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7 minutes ago, Tree_skier said:

The fact that you consider it an insult is not on me, that's on you.  I have stated, repeatedly, that I don't consider it an insult but an accurate description of a standard dress.  Don't project your bias and stereo-types onto my views.  If you consider a statement referencing Walmart shoppers automatically forces at certain context I would suggest you are the one with the vile and insulting prejudice.   I have already stated that I shop at Walmart and the standard of dress that I expect to see and the standard of dress that I expect at a decent restaurant are different. Any other interpretation to my words other than their actual, literal,  meaning is unfair.

I'm not projecting anything onto your views. You're not even the person who made the insults in question. You're defending others, which I'm totally cool with, but not when you start turning the discussion into being about you. I am in no way interpreting your words in an unfair manner, because it's not your words I've been talking about.

Also, there is no such thing as an "actual, literal" interpretation to words. Everything about words and language involves context. That's why translation can be so difficult with languages that are both culturally and linguistically far apart.

11 minutes ago, little britain said:

you should never cut your bread roll with your knife...you should break it.

If you're going that route, you should never put your bread on your plate and should put it on the table next to your plate.

21 minutes ago, The Fun Researcher said:

While I would much prefer that everyone was dressed up on formal night (not tuxes, but dressed up), I've given up on any expectations.  ...and I don't see it ever going back.  Once you start things going more and more casual it's nearly impossible to reign it back in.  

 

Going, going, almost gone is the feel of those special, elegant nights when being on the ship truly felt luxurious, surrounded by well appointed passengers, eating wonderful food, in a beautiful environment.  

 

Oh well, we'll still get dressed up on formal nights.  Sport coat and slacks for me, shirt/tie and slacks for my son, and dresses for my wife and daughters.  Not "Tux formal".  At least we still allow ourselves that special night together and I hope that on average more fellow passengers do than don't.

 

 

 

Dan

There's certainly no way to go back to the entire ship being like that, but it wouldn't be at all difficult to make specific areas of the ship, including some dining rooms, like that, if Royal actually cared to do so, but so long as the people who want that sort of experience are more interested in insulting other passengers than making complaints to Royal, it'll never happen.

43 minutes ago, rusty nut said:

Yes, I painted with a pretty broad stroke. Deserving, though. After all, it is statistics. I don't have the exact numbers but it's extremely high, the number of passengers on a cruise ship that are spending money they don't have. Again, with a very broad stroke of my brush, these are the same people wearing shorts and tee-shirts in the MDR and being rude and inconsiderate to fellow passengers. Never used to be that way. 

People who are buying fine clothes for fine dining are WAY more likely to be spending money they don't have than people who are going one of the cheapest vacation options available.

1 hour ago, Tree_skier said:

 

They aren't insults when they are actually correct observations.  Steerage is simply a historical reference to a part of the ship that held passengers with the cheapest tickets.  Golden Corral is what it is and I think it's patrons is a fair comparison to what some would make the MDR on a Royal Caribbean to be.  I shop at Walmart.  Walmart isn't an insult.  How I dress when I go to Walmart and when I go out for good meal are different.  Walmart is representative of a type of appearance incongruent with what some of us would like to see in the MDR of a cruise ship.

 

If it insults you to be compared to Golden Corral diners and Walmart patrons don't dress like a Golden Corral diner and a Walmart patron when going to the MDR. Remember, it's our vacation too, we can do what we like.

The fact that you keep trying to lump me in with the group that doesn't follow the dress code despite the fact that I've told you I follow the dress code is telling.

I'm not insulted, because it's not directed at me, and the people it is directed at may not be insulted either, but they're still insults. And the insult is all in the context. Some people believe that there's nothing wrong with shopping at Wal-Mart, and them saying that someone shops at Wal-Mart is in no way an insult. Others believe that shopping at Wal-Mart is a "low class" activity, and them saying that someone shops at Wal-Mart is an insult, whether the receiver feels (or even notices) it or not. Now, when someone says that people look like they're at Wal-Mart, the context very clearly puts them into the second group, making it a very clear insult. That sort of statement is simply vile, and it's the worst sort of insult in that the person tries to pretend like they're not being vile and not insulting others, possibly even to themselves.

1 minute ago, Tapi said:

I'm personally more bothered by a lack of manners and table etiquette than by what someone is wearing. I can't stand to sit across someone who eats like they were raised by a pack of wolves, even if they are wearing a tuxedo.

 

The only time I'm truly bothered by what someone is wearing at the MDR is if they are wearing a sweaty tank top and their armpits look like they are smuggling Chewbacca in there.  

I mean, if someone pulled Chewbacca out of their armpits at my table in the MDR, I would be rather impressed.

26 minutes ago, rusty nut said:

It's not just the dress code. It's the entitlement attitudes of these exact same people who are on a cruise they probably can't afford anyway. Do the tee-shirts and shorts bother me in the MDR? Of course they do because these are the same people that are going to be cutting in front of me in line and bursting onto an elevator before anybody gets off. These will be the most inconsiderate passengers on the ship, you'll see.

There is very likely some correlation there, but that's no excuse to stereotype the vast majority of those who ignore the the dress code but are otherwise considerate people.

39 minutes ago, Tree_skier said:

 

Oh my... nobody is directing venom LOL.

