where ships are based? How much onboard spending was done? Do you have data to back up this claim of "great"?
Summer of 2007 and 2008 a inside room for Vision was 1000pp on a 7 day MR so Royal repositioned Mariner to the 7 day MR starting 2/2009. A passenger increase of 679 per week. Probably not a wise business decision if it was just OK.
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Just look at the pricing out of New Orleans you can purchase a 7 night cruise for $60-$70 dollars a night.