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I know that the two Breakaway Plus ships (Escape and Bliss) will be bigger than the Breakaway Class and carry more passengers.
However what are they going to do with the extra tonnage? I believe that they will have an extra deck. Will there just be more cabins or will we get more amenities?
Anyone know?
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There is a VERY extensive Getaway review here, which contains a lot of detail:
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I would not book a cruise on a ship as a matter of principle, if key features are still a secret.
Come on RCI, we are grown ups, it's time to share her secrets!;)
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The RCI FAQ's clearly say that passengers WILL be able to smoke on Quantum's balconies, although this seems to go against the new 'rules' for all other ships.
Why?
(Sorry if this topic has been coved before)
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I don't think it will be a Royal Prom as we know it!
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I personally believe it to be the midship area on decks 4 and 5. There is tons of retail and there are steps up to another level.
Yes you could be right? So what is the space on deck 6 - just a big corridor?
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It's not clear from the deck plan (deck 6) if the 'Prom' extends the full length of the deck or less than half?
It looks like it culminates in a 'square' (a Royal Square) or has a 'square' half way along, as rumoured?
As suggested on Malcolm's blog, maybe the main dining room (or a large one, if there is not a 'main' one) is located on decks 3/4.
Maybe RCI are adopting an NCL approach to dining with multiple dining rooms?
We are still guessing!
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yes, single cabins - for one person...
i think it was NCL that first offered single cabins and they've been wildly successful...
interestingly studio cabins first appeared on-board Norwegian Epic and were designed as 'doubles', amied at young couples. They obviouly did not sell well so NCL now sell them as singles.
NCL's studio's still have double beds and a private lounge.
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I LOVED Chicago on the Allure. Am looking forward to seeing Hairspray on the Oasis in October.:)
Hairspray is excellent on Oasis.
As alreday stated, 'Getaway' will have 'Legally Blonde'.
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[quote name='babine']The only way that I'd book a sailing on the new Titanic would be if I got to spend a night with Leo Dicaprio.[/quote]
Don't worry if he's not, I hope to be onboard!;) -
I know that other ships CAN surive the northern route, but I wouldn't do it on anything but QM2.
I did a tandem crossing on-board Queen Vic (in tandem with the QE2)which was in January 2008. The Queen Vic (a new ship then) creaked her way across the pond, slapping the waves, sounding like an old sailing ship. It was not a very smooth ride being a cruise ship! The QE2 looked like she was given her passengers a better ride.
Queen Vic from the QE2.
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Will the 3rd class passnegers be excluded from the ships ammenities in first class or will it simply be similar to modern cruise ships...
Palmer says yes that they will be excluded, but I think he will have to change his mind on that.
One problem is that each class had it's own dining room, lounge and smoking room. The 3rd class carried twice as many passengers as the 1st class, so they could not all fit in the first class dining room. I think that he may need a rota.
I don't see how he cannot have an external pool, given modern tastes, even if it is not authentic.
Tit2 will be a strange mix of authenticity, modernity and fiction.
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London Calling, I'm interested in seeing an authoritative reference for the figures you gave. I once searched for some for some time, but was pretty much out of luck.
See here (interview with designer, Stephen Payne):
http://www.beyondships2.com/qm2-stephen-payne-interview-part-two-page-2.html
I think the hull is discussed on page 2 of the review. The comparison with the QE2 is also interesting!
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I'm 100% satisfied that my fellow countrymen in the Deltamarin design office will design a ship that is 100% seaworthy, also regarding the North Atlantic in winter.
Oh I don't doubt it Subartic.
The point is that QM2 is designed for a fatigue-life of 40 years, ten years more than a cruise ship. Her hull is not just a little 'thicker' in places, it is twice as thick as a regular cruise ship. This added 40% to her building cost.
Have you ever wondered why the 'Kings Court' if long, slender and confusing? The QM2 has a very strong 'backbone' and could not have the type of wide open space for the buffet than many big cruise ships have.
If a regular cruise ship (including Titanic 2, I guess) operated the QM2's regular crossing schedule, including winter crossing, they would receive structural damage/fatigue easier than the QM2.
Oh and as for speed, a cruise ship would get delayed arriving at NY or Southampton on occasions as they have little reserve speed. The QM2 has a spare 10 knots!
I was under the impression that a deep ‘draught’ helped a ship cut through rough seas better, than a shallow draft?
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I'm no expert at how ships are built to sail transatlantic, but from what I can gather from his plans and the comments here, it doesn't seem to be built adequately for this passage?
