littlelulu01

Less than 20 years ago ncl was in danger of a Carnival takeover.  They had some junk bonds due to Carnival and sold a couple ships and made good on the bonds/avoiding the hostile takeover.  
 

What they’re doing right now makes sense.  They’re one of many companies that raise $ this way.  I know Del Rio is someone to villanize but sounds to me like he’s showing us why he’s in charge.  I remember reading how much these guys are paid in stock. I’d guess he has a strong desire to keep the business afloat and successful.  
 

I have faith that the cruise industry will be different but survive and our economy isn’t on the verge of utter collapse. This virus is nasty but we’re intelligent enough to overcome the obstacles it’s posing.  I know Noro isn’t as deadly as covid-19 but cruise lines wouldn’t survive if you had a great chance of catching noro onboard.  They figured ways to keep noro at bay and they’ll do the same with Covid-19. 

48 minutes ago, Drummer72 said:

PEOPLE this was a SEC filing. Not a press release.  Frank Del Rio & Genting will not let this happen.  

 

They will secure the loans they need to carry them into 2021.  The SEC filing is just a way to try and stay off paying debt. 

 

You guys read the headline and drink the “Kool Aid” every time.  NCL will survive this.  If they do not.  No cruise line can survive. another word it too big to fail.

 

Most likely outcome is a PEF (private equity firm) will make a bid for a controlling preferred stock takeover. Then it’s business as usual.

 

Does Genting HK and Apollo even have stake in NCLH anymore?  Regardless I can see another big player coming into the picture. 
 

I ended up buying some stock when it first went into the $7’s.  It’s been fun playing with it.  A person could have tripled the investment with the wild swings.  More fun than just reading the news.  I know it’s risky and no different than gambling and but it has actually made me $. 

Me too.  I’ve always had wonderful cruises on Ncl’s ships.  I do prefer their smaller ships and I’m not big on the shows, smokey casinos and mass gathering events onboard.  I’m more about watching the sea, relaxing, and the ports.  I think there’s a lot of similar people who will be happy to resume cruising with more social distancing less pool parties and less tolerance for obvious sick people spreading viruses. I think ncl will need to figure ways to make money with potentially less crowded ships, which I’ll likely complain about but accept.  I see costs for everything going up. I was happy to lock in a mid and late 2021 sailing and will also place a deposit on a 2022 now that they’re out.  I went ahead and got insurance plans too. Figure those won’t be getting any less expensive  or exclusionary in the coming months/years. 

10 hours ago, FLAHAM said:

 

The latest 2021 sailing for the Jewel in Australia/New Zealand that I see is February.  

Sorry had my years mixed up.  The 19 night in February 2021 was the longer sailing I was thinking of.  The suite prices are too high for me on that one but it looks like an excellent sailing. Getaway had some 10 & 11 night fall 2021 that are a little more reasonable. I personally prefer the Jewel class ships but did place a fcc on the Getaway Europe fall 2021. I figure at least I’m getting my previous fcc’s and cruise nexts parked on something tangible on paper.  Gives me something travel wise to look forward to without spending more money. The Jewel 11 night Hawaii to Vancouver April, 2021 looks like a great itinerary too and one that might actually happen. 

53 minutes ago, BirdTravels said:

It is not 20% off a cruise. It is 20% of the value of the cruise that was cancelled (in the past).

 

So if the cruise you cancelled cost $1000, you get a $200 additional FCC.

 

You can use the $1000+$200 = $1200 on a $1500 cruise or a $5000 cruise, it still is only $1200.  

Perhaps your terms are different but I received  20% off future cruise fares in addition to the 125% fcc’s from the canceled cruise. 
 

Using your example of a $1000 canceled cruise:  the fcc’s are $1000 plus an additional 25% or $250 fcc.  Some closer in cancellations received a 150%  fcc.  Mine was a 3/29/20 sailing and qualified for the 125%. 

Again using your example: The 20% discount on a $1500 future sailing reduces that fare to $1200.  The 25% ($250)  fcc from canceled 1k sailing further reduces the fare to $950. The 1k original fare from cancellation is then credited to the sailing as a payment bringing the total fare owed of $0.  A future sailing of 5k is initially reduced by 20% to 4K and then the fcc’s are applied. 
 

