Dice Setting

[jetwet1]

The dice on a craps table are tested for perfect balance before being put into play.If one die were to get chipped even a tiny bit it would not meet the allowed specs for balance.

 

That is true, we use what is called a micrometer, a very fine measuring tool, before the set of dice are put on to a game they are checked to make sure they fit within the casinos guide lines.

 

In our case it's with 3/1000 of an inch on all sides.

 

If a die is damaged the whole set is pulled from the game and canceled, a new set is put into play.

 

However spotting the damage takes a keen eye, unless it happens to go off the table, when that happens it is put under a lot more scrutiny then at normal times.

[evergladesgator]

Jetwet,

Get real !!! I think the smoke in the casino has gotten to what's left of your brain. Talk about being funny(keeping it mild). Yeah sure in all the years i've been shootin craps, i can count the HIGH ROLLERS that are at the Five dollar table on one hand. I guess your one of the dealers that could gas less about what's going on at the table, just passing time waiting to collect your pay check cause y'all know the casino can't say anything cause y'all got that union backing up all the other dead beats with that i'm so happy here i could just s--t attitude. Seen so many of your type over the years. Make me sick. Don't know why people stay in a job they don't care to do.

[LSTEFFA]

Jetwet,

Get real !!! I think the smoke in the casino has gotten to what's left of your brain. Talk about being funny(keeping it mild). Yeah sure in all the years i've been shootin craps, i can count the HIGH ROLLERS that are at the Five dollar table on one hand. I guess your one of the dealers that could gas less about what's going on at the table, just passing time waiting to collect your pay check cause y'all know the casino can't say anything cause y'all got that union backing up all the other dead beats with that i'm so happy here i could just s--t attitude. Seen so many of your type over the years. Make me sick. Don't know why people stay in a job they don't care to do.

Guess you are having a bad day (or month).....BTW..Did you kick the dog today??

[evergladesgator]

Nah,

When i got up i saw daylight :). Was a good day. Just my input of what i have seen over the years. Nothing personal. Some tables have been great but too many with the attitude of THEY DON"T PAY ME ENOUGH and i don't really want to be here . Also, anyone that thinks the casino does not care if their losing money at the tables needs a realistic check in life. Oh, by the way . I'm really a nice good ole redneck.:D My hounds come in the house at night when it gets down to 40 degrees or during hurricanes. Ha Ha

[LSTEFFA]

Nah,

When i got up i saw daylight :). Was a good day. Just my input of what i have seen over the years. Nothing personal. Some tables have been great but too many with the attitude of THEY DON"T PAY ME ENOUGH and i don't really want to be here . Also, anyone that thinks the casino does not care if their losing money at the tables needs a realistic check in life. Oh, by the way . I'm really a nice good ole redneck.:D My hounds come in the house at night when it gets down to 40 degrees or during hurricanes. Ha Ha

Lol..Take care of those dogs.Ihave found over the years playing craps that if a player shows class both during hot tables & cold tables, dealers & management reciprocate. I might be "buying" the dealers good will but it sure doesn't hurt making a line bet with odds and an occasional place bet for the boys to get good service.

[jetwet1]

I have found over the years playing craps that if a player shows class both during hot tables & cold tables, dealers & management reciprocate. I might be "buying" the dealers good will but it sure doesn't hurt making a line bet with odds and an occasional place bet for the boys to get good service.

 

Exactly, you can believe me or not, honestly, I don't care, I can tell you that more than once I have gotten calls from players complain about something on a table, I go out to see what is going on, the players are having a riot, I go look at the tape and it shows that everyone is winning and having fun except for one person. Can you guess who complains.

 

I am back to dealing right now (Ok I am also consulting for the place, but don't tell the other dealers that) and right now we are clearing just over $500k a month on the tables, with a few tweaks it should get to around $650k, so you see, in the great scheme of things you winning a couple of grand doesn't matter, there has to be winners, if not nobody would play.

 

High rollers, Ken Mizuno, Jason Oh, Chip Reese, Doyle Brunson plus many more, the one thing they all had in common, they all came to play, win or lose they never gave me a hard time, sure there are some people that think that because they play serious money they can do whatever they like, hell there are $5 players who think they can do what ever they want, the truth is, play the game and all will go fine, start messing around and yes you will get attitude up to and including being handed your walking papers.

[House_of_Payne]

Thank you for the entertaining thread on dice setting! I don't believe in total control but I think influencing the dice a little is possible. Just like bowling a 300 game. Throw the ball the same way, the same speed, over the arrow, follow through, and get the same results.

 

I just got off the NCL Jewel and had a great time setting the dice. I've practice quite a bit and I'm very fast at setting. I always play from stick left 1 or stick right 1 and set them the same. However, I'm not concerned with getting the same exact set on top. For example, I'll set a 4,4 on top and a 5,1 will be up front and a 6,2 will be in the back. However, I'm just as happy with a 5,1 on top, a V 3,3 in back, and a 4,4 up front.

