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17 hours ago, grapau27 said:
Even with the vaccines P&O are saying that you must not have been told to isolate before the staycation cruise by being in close contact with anyone who is covid19 positive.
Graham.
I don't think this requirement will chance until after Septembers boosters have been given out. Then I expect things to relax a bit for 2022
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for some of us 2 doses of the vaccine and even the 3rd booster in the summer is unlikely to give us much, if any, protection. However, most of us in that position know this (Any one who has had a leukemia in the past or some other blood cancers along with anyone who has had a transplant are in this situation) Initial studies show 13% efficacy dropping over time to 8% Some other autoimmune disorders including T1D & Lupus) are also now looking like they don't respond to the vaccines as well studies showing the 35-65% efficacy depending on age and condition, all be it better than the first groups I mentioned). We are waiting the next study "Octave" for more info. And there is work ongoing on an antibody vaccine which if it works will be a 6 monthly booster for people in my position. But testing will not be complete until end of 21 early 22.
The only solution is we will have to adapt out behaviour accordingly, My consultants have still got me in shielding until they say otherwise, hopefully by end of May. We just bought a brand new caravan (as not allowed near any mold risk so couldn't risk a 2nd hand one) and are now looking at cruises again in 2023. The same risk analysis will apply to hotels and indoor dining one I am freed from shielding.
11 hours ago, wowzz said:And no different to going to a hotel in the UK, where the majority of the young staff will not have been vaccinated.
Surely, if you have had two injections, you can be fairly confident that you will not contract CV19.
Given how many people are booking hotel holidays in the UK this summer, I'm not sure why there is such an issue with unvaccinated staff on a ship.
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Not sure what Greenock will make of this.
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what is used for other countries that require proof of vaccine - yellow fever etc.
A doctors letter seems the easiest thing in the world to forge. surely it can't be that? On saying that that's what we used to carry about for my daughter when insulin pumps first came out to show she could not go through an airport scanner and to explain carrying needles.
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18 hours ago, nosapphire said:
I tried the NHS app.
Three attempts to set up (all my fault - I'm new to this) 2 days waiting for confirmation that I had passed the security checks (they were busy).
Success at last - logged in, and discovered...... all it does it link you to your GP practice, which I already have online access to.
And in the case of our GP practice, what you are allowed to see is very, very, very limited.
You can order repeat prescription, see when the next medication review is (but not what the review results are) and book GP appointments (but not with the nurse, and not since the first lockdown started).
There is not even a section - anywhere - for vaccinations, flu, covid or otherwise.
No other records available at all.
There is a vast range of online systems for GP practices, they are apparently not compatible with each other, the NHS log-in did surprise me as I thought after going through all that security it might show a bit more information - such as my covid vaccination, carried out at an NHS hub, not the GP surgery.
So in my case, using the current information on the NHS app as proof of vaccination is not going to work unless and until they add a section for vaccinations.
Better not lose that card, then.... sigh.
Are you in Scotland if so there is no intension to add any further info. This is all it is going to do for the foreseeable future. Also no cards given out at vaccinations to anyone I know (covering many areas of Scotland). No idea how we will prove vaccination except with a doctors letter at £50 to us and driving the GP surgery bonkers for requests.
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1 minute ago, fragilek said:
The UK is doing a max of 12 weeks between shots. On average about 9-10 weeks. For the majority of people this is optimal as their vaccine is AZ one and has better efficacy with an 8-12 weeks lag as expected for a AD based vaccine. However, with Pfizer this is outside the manufactures recommended lag so it is a bit of a leap of faith.
There is no shortage of the vaccine here at the moment, the reasoning is to get as many people vaccinated as possible. Yesterday they got 844,285 shots done. And now more than half of the Adult population has had at least 1 vaccine shot
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37 minutes ago, Gracie115 said:
Pretty sure most of Canada is doing what the UK is doing....getting as many as possible the first shot before getting the 2nd one. UK is saying something like 6 months till the 2nd one.
The UK is doing a max of 12 weeks between shots. On average about 9-10 weeks. For the majority of people this is optimal as their vaccine is AZ one and has better efficacy with an 8-12 weeks lag as expected for a AD based vaccine. However, with Pfizer this is outside the manufactures recommended lag so it is a bit of a leap of faith.
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48 minutes ago, Adawn47 said:
I can do the same with our surgery. There is however, a way to request access online to our medical records, but I don't think I'd want to look at them. I'm a bit of an ostrich in that respect, and anything that is important for me to know my excellent doctor will tell me.
Avril
3 minutes ago, Tipsy252 said:Had my first vaccine yesterday and when you receive the vaccine they give you a card with the type of vaccine (AZ or Pfizer), batch number and the date administered. This is your proof of vaccine. However it is NOT a vaccine passport, as the UK government have not agreed to provide this. So for travel either this vaccination card or a more formal "passport" is likely to be required.
