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On 8/22/2021 at 3:39 PM, Fairgarth said:
Air Canada's was a Boeing 767, Air Transat's was an Airbus A330. If you wanted to investigate further, there is a book all about the Gimli Glider: "Freefall" by William Hoffer
Air Canada C-GAUN B767-200ER - retired about 15 yrs ago
Received X lbs of fuel instead of X kgs of fuel (aircraft was metric). Diverted to YGM/Gimli MB, and landed on the decommissioned runway (not realizing the left was decomm'd and the right was the active). glided to safety, everyone walked (or limped away). Fun part of story, the maint crew sent from Winterpeg to investigate /start repairs of the aircraft, their van ran out of fuel on the way to Gimli.Air Transat C-GITS A330-200 - still in active service for Transat
Incorrect fuel line was fitted which started leaking half way across the Atlantic. Fuel imbalance checklilst put yet more fuel on the side that was leaking. Glided to safety at TER/Tercia in the Azores, everyone walked away.
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YVRDeals have a good list of sites doing testing for travel purposes, sorted by price. Until Shoppers Drug, Walmart or costco get their act together and start offering BC residents the same pricing Ontario gets.....
https://yvrdeals.com/antigen-and-pcr-testing-in-bc
best one right now is:
JC Health
price: $65
locations: Surrey
website: https://jchealth.ca/pages/covid-19-testing-
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Here is the magic paragraph from the CDC regarding mixed vaccinations; stating that all mixes are OK; with a minimum of 17 days between doses
CDC has not recommended the use of heterologous (i.e., mix-and-match) primary series. However, the use of such strategies (including mixing of mRNA, adenoviral, and mRNA plus adenoviral products) is increasingly common in many countries outside of the United States. Therefore, for the purposes of interpretation of vaccination records, individuals can be considered fully vaccinated ≥2 weeks after receipt of the last dose if they have received any single dose of an FDA approved/authorized or WHO EUL approved single-dose series (i.e., Janssen), or any combination of two doses of an FDA approved/authorized or WHO emergency use listed COVID-19 two-dose series. The recommended interval between the first and second doses of FDA-approved/authorized and WHO-EUL listed vaccines varies by vaccine type. However, for purposes of interpretation of vaccine records, the second dose in a two dose heterologous series must have been received no earlier than 17 days (21 days with a 4 day grace period) after the first dose. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/fully-vaccinated-guidance.html#annex
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4 hours ago, CanacruiserKim said:
Planning a cruise out of Miami on Symphony of the Seas. They do offer a PCR test before disembarkation. I've spoken to RCL and emailed them. No real firm answer.
Is the test they provide on board acceptable to reenter Canada? Molecular PCR. Need to finalize my flights and would prefer to leave the ship and head straight to the airport rather than stay an extra day in Miami to get test results.
You need to let RCL know (when you get on board) that you'll need a PCR test on disembarkation. It is included, but it takes longer for them to do than just an antigen test. They will contact you 1-2 days prior to docking to schedule it with you.
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28 minutes ago, draved said:
The CDC had been accepting mix mRNA vaccines since January. This is way before Canada even decided that mix vaccines are ok. Lately, every cruise line that wasn’t accepting mix mRNA changed their policy to accept these mix because “the CDC will now recognize a mixed series of mRNA vaccines as fully vaccinated”.
Why would the CDC suddenly change their policy with releasing/updating their website first? I find that really odd.
The reason is; that the CDC approval of mixed vaccines is basically a footnote;
Using the above strategies, every effort should be made to determine which vaccine product was received as the first dose to ensure completion of the vaccine series with the same product. In exceptional situations in which the mRNA vaccine product given for the first dose cannot be determined or is no longer available, any available mRNA COVID-19 vaccine may be administered at a minimum interval of 28 days between doses to complete the mRNA COVID-19 vaccination series. In situations where the same mRNA vaccine product is temporarily unavailable, it is preferable to delay the second dose to receive the same product than to receive a mixed series using a different product. If two doses of different mRNA COVID-19 vaccine products are administered in these situations (or inadvertently), no additional doses of either product are recommended at this time. Such persons are considered fully vaccinated against COVID-19 ≥2 weeks after receipt of the second dose of an mRNA vaccine.
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/clinical-considerations/covid-19-vaccines-us.html
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3 minutes ago, mikenbon said:
I'm cruising on Carnival, and they also accept the mix. My concern is that I may not be allowed to fly into the states from Canada, if the US mandates that only fully vaccinated travellers may fly into the states. There's speculation of an announcement about this coming later this month. Right now, they don't recognize the mix of mRNA vaccines as being fully vaccinated. This was confirmed in an email on Thursday from the US CDC.
