BroadwayGirl

52 minutes ago, babygrljaz said:

I know, I didn't question why it changed.  I am well aware GC is out.  My question, although rhetorical don't expect her to know why,  to broadwaygirl is her cruise is in nov already showing itinerary changes.  Mine is in sept but no change yet

Like you said, we can only speculate why. Wonder if there were multiple ships at HMC and they separated us, but it looks like they are standardizing the itineraries for the Legend for the fall…kind of like how they did with the other ships restarting now. I think the 3 weeks of November Legend Bahamas cruises are now all the same.   My October Pride cruise has not changed from HMC and GT.   Waiting for the announcement for another week sucks…esp since I have to pay my Oct cruise by Monday. 

14 minutes ago, Lee Cruiser said:

So far, our September Sunrise cruise has remained unchanged as far as ports (Nassau, HMC and Grand Turk.  I'm really wondering about Grand Turk. Not sure that one will happen.

Grand Turks is on my October one along with HMC and hope we go. We haven't been to either yet and want to get there. 

Just now, Lee Cruiser said:

According to what is still available for booking, it still appears they plan to bring back Glory out of N.O. and Pride out of Baltimore in September and Sensation in late October.  This is in addition to the previous ships for August.  Obviously these could change, but certainly appears to be their plans or they probably would have removed them for bookings by now.  The real questions are what ports will be changed and what will the protocols be?

exactly and it seems like changes are starting to be made on the website

12 minutes ago, Lee Cruiser said:

What kind of itinerary changes?

Dropping Half Moon Cay this afternoon for November and switching to Princess Cays. And our port order has changed.  Our cruise is currently off the website but the changes showed up in cruise manager. 

22 minutes ago, klfhngr said:

Getting the popcorn ready!!!🤐

haha yep. Itinerary changes are showing up in cruise planner this afternoon for my Nov cruise.  Assuming we'll have a lot of fun to deal with come Monday/Tuesday. 

My roll call noticed HMC was pulled from our November Legend cruise out of Baltimore and switched to Princess Cay as of this afternoon.   Assuming this is part of what we should expect with Monday's announcement. I just hate finding out via cruise planner or watching a facebook group instead of Carnival being up front with us.   Anyone else have itinerary changes showing up? 

Nothing today but should know something Monday or Tuesday. Too bad my final payment us Monday! 

1 hour ago, ALWAYS CRUZIN said:

This is copied from Royal Caribbean's requirements cruising to the Bahamas. All guests 18 years and above must have a Bahamas health Visa, which guests can acquire through the Bahamas tourism website. Those under the age of 18 should be added to the parents’ visa. Guests should print out the visa so authorities can scan the QR code when entering the country. Other requirements include: So their you ahve it.

And that’s also for cruise departing from Nassau. It’s spelled out on the page.  Scroll to the bottom..only applies to Adventure homeporting in Nassau. https://www.royalcaribbean.com/faq/questions/what-is-the-bahamas-health-visa-how-to-apply-costs-who-pays
 

The Bahamas minister of tourism has even stated its only for home-ported in the Bahamas cruise ships..like adventure. It does not apply to ships embarking in Florida or the US.. as the cruise lines are handling vaccine certification, testing and possible insurance requirements for the unvaccinated.  

https://ewnews.com/free-pass-some-cruise-passengers-not-required-to-obtain-health-travel-visa
 

1 hour ago, ALWAYS CRUZIN said:

Please go and read the Bahamas requirements. Any one visiting the Bahamas MUST first have the Bahamas health insurance visa. If you are leaving a port and heading to the Bahamas. You must have the Bahamas health insurance before even boarding the ship. https://www.bahamas.com/travelupdates

I have already read it and it's for those that fly into the Bahamas. The "Cruise passengers" section states for "Guests on cruises that originate in and return to The Bahamas" aka RCL's Adventure.   

And if you don't believe me, maybe you'll believe the Bahamas minister of Tourism quoted in a news article on return to cruising - Minister of Tourism and Aviation Dionisio D’Aguilar - “Cruises that initiate out of Florida, the government has loosened its restrictions somewhat. All of those passengers that commence or embark in Florida, they will not require a health visa.”  “it is different from homeporting, where the requirement is that everyone must fulfill the government of The Bahamas’ health protocols.”  He goes on to state the cruise lines are taking care of the vaccine certifications, testing and insurance on their end. 

2 hours ago, ALWAYS CRUZIN said:

You will need to purchase the Bahamas medical Insurance at $40.00 per person and proof of vaccination to get that.

That only applies to cruises leaving from Nassau currently like RCLs Adventure of the Seas.  Bubble tours are for those with unvaccinated (mostly kids) in their party.  You don't have to do a Bahamas visa for a US departure port cruise unless they change the rules.    My comment was just sharing that we don't even have a confirmation on a Baltimore restart but bubble tours started showing up this week. 

7 minutes ago, pogoism9 said:

 

I think NY is not a year round port for Carnival. Seems like the top candidates for Sept/Oct are Baltimore, NOLA, and *maybe* Charleston

NYC has already been cancelled for 2021. They moved the Magic to Florida. NYC won't start back til 2022 for Carnival. 

Baltimore and NOLA are the only two ports selling for Sept/Oct right now. Charleston is greyed out til November. 

27 minutes ago, Cruisesfun65 said:

Anyone know when the announcement will be made??