So far I don't know anyone in Scotland with a card of any sort. 14 in my direct family from all different areas in Scotland - all either got a letter or phone call to attend and on the day no cards just a booklet re what to expect.
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We can request a copy but not online. This won't actually affect me directly (I was just posting to show there is an issue for some re proof).
It will be a while before I can cruise again (Unfortunately I am one of the people the vaccine is unlikely to work on) I need to wait for the next phase of vaccines, the antibody vaccine, which is undergoing trials at the minute but won't be available until oct at the earliest.
Even then I am not sure I will get the docs OK to cruise again until at EU is out of all of this. Then who knows what my insurance will be - It was £390 for 2 weeks worldwide with a £500 excess for any claim related to my know conditions 😲
I am just on the forum to plan ahead for late 2022 or early 2023. I just need another cruise to focus on lol
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37 minutes ago, Fouremco said:
Passengers under 18 years of age do not have to be vaccinated, they only require the negative PCR test. Given the current lack of approved vaccines for children under 18, Celebrity has perhaps understandably chosen a somewhat riskier approach in order to maximize its potential passenger base. I wonder how many of the CC members who have posted in a number of current threads that they would not cruise unless ALL passengers and crew members were vaccinated will view these cruises as a non-starter for themselves.
As far as I know, these cruises are not limited to US residents. Consequently, you need to consider international databases, and I don't see that happening. Many (most?) countries don't have a national vaccination database, let alone one that can be accessed by Celebrity. But your question of what type of proof will be required is an excellent one, and one of many questions to which Celebrity has yet to provide answers.
Got the Celebrity email in Scotland - we don't have any proof of Vaccination at all. We just get either a letter or a phone call to go get it. I only had the phone call. So not sure how we can provide proof, The doctors have made it clear they do not want to be writing individual letters for each person wrt travel re vax status. But as yet no resolution.
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3 hours ago, the english lady said:
we have patient access as well..thing is I have a smart phone and I'm not smart. I think they are 2 separate things. Does patient access give you the ability to order repeat prescriptions?
Yes I can order repeat prescriptions and books doctors appointments. But it does not link to health any other health data.
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1 minute ago, Bazrat said:
Reminds me when I had my eye operation they actually told me I could use my phone on the ward, than in a&e with my father-in-law no mobile internet inside the building
There was no phone reception in my room 😬
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1 hour ago, Bazrat said:
You was lucky our local hospital uses a private company you just get 20 minutes free than you pay
I was in for 7 months in a room on my own. I would have gone mad without WIFI, Meant I could stay in contact with m family. Visits were very very restricted as I too ill.
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Just now, cruisenewbie1976 said:
I don't think anyone is giving a cast iron guarantee that covid won't find it's way on board. The same as there's no guarantee that it won't be at the table next to you in a pub or shopping next to you in Tesco. But all of the procedures in place reduce the risk as much as is possible. Then it's up to individuals to decide if that risk is acceptable to them.
Agreed - I was just pointing out the heard immunity protection theory can't be applied to the ship until the crew are vaccinated. As it will get on board no matter what precautions are taken but if everyone including the crew were vaccinated this would be less of an issue than it has the potential to become with an unvaccinated crew.
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5 minutes ago, wowzz said:
Not if the crew have previously been quarantined and subsequently tested negative.
That won't really work if someone brings the virus onboard. testing has inbuilt flaws for this.
PCR more accurate - but needs to be done days ahead thus there is a gap where virus could be picked up between test and boarding
LFT - could be done at boarding but not accurate enough to protect a ship
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9 hours ago, cruisenewbie1976 said:
But when you're on a ship full of vaccinated people, you've also got to consider the overall protective effect too. The vaccine might not be 100% effective but you've still got to have someone to catch it off. And if the vaccine has prevented most of those people being able to catch covid or even just reduced their viral load, then those people who are still more susceptible are still unlikely to be able to get it (this is herd immunity!). Obviously more risk when you've got a larger number of unvaccinated people.
That could apply but the crew would need to be vaccinated, as yet I have heard that that is not the case
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10 hours ago, seapals2 said:
We have spent most of the day off and on talking about this topic. Do we ... don't we .. million dollar question. Think we have decided to wait and see what Princess bring out as they have promised similar short UK cruises. Below are the topics that came to mind today.
We feel its to all intents and purpose they are test cruises. If we sail we will be the Guinea pigs for later sailings and at quite a high price given the short duration on the early Britannia sailings with no option to do back to back.
Presumably they will save on luggage handling with most passengers opting to do carry on. This will save some time that will be needed for the additional testing and form checking. Even at reduced numbers this will be a lengthy process.