 

I played the entire week with a woman named Linda from Missouri and we had lots of fun. On the second to last nite of the cruise they had a very new, very inexperienced stick that didn't understand what was going on. I was even passed the dice with a seven showing TWICE!! She was slowing the game down, so they moved her to our dealer. We were the only ones at the table and the other end was closed. Linda and I turned 100 into 0 very quickly. They opened up the other end of the table, so we switched ends to get away from her. We then bought in for 100 more and I shot first. Yep, point seven out. She then hit one number and sevened out. I decided that I was all-in and I wasn't digging into the wallet again.

 

I rolled, set a point of nine, placed $34 inside, and was all-in. I told the stick that I needed to hit a place bet to put up my odds. I did. Then I hit another place bet and regressed to 22 inside. Then alternated between pressing and taking the next place bet for quite a while. I made four points and rolled for probably 30 minutes. While I continued to shoot the table completely filled up. When I finally sevened out I had $275 in my rack and way too much left on the table. However, it was still a roll and I decided not to play the last night because I wanted to have my last session be a big (for me) winning session. I don't want to think about how big it would have been if I didn't regress my bets after hitting them the first time.

 

I'm not sure the long roll was because of setting or just random luck. I'm just hoping that I can achieve more than 6 rolls before big red, instead of six. If nothing else it makes me believe that I'm in control and adds to the excitement for me.

 

Thanks for letting me ramble.

[MrCo9]

Ever notice how the back wall has pyramid shaped blocks instead of a flat surface ??? That's a house advantage to insure that the dice roll to their advantage.

Not quite, it's to insure that there is a random outcome to the roll.

 

 

 

Want to know why the casino ALWAYS wins? It's because they get to make up the rules. You can either play by them, or go play by yourself.

[MrCo9]

HHHHHEEEEELLLLLLLLLLOOOOO Jetwet1: Can't let one guy take his time and not another.

Sure you can. If the one is a $100 player and the other is a $5 flea.

[Casino Player]

Sure you can. If the one is a $100 player and the other is a $5 flea.

 

HHHHHEEEEELLLLLLLLLLOOOOO MrCo9: That is extremes. In Atlantic City there is no more $5 Pass Line bet anyway. He was playing multiple red chips. I am a certified green chip bettor.

[jetwet1]

Sure you can. If the one is a $100 player and the other is a $5 flea.

 

 

Correct :p

[evergladesgator]

Ever notice how the back wall has pyramid shaped blocks instead of a flat surface ??? That's a house advantage to insure that the dice roll to their advantage.

Not quite, it's to insure that there is a random outcome to the roll.

 

 

WHAT'S the DIFFERENCE ????????????????????????????????????????????????? Other than a play on words.

[LSTEFFA]

HHHHHEEEEELLLLLLLLLLOOOOO MrCo9: That is extremes. In Atlantic City there is no more $5 Pass Line bet anyway. He was playing multiple red chips. I am a certified green chip bettor.

CP...We want to see your GCB (green chip better) certificate of authenticity.

[MrCo9]

Ever notice how the back wall has pyramid shaped blocks instead of a flat surface ??? That's a house advantage to insure that the dice roll to their advantage.

Not quite, it's to insure that there is a random outcome to the roll.

 

 

WHAT'S the DIFFERENCE ????????????????????????????????????????????????? Other than a play on words.

The only number that is to the casino's advantage after there is a pont is 7. A random roll will produce a 7 one roll out of 6 (On average). If the casino were to somehow be able to change that to 1 in 5 or 1 in 4 that would be to their advantage.

[grod19]

The only number that is to the casino's advantage after there is a pont is 7. A random roll will produce a 7 one roll out of 6 (On average). If the casino were to somehow be able to change that to 1 in 5 or 1 in 4 that would be to their advantage.

 

The pyramids on the back wall are for the exact opposite reason as you stat. They are to ensure that the roll is in fact random. thus causing a 7 one out of 6 rolls on average. The pyramids prevent the shooter from figuring out exactly how to hit a flat wall so that a 7 will occur 1out of 8 times or 1 out of 9. This would increase the player advantage.

[MrCo9]

grod19, look at post #83. I said that already.

[grod19]

grod19, look at post #83. I said that already.

 

sorry i read the posts daily and format my brain at the end of each day so anything older then 24 hours I cant remember.

[Dicenator]

Dice Setting is different than controlled shooting. I see idiots take 2 minutes to set the dice and then pick them up rattle then in their hand and let them fly any which way. They are totally wasting their time and everybody elses at the table.

 

A good dice controller sets the dice. But he sees the way the stickman is bringing them to him and he knows which diceset he is going to use. HW, 3V, 2V, P6, S6 etc and any permutation that he will use. Opposite sides of the dice always add up to 7 so he knows exactly what he has to do to each die before they are in front of him. It should only take 5 to 10 seconds for him to get them the way he wants them.

 

A dice controller wants to hit the wall with every throw and most of the time he does it. Yes even the best will occasionally have a die land flat and die where it lands.