Hi VallyD, the QM2 (an Ocean Liner) is fast and strong and built to take the North Atlantic, year in, year out, even in winter.
Many cruise ship cross the pond, sometimes once in the spring and once in the Autumn (Fall), to reposition. However the tend to avoid the North Atlantic is the winter. They would not sink, but they would probably get a pounding.
When Oasis left the ship-yard and crossed to Fort Lauderdale in December 2009, she met a storm, had to slow down, arrived a couple of days late and had two broken lifeboats and much damaged furniture.
My point was that the original Titanic was the best that they could build for the North Atlantic in 1912. The new version sounds like she will be built more like a fair-weather cruise ship. I don't think we would see her on the Atlantic too often.
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From what I have read Titanic II is being built more as a cruise ship, than a proper Ocean Liner.
Let me explain. Stephen Payne specifically designed the Queen Mary 2 for the rigours of the North Atlantic. Her hull is extra thick, streamlined, very stable, her bridge extra high, she has a breakwater on her bow, she has extra speed (some 30 knots available).
Payne looked at the North Atlantic weather charts for 100 years and designed the QM2 so she will never arrive at NY or Southampton late (assuming the weather is never any worse that the past 100 years). She can slow down in a storm to make the ride comfortable for the passengers and still has the reserve speed to make up the time.
The Titanic 2 will have a 1912 designed hull which has been modified (widened) to be more stable. I’m not aware that she will have any specially capabilities for the North Atlantic. After all she’s quite a small ship – much smaller than the QE2 for example.
Palmer says that Titanic 2 able to achieve 23 knots and do a six day crossing. I’m told that 23 knots will more likely give you a seven day crossing. In heavy seas that could extend to eight days. She’s unlikely to offer direct crossings in winter, unlike the QM2.
Titanic 2 might win on charm and publicity, but technically she will be no match for the QM2.
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...of course if you want the romance of a bygone age and want to cross to NY, I'd recommend the biggest ocean liner ever built, the 'Queen Mary 2'.
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Easy, there won't BE a nightclub. This is 1912 remember?
He's added an extra deck called 'the safety deck' . This is where the modern lifeboats are located. The deck will also have modern public rooms like a casino and Theatre. Who knows he may include ea night-club?
The whole concept is far from finalised and Palmer has already changes his mid and contradicted himself in the past year!
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If Clive Palmer is really serious about building Titanic II then he should consider that it is not 1912 anymore and that passengers aboard ship today do enjoy modern technology...
There are ship-nuts out there (and techophobes) who would enjoy an fairly original Titanic experience, including dressing up in period costume. However they will probably only fill the first few cruises!
He will need to attract more 'regular' folk if he is to fill his ship week after week. (However will 'regular' folk even be interested in his ship?)
Mr. Palmer will definitely have to water-down some of the 'authenticity'. An outdoor pool is probably essential. Even the steerage cabins will need two lower berths and a private toilet!
When Mr. Palmer realises that Internet and Spa facilities can make big money, he will have a re-think!
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There may be now NEED for a balcony on a TA....
The Queen Mary 2 was given balconies for her 'cruising' role in the Caribbean/Med etc. and not really for her Transatlantic crossings!
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when you think of it, all cruise ships have 'classes' of cabin and Cunard 'classes' of dining. However even at the cheap end you do expect room to swing a cat and a private toilet!
Will Mr. Palmer really ban 2nd and 3rd class form using the 1st class public rooms?
Mind you Cunard 'Grill' passengers get a few private spaces of their own, don't they!
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Hi London Calling,
Unfortunately one of your images fails to load...
Try this, one of the original 'Queen Mary's internal prom.
http://www.simplonpc.co.uk/QM1/Shelter_Deck-01.jpg
...but that rendering of the swimming pool looks awful. Is it a drawing for the new ship or a representation of what the old one had?It is a Titanic II rendering of what her original indoor pool looked like - Pretty typical of various Ocean liners.
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Nice comparison, well done!
85% of the ideas on-board Breakaway/Getaway come directly from Epic. She may be ugly externally, but inside she has the look and same feel and the same range of dining/entertainment as Getaway.
Epic's has just two negative factors:
1) Some people did not like the cabins with split show/toilet. I had no problem with them.
2) She does not have 'the Waterfront', but what are your chances of getting a seat, with a sea view, on a sunny day with 4,000+ other punters!
Forget her looks, she's well worth a try and will be permanently based in the Med next year.
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