I booked a couple far off sailings in more expensive suites to take advantage of the 20%. Got the 20% off the top and then used the fcc’s.  
 

There’s some longer sailings available in late 2021 for Australia/New Zealand on the Jewel. 

Ymmv but I didn’t get a double credit.  I used a pre covid  fcc to book a March 29 canceled sailing. My 125% was based on the $ spent above and beyond the cn’s and fcc’s. My pcc was finally able to get me squared away and rebooked on a haven suite with no cash outlay. The ncl pcc can see that the fccs and cn’s  are going to come back at some point but with all the additional cancellations it’ll be a while. The 20% discount, 125% fccs along with previous issued  fcc’s and cruise nexts got me down to a great deal on a more desirable replacement sailing. A little patience paid off and at least I’ve got a great sailing to look forward to this time next year. 

5 hours ago, Sand and Seas said:

I'm still waiting for my FCC email.  My DH received his early on April 3rd.  

I'm mainly concerned about the return of my two Cruise Next certificates.  Our cruise was to start yesterday so I was hopeful they would finally be put back in MYNCL today.

 

Is anyone else still waiting to receive their Cruise Next deposits back?

I’m waiting on two Haven cruise next returns from my March 29th sailing.  Still no fcc either.  Ta said to check back mid April.  husband received an initial email mid March with some pretty off the $ mark credits.  He also initially had a $250 cruise next put back in his account which all have since disappeared.   I think it’s just taking a while to get sorted out.  I was initially offered a 20% off rebook if done before 4/10.  I think that’s been extended till 4/14 so hopefully we’ll get the proper credits before that deadline. I think ours might be taking a little longer to process because I booked with (2) previous fcc’s and (2) Haven cruise next deposits.  

I was notified on 3/13/20 that my 3/29/20 sailing was canceled. I’ve yet to see anything in my account or on my cc.   My pcc says I now have one $250 cruise next.  I had used (2) $500 Haven cruise nexts to book along with cash and fcc’s from a previous mishap.  My husband’s “my ncl” has zero fcc ... and  it’s not showing him booked on the sailing. My account still shows me as booked and departing today.  Pretty frustrated because I could not get the correct proof of cancellation in time so was denied  a refund /credit on my independent insurance policy. I did eventually get ahold of the ta and they said ncl was working on it- just never happened in time for insurance refund. My pcc  suggested I give ncl another $1500 Haven deposit to secure my next sailing and then apply the fcc and cruise nexts, refunds.... when they get around to straightening things out.  I politely declined.  Hopefully they’ll get things straight someday and will succeed as a company. 

3 hours ago, julig22 said:

I believe that the TA's get to keep their commission so they really have no ethical reason to keep any fees.  If they offered OBC ask for that back (I think they buy certificates).  Good luck.

So some good news to report about the travel agency- they actually Called me!  They are not charging the $100 cancellation fee And they’ll refund the $24.99 booking fee.  They said ncl is canceling the sailings and it just takes a while.  They were really  nice and said they’ll call me back when they have more information. 

my biggest gripe is with the travel agency. I used a company that advertises they only do cruises.  They are Loosely affiliated with Some airlines.  They charge  $24.99 processing fee and $100 cancellation fees.  They are definitely not refunding the already charged $24.99 processing fees. Not sure how the $100 ta cancellation penalty will play out but they have the nerve to penalize their customers, provide zero help and zero ability to contact them and still beg for my business. I will never use or recommend Cru....Only to anyone.  If I were them I’d at least have sent me an email letting me know Ncl canceled my sailing.  Obviously I’d have to live in a hole (And ncl did email me about husbands cancellation) to know I’m not going on vacation tomorrow but there’s been zero communication from the ta. When I finally got ahold of them it was a pointless call. They had zero ability to give me any information. No ability to even send me a cancellation invoice I could give to my insurance company. 