 

I've never gotten heat at a craps table on a cruise ship. Yes they do warn you to hit the wall with your throw but if it only happens occasionally they won't say anything. If it happens throw after throw you will hear quite a bit from them.

 

And yes to your original quesiton concerning does it work. Controlled shooting works. In my case my SRR (sevens to roll ratio) is 9.1. A random roller will average 6.0. That extra 3.1 rolls that I get gives me a big advantage over the house on certain low house edge bets.

 

Dicenator

[ParrothdJH]

Exactly, you can believe me or not, honestly, I don't care, I can tell you that more than once I have gotten calls from players complain about something on a table, I go out to see what is going on, the players are having a riot, I go look at the tape and it shows that everyone is winning and having fun except for one person. Can you guess who complains.

 

I am back to dealing right now (Ok I am also consulting for the place, but don't tell the other dealers that) and right now we are clearing just over $500k a month on the tables, with a few tweaks it should get to around $650k, so you see, in the great scheme of things you winning a couple of grand doesn't matter, there has to be winners, if not nobody would play.

 

High rollers, Ken Mizuno, Jason Oh, Chip Reese, Doyle Brunson plus many more, the one thing they all had in common, they all came to play, win or lose they never gave me a hard time, sure there are some people that think that because they play serious money they can do whatever they like, hell there are $5 players who think they can do what ever they want, the truth is, play the game and all will go fine, start messing around and yes you will get attitude up to and including being handed your walking papers.

Good post. My hosts have told me me more than once they can't tell if I'm winning or losing(without checking my screen) because I've always got a smile and good attitutude. I learned a long time ago you're going to have more losing sessions than winning ones. If you're playing the right side, The only advantage is when you're at a hot table, bet as big as you can, press most bets and get as much money on the table as you can , a cold table you're going to lose no matter how good you are or think you are or what you do. All it takes is one jerk who's losing and can't take to to ruin everyone else at the table'e experience. If you can't stand losing, or tipping, you've got no business playing.

[Yo Eleven]

grod19, look at post #83. I said that already.

Looks like you haven't said much lately. Cat still got your tongue? Muhahahaha! :p

[Mr. Luckytoo]

Ever notice how the back wall has pyramid shaped blocks instead of a flat surface ??? That's a house advantage to insure that the dice roll to their advantage.

Not quite, it's to insure that there is a random outcome to the roll.

 

WHAT'S the DIFFERENCE ????????????????????????????????????????????????? Other than a play on words.

 

If the dice are completely random then you are corect gator - it's just symantics because the house would always have an edge.

 

The pyramids are "supposed" to ensure the randomness of the roll - hence ensuring the house maintains it's edge.

 

A DI attempts to avoid those rubber pyramids in the belief that a small change would shift the odds from favoring the house (in a truly random game) to favoring the player.

[Yo Eleven]

If the dice are completely random then you are corect gator - it's just symantics because the house would always have an edge.

 

The pyramids are "supposed" to ensure the randomness of the roll - hence ensuring the house maintains it's edge.

 

A DI attempts to avoid those rubber pyramids in the belief that a small change would shift the odds from favoring the house (in a truly random game) to favoring the player.

Amen to that!

[Dicenator]

A seasoned Dice Controller tries not to have the dice hit the pyramids. He or she wants the dice to hit the wall at the lower band below the pyramids. The rules for example in Atlantic City, say the dice have to hit the wall, they do not say that they have to hit the pyramids.

 

I don't believe that Nevads has a written set of rules and different casinos can tell you that you have to hit the pyramids and have the dice bounce back some minimum amount of inches.

 

Dicenator

[LaCal]

HHHHHEEEEELLLLLLLLLLOOOOO Yo Eleven: I have not seen someone DESPISE the way I set the dice before I shoot. Although on one cruise when the crew of the Miracle wanted to mess with the way I was shooting other players threatened to leave the table. They stopped messing with me after that. I don't care about time it takes to set and throw the dice. You have a train to catch? Are the tables closing anytime soon? Aren't we on a cruise to have a good time? Why worry about how long it takes to set the dice? Only one casino gave me a hard time about that and I told them I was taking my business elsewhere. Others I'm friendly with don't go there anymore either.

 

Idiots that blow on the dice. I've been told that is not allowed in a casino. However, I've seen some do it and certain casinos allow it. So if the casino allows people to blow on the dice, then, setting the dice is takes even less time than blowing on the dice. Besides, to blow on the dice you must take them off the table. I and many other dice setters don't take the dice off the table.

 

Hey if your setting the dice and Rolling all numbers and making me money then take as long as you want......:D

[Casino Player]

Hey if your setting the dice and Rolling all numbers and making me money then take as long as you want......:D

 

HHHHHEEEEELLLLLLLLLLOOOOO LaCal: I have changed the way that I roll the dice. It has taken me about a year to do that. I roll the dice quicker now. Recently, when in Atlantic City, I started to roll the dice then a another player set a bet down. So I stopped until the players at the far end of the table let there be a clear space for a shooter to roll in without hitting anyone. Dealers didn't object.