Given the guidance that the CDC are giving the cruise lines is that an mRNA mix is OK.
"The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has clarified their position regarding mixed vaccinations..."I think you'll be OK. What we need is a proper announcement from the CDC
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1 hour ago, mikenbon said:
I emailed on Thursday, because I understood your quote as being correct, but the reply I received said it isn't accepted as being fully vaccinated. I guess we just wait and see what announcements will be forthcoming.
Not sure what line you're on, but this is Royal/Celebrity's wording, which is pretty clear on a mixed Pfizer/Moderna being OK:
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has clarified their position regarding mixed vaccinations and provided Celebrity Cruises with updated guidance. For sailings departing from the US, the CDC will now recognize a mixed combination of mRNA COVID-19 vaccines (Pfizer/Moderna) as fully vaccinated.
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If a guest has already received two mRNA vaccines in mixed series at a minimum interval of 28 days, the CDC will consider that individual to be fully vaccinated against COVID-19.
https://www.celebritycruises.com/healthy-at-sea/faqs
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If a guest has already received two mRNA vaccines in mixed series at a minimum interval of 28 days, the CDC will consider that individual to be fully vaccinated against COVID-19.
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OK, Further reading... On the [late] afternoon of Friday Oct 8th the CDC talked to the press (however I can't find an official press release), saying;
A CDC spokeswoman told Reuters Friday, “Six vaccines that are FDA authorized/approved or listed for emergency use by WHO will meet the criteria for travel to the U.S.”
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-travel-vaccines-idAFKBN2GY2DJ
By saying six (and not seven), they're implying that they consider
AZD1222 manufactured by Oxford/AstraZeneca called Vaxzevria, and;
AZD1222 manufactured by Serum Institute of India (SII) called Covishield;
to be the same thing.
However, a single sentence confirming that, from damn near anyone would make me a lot happier right now
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5 hours ago, hubbards said:
If you go on the WHO website that outlines approved vaccines, it provides the answer to the mystery.
Yes, some places (the site you've linked above is McGill University in Montreal https://covid19.trackvaccines.org/agency/who/ ) call it seven, some (US CDC https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/clinical-considerations/covid-19-vaccines-us.html) call it six.
As of August 31, 2021, WHO has listed the following COVID-19 vaccines for emergency use:
Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccines (e.g., COMIRNATY, Tozinameran)
AstraZeneca-Oxford COVID-19 vaccines (e.g., Covishield, Vaxzevria)
Janssen (Johnson & Johnson) COVID-19 vaccine
Moderna COVID-19 vaccine
Sinopharm BIBP COVID-19 vaccine
Sinovac-CoronaVac COVID-19 vaccine
Given the Cruise lines have to follow CDC guidelines (who consider two of the WHO vaccines the same), and not WHO directly, I'm hopeful
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7 hours ago, tert333 said:
I thought I would reach out to Celebrity and also get something in writing in regards to a person who had a covishield and then an astrazeneca shot. While I have been told by Celebrity that it is recognized as being the same, thought it was best to get it documented. I used the chat function so I could record the response. Here was their response:
The guest can have two doses of the following in this situation (this is not to the exclusion of the other brands in the chart), just to add clarity for AstraZeneca and Covishield:
Two Astra Zeneca
Two Astra Zeneca Covishield
Two Covishield
It has to be two of the same product. AstraZeneca Covishield is a product and Covishield alone is a product.The response was not what I expected...
I dont understand why they differentiate between Astrazeneca, Astrazenec Covishield and Covishield???
I got to assume this is wrong, but thought I would give a heads up...
The only way her wording makes sense is if there's a + or & missing
Two (Astra Zeneca)
Two (Astra Zeneca + Covishield)
Two (Covishield)
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15 hours ago, gnome12 said:
Separate from what the cruise line requires is what individual countries will accept. Not all countries accept Covishield, so make sure that any country you want to visit does accept it. (I know there is a website with a list of countries that do, but I can’t search for it right now.)
This website https://covid19.trackvaccines.org/ (run my McGill) shows which vaccines have been approved for domestic use in which country; which is quite a different thing than what is approved by that country for "You are vaccinated".