I’m currently giving them a benefit of the doubt.  Some pretty unprecedented crap.  Worst case- I didn’t get my vacation and was out the $ for it.  It was $ already spent.  Best case?  They pull through and I can sail with them again and get my fcc’s towards a very nice vacation after all this is over.  I don’t always understand how they charge and credit my on board account and used to get upset about it but they always seem to get it right by the end of the sailing.  I’m hopeful this will work out the same way - just take a little time to sort out. 

I also used fcc from a previous sailing.  Two $1500 fcc along with two Haven cruise nexts.  To complicate matters more the travel agency was impossible to reach.  My ncl pcc was able to see that I was refunded (1) $250 cruise next. The (2) $500 Haven cruise nexts have disappeared along with the $3k in previous given fccs.  Husband was refunded a strange random amount as a fcc-something like $757.21 (nowhere near any amount we actually paid oop) and then a 25% additional fcc.  We had purchased shore excursions, package upgrades... on the sailing which are Someday coming back to us in theory. The only thing I can do is hope they will sort it out someday.  A bummer about this is the time taking.  I would have been eligible to request a refund for travel insurance if I could provide proof of cancellation and 100% refund prior to departure for my trip.  I had everything (Husband Cruise cancellation, our airfare). My Ncl account has me departing in my Haven Suite in 4 days and my sailing is still on so I didn’t meet the requirement from the insurance company to get the refund proof prior to trip/flight commenced.  Instead I’ll be working as an essential in health care praying I stay healthy.  I’d also be happy with any fraction of a credit but I’m not Counting on anything except my blessings that I didn’t take that flight and get on that ship. 

There’s a lot of things in life that are different right now. Hopefully the cruise lines will be back to normal soon and we can go back to complaining about the simple stuff like 100% vs 125% fcc’s and the lobsters or lack of. 

I went ahead with 100 shares.  The way I see it, an extra $720 is not much in comparison to my future cruise credits ncl is holding for me.  I want them to make it.  Coronavirus on a ship is just more identifiable but It’s going to be everywhere and as soon as we get over this initial hump of flooding the hospitals, the curve will flatten and we will get back to a little more normalcy, including ability to take vacations, travel and go on cruises.  Businesses that can hang on will be ok.  It might take a while but we’re going to be ok. 

15 minutes ago, cdngirl4 said:

On having a previous FCC, you do not need to go through the TA to rebook.  NCL does not show it on your account, so you have to keep track of it.  You need to call directly to find out about it and to use it.

When we booked (there were 3 of us, so we did a conference call), the rep was very helpful and it was very smooth. 

I did prefer that to the TA who seemed to struggle with requests (such as split the payment evenly between 3 credit cards) and not understanding how to read or track the NCL payment history (our case got pretty complicated - and it just got complicated again!)

Thanks.  That is valuable information.  When I first booked my ta also struggled but would at least attempt.  The last couple months zero ability to reach.  It’s not worth the obc or dsc to give up ability to call ncl and speak with a knowledgeable pcc, which I’m lucky to have. I used two Haven cruise nexts on my booking.  The cost is $750 but 1k off fare. Interested in how those will be returned 

I’m taking the fcc 125%.  Hope we have a certain time in which to book.  Don’t see anything within $ range of what we had but I’m sure something will come along if we have time to decide which sailing.
 

My main concern is the travel agent I booked with.  They have been a terrible choice and I will probably just take the $ if I have to deal with this ta for rebooking. I want to deal directly with ncl next time.  
 

I’m thankful ncl decided to cancel, and I want them to make it through this crisis.  They’re my favorite cruise line. 

23 minutes ago, MoniMommy said:

🤣

So much hunch is wrong.  Perhaps they’re not wanting to sail full for infection control purposes?  Our governor just enacted a 250 Person maximum event gathering. Ships might still be able to sail if they have ability to separate passengers from each other? 

I’d be willing to take my FCC in stock trade.     

Price of sailings increased considerably today.  1/2 off tomorrow?  

Seeing it in teens today. Yikes! 

1 minute ago, seemoreroyals said:

I think you are off on your decimal points by a couple of places.  Assuming 300,000,000 US population ( actually 328 million ) and 20% require hospitalization and ICU that is 60,000,000 people.