<middle bits cut out>

Don't worry though, we are a minority and nobody is going stop you wearing the t-shirt you got at the Lynrd Skynrd concert in 1987 into the main dining room.

References to "mass market steerage," "Golden Corral," and "Wal-Mart"  are all different ways of saying that the people are low class and are pretty blatant insults.

And I always follow the dress code. I just think that insulting people for something that is really Royal Caribbean's fault is way more vulgar than what people are wearing in the MDR.

On 1/7/2019 at 12:12 PM, SargassoPirate said:

I think referring to those who wear T shirts, shorts, and ballcaps to the MDR as bubbas at the trough was indeed a bit harsh.  When I was a young hillbilly growing up, we were taught to dress and behave as young ladies and gentlemen.  Those lessons, carried over to today, have been lost on lots of folks who dress for fine dining in the MDR like a trip to WalMart.

 

Like it or not, your dress and decorum says a lot 

 

Except that it’s NOT “fine dining.” Royal Caribbean is not providing you with a fine dining experience, they’re providing you with a Red Lobster experience while encouraging you to role play like it’s fine dining. If you want a real fine dining experience, you need to be directing your venom at Royal or going to a different cruise line, not attacking other passengers.

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On 1/7/2019 at 6:48 AM, SargassoPirate said:

Currently sailing on RCI.  The MDR looks like the Golden Corral on Friday night - even on the so-called "formal" night.  Men in shorts, T shirts, flip flops, ball caps. Women in shorts and tank tops.

 

We read the fine print in the daily Compass and it reads "Dress Suggestion: Formal" and "Please note that short pants, slippers & hats are not reccomended at dinner time.  Bare feet and tank tops will not be permitted in the main dining room"

 

Suggestions and recommendations apparently have no effect on the mass market crowd.

 

 

Rules that aren’t enforced and have zero consequences always will and should be ignored. It’s not their fault, it’s Royal Caribbean’s fault. You are insulting the wrong people.

22 minutes ago, SRF said:

 

Alternating with the beverage ID thingies.

 

We were on two wining trivia teams last cruise.

What is that?

9 hours ago, fdthird said:

No problem...the rest of us will be happy to absorb your “free” soda.   I have seen so many perks go away in our lifetime because people abuse them.  There are no victim less crimes.  Stop screwing it for the rest of us!!!

Going from having a reasonable argument for not doing what the OP suggests to “there are victims of those who dance in places where dancing is illegal” is a pretty big jump. I’m going to choose to believe you just tend towards extreme hyperbole.

Does Royal have an equivalent to the ship on a stick? That's all I really want from any cruise.

2 hours ago, matj2000 said:

Why does everyone think they need to pre-book shows on all ships????

Bevause they came to this forum and read people talking about needing to prebook shows, and that’s all they know about it. Plenty of people reading here don’t even know the difference between ship classes or what ships are in which class.

Assuming you’re on one of the 9 night cruises, you should probably take a rental car and not spend $200 on parking.

On 12/31/2018 at 5:48 PM, willow1uk said:

hello there, its not a case of illness is it, i think you have very little understanding of poeple and dont quote your problems please. this was a special trip and the insurers didnt cover change of itinerary at lkast minute. we travelled with cunard in storms last year with no change. some empathy from you!!!

Youre confusing empathy with sympathy.

11 minutes ago, papaflamingo said:

It wasn't "hostile," I'd say unsympathetic.  BUT, that's why I skipped it in my reference as well as not referencing Teacher42's answer in post 10.  One post doesn't "contribute to the overall tone," but Teacher's sarcastic response to reasonable posts certainly does.  My only point is that Teacher seems to want a lot of sympathy, and if not getting it, gets angry and upset and indignant.  Teacher set the tone for this thread. 

I agree that Teacher set the tone, but post 4 exacerbated it.

On 1/2/2019 at 6:39 AM, papaflamingo said:

Teacher42, I think that you are a bit "touchy."  You are acting like everyone attacked you.  Yet if you read posts 2, 3, and 5, there's nothing "snarky" at all in them, yet you answer in a very sarcastic way in posts 6, 11, and 12. You might want to not be outraged by comments if you are going to go after very reasonable explanations for your situation in a sarcastic way.  

 

On the other hand, post 4 wasn’t just snarky but hostile, and that’s going to contribute to the overall tone of the thread. People seldom process posts in isolation.

Shorts definitely violate the dress code, but it’s not enforced. Do with that as you will.

If you’re sexually asssulted in a restaurant bathroom, do you just tell your waiter and go home?

Just because you go back on the ship doesn’t mean you’ve left the country.

17 hours ago, Andy C said:

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the "ethnic" music was probably hispanic in nature.  #MAGA.

Odd, I figured it was yodeling.

23 hours ago, Joseph2017China said:

 

The benefits are not really benefits.  They have no cash value, so letting someone pay for something you get for free, is a good thing.  You still get it for free.

 

WiFi is still a benefit, unless you want to pay for the Key, which you don't, since you already have the benefits for free.

 

What I want, is the "free" items that actually cost money.  The free picture.  The free drinks.  Free wifi for 24 or 48 hours.  Balcony discount when booking 6 months out.  All those items save me money, on a 7 day cruise, about $780.00.  Jump to the front of the line, has no monetary value, therefore, I don't care.

 

Time is money, friend.