For example, the US CDC approve the 'WHO 6' (Moderna, Pfizer, AZ/Covishield, Jannsen, SinoVac, SinoPharm), for "You are Vaccinated"; however the USA FDA only approve three (not AZ,SinoVac,SinoPharm) for domestic use.
Most countries approve the 'WHO 6" however there are some oddities. For example, St Lucia doesn't approve Sinovac, but does approve Sputnik V, Abdala and Covaxin. I know there are a couple of European countries still waffling on SII/Covishield vs AZ, but that will change quickly I think. However, it's relatively easy to visit the countries website for entrance requirements.
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6 hours ago, netpj said:
A regime of Covishield/AstraZeneca is also causing issues (separate from AstraZeneca/MRNA). Some cruise lines and countries are not accepting Covishield. In the UK (which mainly used AZ) boosters for the over 50s will be either Pfizer or Moderna. Certainly what is acceptable or not varies from country to country as well as who should receive boosters. Some sort of uniformity on these issues would help. Of course overriding this is the fact that there are parts of the world which remain unvaccinated.
At this point in time I have documentation from Celebrity that for US departures they consider AZD1222 vaccines from SII(Covishield) as identical to OxfordAstraZeneca(Vaxzevria); and someone with one of each would be considered fully vaccinated. I would expect other RCL owned cruise lines to be the same.
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8 hours ago, Sistersinlaw said:
I'm lost in the rules of flight vaccine requirements and cruise specific requirements. For flights - is the expectation that US will only allow CDC approved Vaccinated people into US? So no Astra-Zeneca 2 shot people (my husband) and no AZ/Pfizer combos (me)?
I just posted on Carnival board - asking about their specific rules as well. If any awesome Canadians on here understand the Carnival rules for trips out of Florida, feel free to help me out by clarifying their rules too!Thanks!
AstraZeneca is CDC approved (by way of its WHO approval) its just not FDA approved to use on Americans in the USA. The only thing that will be a likely stumbling block for US entry is AZ+ mRNA.
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13 hours ago, K_e_short said:
Welcome to this part of the website. Many of these questions have been asked before.
Two doses of Astra Zeneca are o.k IF your cruiseline states that they accept vaccines that are approved by WHO.
AZ is not approved by the CDC, however it is approved by WHO as long as it's TWO doses.
The confusion comes from the fac that since no one in the U.S. has AZ the AMERICAN cruislines don't list AZ as an option.
All six WHO approved vaccines (Pfizer,Moderna,Janssen,AZ,Sinopharm,SinoVac) are approved by the CDC as 'Vaccinated'. Only three of them have been approved to administer in the United States; a subtle but important difference.
What hasn't yet been approved by the CDC is a mix of AZ+(Moderna/Pfizer); which is relatively common in Canada, Germany and a few other countries. There is a footnote in the CDC approvals saying that a Moderna/Pfizer mix is considered 'fully vaccinated and no additional doses are required', although cruiselines have been inconsistent in their interpretation of this footnote.
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1 hour ago, Fouremco said:
The story is silent on Canadians, but gives some reason for hope. Depending upon the actual effective date, this might mean that those Canadians booked on the Apex TA will be allowed to sail.
Not entirely. Buried in the original reporting is that the new regulations would replace all of the patchwork of separate orders for each country/group of countries that exist now
...relaxing a patchwork of bans that had begun to cause fury in Europe and replacing them with more uniform requirements for inbound international air passengers...[CNN]I would read into that, that Canada, Europe, UK would all be treated similarly; and I would expect the US/Can land border to open in early November
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Two doses of any of the six WHO approved vaccine are acceptable to the CDC. IN addition, I have written confirmation from =X= that they consider "SII Covishield" and "Astra Zeneca" as interchangeable (they're the same AZD1222 vaccine from different manufacturing plants).
- Pzifer
- Moderna
- Astra Zeneca/Covisheild
- Janssen (J&J)
- Sinopharm
- Sincovac
It's just that the us FDA have not approved 3 of the 6 vaccines for US domestic use.
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On 9/16/2021 at 10:10 AM, Magicat said:
Now that these clowns at Health Canada have decided to change the names of the vaccines, will this just make it more confusing for anyone to determine if you received an approved dose?
Instead of calling it "Mazda sports car" they're now saying "Miata / MX-5". What exactly is the problem?
The manufacturer and the name of the vaccine are, and always have been different things.
Pfizer is the manufacturer, and Comirnaty is their Covid-19 vaccine (specifically their BNT162b2 vaccine).