You’re right. I’m sorry. 

15 minutes ago, seemoreroyals said:

 

The 2.9 million mentioned assumes we have a severe outbreak.  They did not say what the probability of a severe versus a moderate versus a mild outbreak would be,  I guess all we can hope for at this point is a mild outbreak and a gradual tapering off.

Yeah I’m still not buying 2.9 million actually in icu.  If 100 percent of the USA population got Coronavirus, and 20 percent require hospitalization and all of the hospitalized require ICU, we’re still under a million. 200 - 600k in the hospital with this virus will be quite horrible on it’s own though. 

41 minutes ago, seemoreroyals said:

I watched the CNN 2 hour special last night on coronavirus. One thing they talked quite a bit about was testing.  Once testing becomes more readily available who pays for testing?  How much per test?  The scenario they are expecting is not a pretty picture.  If we end up with a moderate or severe outcome from this,  medical experts are expecting 38 million people in our country needing medical care, anywhere from 1 million to 9.6 million requiring hospitalization, and from 200,000 to 2.9 million needing ICU.

There’s 327 million total in the United States. Not everyone will get it.  Of those who do get it only 20% will be sick enough to require hospitalization.  I don’t think 2.9 million in icu is an accurate number.  
 

The World Health Organization has said countries that are trying to control the spread are having success in doing so.  That’s the most positive news I’ve read.
 

Washington state press conference yesterday a woman from department of health said not everyone will be tested who has symptoms.  There’s no treatment yet so the main approach is self quarantine when symptoms present and slowing the spread with proper infection control, social distancing (6 feet from others) and avoid large public gatherings... the governor isn’t canceling large events.  He said it’s best that the businesses and public make the decisions for now.  
 

Going on a cruise is against everything recommend to stop the spread. I mean you don’t hear anyone except a few people on this board saying, hey I have a great idea, let’s hop on a ship where we’re elbow to elbow with thousands of strangers, some of who just flew in from an area of outbreak, and visit lots of places. What can go wrong? 
 

Best case scenario imo is ncl let’s me use the future cruise credits and at least part of non refundable fare towards a future sailing kinda like what the airlines are doing.  I’m in 100% penalty on my Mexican Rivera sailing later this month.  We are not going to be on the ship.  Also not canceling because no benefit. The ships can’t afford to sail empty.  They make $ from booked passengers.  If over half the paid passengers are a no show it’s not good for ncl.  

Sounds like not everyone with symptoms will get tested here in Washington State per the press conference with the governor.  There’s no treatment and the best thing one can do is self quarantine if sick, practice good infection control, and stay 6 feet away from others in an attempt not to become ill.  
 

As far as canceling our sailing and airfare end of this month- still no point.  There’s no refund so why even bother.  I guess at this point that small sliver of hope is gone.  I went ahead and withdrew bid for upgrade advantage to the dos, removed the dining, beverage package and all pre pays.  Sad situation. I was really looking forward to a fun, relaxing and warm weather vacation in the Haven. 

53 minutes ago, Vyhanek said:

I think Coronavirus is on the ships.     I think its inevitable with so much of the crew being asian.    

 

Im just off the Pearl, cruising in the Caribbean.    There was a lot of coughing......a lot.   Is it Corona?    I don't know but there was something that swept the ship.   I wouldn't be surprised if in the next week or two its revealed that there is an issue.      Its going to be an issue with all ships who employ people from Asia.  

 

These employees worked the holiday busy season on the ships and then the ship lets a lot of them go on their yearly break in January because its less busy.    Now that it's late February they are returning back to the ships from their vacations back home.    I really wouldn't be surprised.

You should definitely read Ncl’s travel advisory.  It outlines who and who is not/has not been allowed onboard.  Terrible idea to start assumptions based off zero facts.  IF there is community spread here in USA, see cdc for information on this, THeN ship staff can potentially get sick from us passengers.   With a highly contagious new virus with no known treatment, the status of the spread is evolving as we speak.  I live in Washington state.  I’ll Ask you same time next week if u want to stand in line with me in an enclosed room upon embarkation on a  ship.