John Heald keeps saying he's waiting for news from the beards....and seems iffy now if it's coming.  My final payment for October is this weekend and I've been delaying it and hoping to get an announcement. 

My November cruise has bubble excursions showing up for Nassau

43 minutes ago, firefly333 said:

I would post this to john directly.  They cant change it retroactively. 

I’m going to guess carnival lawyers have a catch all CYA somewhere in the cruise contract that they can change covid protocols/testing. But hopefully all the kid exemption test fees will still be waived for July and August like they promised.

Question on the dinner menus…did they still have the sides section on the menu where you can order potato or veggies in addition to the plated meal?  Haven’t seen it in any photos butmost can barely fit the entree section

Can't access the Times, but Missouri is flagged as one of the states heading to crisis mode and diverting covid patients to other hospitals again and calling in for extra nursing/medical help.  

This is just one article I've seen on Missouri: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/new-york-salutes-health-workers-missouri-fights-covid-surge-n1273285

I believe one of the vloggers commented this week in a protocols wrap up that antigen tests for Canadians were available but not pcr  tests. Not sure what you need to fly back. 

32 minutes ago, MamallamaAndDaddy said:

Well, we don't care if unvaccinated cruise with us. We are cruising when we can and without masks except for embarking and in port. So to us it makes no difference. Seastheday

As it stands now, mixed cruises require masks on everyone in doors if you are in a mixed venue unless Carnival wants to police vaxxed vrs not vaxxed. And we know the honor system isn’t working in stores.  That’s the main reason they went with the 95% vaxxed cruises.  The cdc still hasn’t dropped the masking guidance for the unvaxxed on land….If I’m wearing a cdc hat , I believe they push for that to stay in their new Cso.  That forces the vaxxed issue on cruise ships.   If I see the cdc giving in on anything easily, it’s the under 12 set getting on board with negative tests and not capping those numbers at 5%

2 hours ago, chengkp75 said:

Admittedly, I have only skimmed part of the ruling, so didn't see this.  However, the judge is partly correct.  The USCG issues the clearance for a ship to enter or operate in US waters, based on a set of criteria like having submitted manifests and declarations to CBP, and receiving "free pratique" from the CDC clearing the ship for health and sanitation reasons.  The USCG is the ultimate authority for ships operating in US waters, but as is common, and logical, they rely on other agencies to provide expertise in areas where the USCG does not have expertise.  The USCG is not a public health or epidemiology agency, so they rely on input from the CDC (as the CDC is mandated to do) to give the USCG the best advice on whether a ship is healthy or not.  Just as the USCG relies on CBP and DEA for assistance in contraband issues.  Case in point was the drug seizure in Port Everglades this week.  A foreign ship docked in a US port is under USCG jurisdiction, but they deferred to DEA to make the search and seizure.  And it is the DEA's regulations on illegal drugs that the USCG operates under when they themselves make a seizure, not a USCG regulation, even though the USCG has overall jurisdiction.  I find the judge's ruling flawed and contradictory over what the CDC can and can't do.

Thanks for the detailed explanation.  I was perplexed over some of the details of the ruling as well. We’re not dealing with animal sickness quarantine or just sanitation issues. I’m glad someone way more qualified than I thinks the same way.  

7 minutes ago, cscurlock said:

If there is a threat to the state the state can take action just like last year.  But I think the more likely scenario would be the CDC would not allow the ship to dock until all the passengers and crew are tested.

And that’s where the decision was interesting to me.....I interpreted part of the judges decision as saying the CDC didn’t have that authority. That it was with coast guard or border patrol. 
 

I know It’s not March 2020 and we would hopefully do things differently now with returning cases, but would cruise lines have made those hotel, hospital and port medical agreements without the CSO?  Don’t know of well ever answer that. 

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emotional support dogs not permitted. Working dogs only. 

20 minutes ago, musbeus said:

Neither side of this argument will give an inch. We just all have to decided what risks we are willing to accept and where we want to spend our vacation dollars. 
 

With that said, if there is a serious outbreak on a cruise out of anywhere. Cruise companies will NOT survive another shutdown. Is Desantis going to welcome a unvaccinated COVID cruise with open arms and allow Florida to shoulder the situation?  

This is what I’ve been thinking about today. So cruise lines must present their health manifest and illness records to clear when returning back to the US to get permission to dock and let us all off. I’m wondering if there is an outbreak or even covid cases on board returning to Florida is DeSantis turning the ship away or allowing them to dock and let passengers off?  Does he even have authority over that as the decision referenced the coast guard or border patrol I think.   I know part of the CSO were medical agreements in each port...was that unreasonable? 
Weren’t cruise ships denied porting in Florida right before the shutdown? 

21 minutes ago, BlerkOne said:

So masks would be required at a minimum.

And that’s what no one wants.  So I think the cruise lines are still stuck between vaxxed/no masks and mixed/with masks.  
 

However, I don’t necessarily agree with the judge saying it’s just like airline travel or trains or should be treated as such.  

2 minutes ago, regoodwinjr said:

Non-binding guidelines 

Current guidance becomes non binding after 30 days. Not new guidance is how I interpreted it. 

They also got sent back to mediation according to news outlets I read. 

10 hours ago, Bases5 said:

Older smaller ship might not restart until Nov 14 out of Tampa. 
who knows 

I see them swapping Legend for Pride early, moving all of us on Sept/Oct Pride over to Legend cabins, and canceling her reposition cruise before they do that!