This would be the 'clowns' doing exactly the right thing to clarify exactly what they're talking about. There may be plenty of things to gripe about with various health agencies, but this certainly isn't one of them.
It also helps remove confusion when you're talking about two different manufacturers that manufacture the same vaccine
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1 hour ago, ilovetotravel1977 said:
The cheapest antigen test in Nova Scotia is the $69+tax one I noted at the top.
Since my DH isn't vaccinated, my vacation budget has been cut in half, so what's 80 bucks??! lol
I can't find an antigen for under $130 in BC
Hello, shoppers, please?......
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2 hours ago, NantahalaCruiser said:
Think you missed some of the additional restrictions contained in the FAQs in your link:
What vaccines are accepted?
Vaccines that are fully approved or authorized for emergency use by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) or the World Health Organization (WHO) are accepted. Sputnik V and CanSino are not accepted Covid-19 vaccines. Please be aware that certain countries we sail from or visit during a voyage may require a specific vaccine, and only those travelers vaccinated with the requisite vaccine will be considered fully vaccinated. Be sure to review your departure country's requirements or consult our guest materials prior to sailing for these requirements.
USA only recognizes CDC/FDA and not WHO
Yes, but the United States doesn't have any vaccination requirements to enter (just negative tests), which is the point you're missing....
For a Celebrity Cruise ship departing US ports, CDC or WHO approved vaccination protocols are accepted to be considered fully vaccinated on board. There may be specific ports of call that do not allow specific vaccination protocols, and passengers who don't have the appropriate papers wont be able to leave the ship at that specific port of call.-
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47 minutes ago, TeeRick said:
It depends on the country you are cruising from and where you are going. If cruising out of the USA, Celebrity will not recognize Sinovac as an approved vaccine regardless of the WHO status. In the EU it is the EMA who generally decides but some countries accept Sinovac and others do not. See this link:
I don't believe your statement is correct. Where are you getting this information? The Celebrity FAQs say that for cruises from the United States, CDC and WHO approved vaccinations are acceptable, and Sinovac is WHO approvied. (Sputnik and Cansino are not)
https://www.celebritycruises.com/healthy-at-sea/faqs
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Success!
I got confirmation from Celebrity (via email) that they consider AZD1222 AstraZeneca the same as AZD1222 Covishield, and NOT a mixed dose. Small win, but for my case the difference between going and not going.
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Hello Everyone,
Please Note that AstraZeneca and Covishield are one in the same – both are AstraZeneca. This combination is NOT considered a mixed dose and is accepted for sailing so long as the guest is fully vaccinated and received their second dose at least 14 days prior to sailing.
XXXX XXXXX
Celebrity Cruises Reservation Representative
Celebrity Cruises | Trade Sales & Support
email: XXXX@celebrity.com
Consumer Website: http://www.celebritycruises.com
Travel Partner Website: http://www.cruisingpower.com
Servicing Phone Number: 800-437-3111-
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>>Celebrity requiring all passengers 12+ to show proof of vaccine in defiance of FL Law?
I know, isn't it great?
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Some slightly good news on this. I just received confirmation from Celebrity that they consider AstraZeneca branded AZD1222 as one and the same as Covishield branded AZD1222 and that Covishield+AZ is not considered a mixed dose. Don't know how many that may apply to here, but it's a small win.
(for what it's worth, but the WHO and the FDA consider them interchangeable as well, and I'll be taking printouts from the FDA, from the WHO and a copy of the email they just sent me)
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For those with mixed AZD1222 (AstraZeneca/Covishield/Vaxzevria), I'd like to offer up the following good news email I just received from Celebrity:
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Hello Everyone,
Please Note that AstraZeneca and Covishield are one in the same – both are AstraZeneca. This combination is NOT considered a mixed dose and is accepted for sailing so long as the guest is fully vaccinated and received their second dose at least 14 days prior to sailing.
xxx xxxx
Celebrity Cruises Reservation Representative
Celebrity Cruises | Trade Sales & Support
email: xxxx@celebrity.com
Consumer Website: http://www.celebritycruises.com
Travel Partner Website: http://www.cruisingpower.com
Servicing Phone Number: 800-437-3111-
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CAN I FLY ON AIR CANADA FLIGHT TO FORT LAUDERDALE WITH AN ANTIGEN TEST INSTEAD OF PCR TEST
in Canadian Cruisers
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Annoying isn't it. Cheapest is $70 in BC too. Only ON and AB seem to have cheap tests from the major retailers (SDM,Walmart,Costco)