Vaccines have been shown to be around 85% efficient. However this then means for every 100 passengers 15 are at risk of getting ill. Hopefully protected against serious illness but never the less requiring quarantine. Some may even need to be put ashore. As yet there is no simple anti body test. you just don't know if you will be in the unlucky 15%.
Trying to imagine sitting watching a show wearing a mask. We love the Sanctuary/retreat area but that would be weather permitting and right there is our biggest dilemma. What if we were unlucky and got 3/4 wet days.
On the plus side just to imagine walking up the gangway again. Oh bliss.
The jury is still out!
And many people will not even know that they have some underlying health condition that could impact effectiveness. Here is the latest data for effectiveness for some conditions
Blood cancers (even in remission) 13% after 28 days vax 1 falls to 8% if vax delayed (2nd vax seemed to suggest a vast improvement but worry is that the delay 2nd vax will not work for many in this cohort (for people like me No lymphocytes any of todays vaccines are very unlikely to work. We await the next type in trial at the moment that will involve actually giving us antibodies. The aim for this type is Autumn. Solid cancers 35% falls to 30% effectiveness. Other autoimmune (lupus etc) 25-35 %. A larger study is now underway Octave Study. I am part of this one. Another unrelated study has shown that sever disease is also still more likely in diabetics ( I only got the summary of the study and it did not separate out the different types of diabetes) even after 2nd vaccine
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26 minutes ago, Eglesbrech said:
Very true re the travel situation.
I,m not attracted to these cruises anyway (but good luck to those who are and I look forward to hearing all about them) but I couldn’t book one with any confidence anyway given the lack of information about when we can travel.
I wonder if the lack of a vaccine cards up here was deliberate or just incidental, it is effectively one more obstacle to travel if companies accept the cards as proof. I have kept the contents of the “blue envelope’ as the only proof I have. I agree GPS are not going to be happy to have lots of requests for this if and when travel is allowed.
Don't even have that as we got our vaccines after a call from our local surgery. All I have is the gov text saying I will be contacted in group 4
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7 minutes ago, Snow Hill said:
Might be referring to the MyGP app for which you will need a smartphone which not everyone has.
We have a different system in Scotland called Patient Access the vaccine details are not on that.
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is this the same app as test and trace NHS app? If so there is no vaccine info on the Scottish version
11 minutes ago, the english lady said:The details are also recorded on your health records. If you have the NHS appt you will see it on there a few days later. People lose or forge the cards, so you just open your app and it will show you have had it on there. Ofcourse if it doesnt show that ,then you havent.
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I was just pointing this out - I have no intension of being on any ship until at least the end of 2022
2 hours ago, upwarduk said:Interesting to read that. you have to provide proof, so at the moment it has to be the card you were issued with when the vaccine was administered, as GOV.UK hasn’t yet decided on the vaccination passport.
Also that you MAY have to have a negative COVID-19 test, but that will be done at P&Os expense.
No cards issued here in Scotland. I have nothing at all to prove I have had the vaccine. It will be on my medical records that is all
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2 hours ago, upwarduk said:
Interesting to read that. you have to provide proof, so at the moment it has to be the card you were issued with when the vaccine was administered, as GOV.UK hasn’t yet decided on the vaccination passport.
Also that you MAY have to have a negative COVID-19 test, but that will be done at P&Os expense.
No cards issued here in Scotland. I have nothing at all to prove I have had the vaccine. It will be on my medical records that is all
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both times the EU countries have made a statement down talking the AZ vaccine has been after AZ have told them bad new re delivery schedules. Beginning to look like tit-for-tat
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21 minutes ago, Beckett said:
No need to apologise and, if I'm being honest, my reply was less than friendly. Our posts are interesting though because here we see two sides of the coin: me wanting to do something nice and take two youngsters on a nice little escape after the horrible year they've had, and you having valid concerns about children from all over the country mingling without vaccine cover. You're right - it could be a melting pot. I, on the other hand, would worry about un-vaccinated passengers and crew passing on the virus to the kids. Nightmare! Do look out for an adults only version though because it could be the answer to your worries.
nice too see a discussion on a forum where the participants can see the other point of view. Personally I think what happens over the next few weeks/month re schools wrt infection rates will play a big part in the nest steps the cruise lines will take wrt kids
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Although I don't disagree with the fact they are companies with shareholders thus need to make a profit, I do think people forget how much money it takes to bring a drug to market. I worked for one of the biggest drug companies and in research and development in the UK we had >5000 staff on site. For that number of people working, in my 20 yrs there we got 5 drugs from initial target to on the market. That doesn't include the people working on site running trials or those in the manufacturing process after approval which was undertaken elsewhere.