tom_uk Posted February 15, 2010 #1 Share Posted February 15, 2010 I've just been checking the itinerary of my cruise on Ventura this spring (N013) - 14 nights W Med. We leave on 22 May and the first port of call is Lisbon the 25th; there are therefore two sea days between leaving Southampton and arriving at Lisbon. I don't know why but in the months between booking the cruise and now I'd come to think that that there was just one sea day at this stage of the cruise. What's the normal experience? - is it generally two sea days to Lisbon from Southampton? Does anyone know how far it is, in fact? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy1978 Posted February 15, 2010 #2 Share Posted February 15, 2010 We had 2 days from Lisbon to Southampton on QV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnthed0g Posted February 15, 2010 #3 Share Posted February 15, 2010 I just looked & it seems they do take 2 days, whenever I have been that way we stopped at Vigo 1st maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beckyfaye-2008 Posted February 15, 2010 #4 Share Posted February 15, 2010 Of all the P&O 14 night Med cruises from Southampton, that I have checked up on, the first 2 days, always seem to be sea days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammydo Posted February 15, 2010 #5 Share Posted February 15, 2010 yes, thats normal, if you don't do a stop off at vigo first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silver service Posted February 15, 2010 #6 Share Posted February 15, 2010 yes 2 whole days at sea, plus that bit of the day of embarcation. it is quite a way down there, and the ship only travels at about 20 miles an hour ---- regards, mike.:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianI Posted February 15, 2010 #7 Share Posted February 15, 2010 One sea day only gets you as far as Vigo Brian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammy12 Posted February 16, 2010 #8 Share Posted February 16, 2010 A little reminder dont forget the bay of biscay,if you get some nice rollers you could find yourself a bit wobbly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slipper of the Yard Posted February 16, 2010 #9 Share Posted February 16, 2010 One sea day only gets you as far as VigoBrian No. We had one sea day between Southampton and Lisbon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnthed0g Posted February 16, 2010 #10 Share Posted February 16, 2010 Found a calculator thing, 849 nautical miles from Southampton to Lisbon it says..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slipper of the Yard Posted February 16, 2010 #11 Share Posted February 16, 2010 Found a calculator thing, 849 nautical miles from Southampton to Lisbon it says..... Easy one single sea day then. In a real ship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom_uk Posted February 16, 2010 Author #12 Share Posted February 16, 2010 OK, let's call it 850 nautical miles (the sums are easier...). Let's also assume that a 'one sea day' passage is actually 36 hours; and a 'two sea day' passage is 60 hours. The two sea day passage requires an average speed of just over 14 knots, and the one sea day passage would be an average speed of just over 23 knots. Then you probably need to allow for the time for the slower passage down Southampton Water, and up the Tagus. So the actual max speed required during the passages will be a bit faster than the averages. Slipper is right: only QM2 could realistically aim to do it in 36 hours. Although other ships have a top speed of about 24 knots, I'm not sure that the lines like to schedule a passage at that speed. And of course any delay - bad weather in the Bay, for example - would mean that the ship would be late arriving. A 48-hour passage would be do-able, however - that would require an average speed of about just under 18 knots, or a max speed of around 20 knots, I imagine. That would allow an overnight in Lisbon, which I can't help thinking would be fun. It's a pity that P&O don't do that. We had an overnight call in Madeira on our Canary Islands cruise in 2008, and that was very enjoyable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnthed0g Posted February 16, 2010 #13 Share Posted February 16, 2010 So 5pm one day to 5pm next day (sea day) 24 hours + say 15 is about 8am thats 39 hours...call it 40hours at 20 knots..'bout it 800 miles but flat out , which ship did you have in mind? QE2 was quick.... Post crossed with Tom... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slipper of the Yard Posted February 16, 2010 #14 Share Posted February 16, 2010 So 5pm one day to 5pm next day (sea day) 24 hours + say 15 is about 8am thats 39 hours...call it 40hours at 20 knots..'bout it 800 miles but flat out , which ship did you have in mind? QE2 was quick....Post crossed with Tom... Well, not QM2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnthed0g Posted February 16, 2010 #15 Share Posted February 16, 2010 Anyway the original question was "is it usual" I don't think it is usual, possible though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ovccruiser Posted February 17, 2010 #16 Share Posted February 17, 2010 Most cruise ship will travel at about 22kts or so flat out with a cruising speed of about 18 or so kts. 849 nautical miles at 18 kts is 48 hours. Now the ship will not normally arrive at 5:00pm so it cannot gain 9 hours to arrive in the morning so it will probably slow to around 14 kts to arrive 7:00am ish. To di it with one sea day, the ship will need to sail at over 22kts. Ships like QM2 would have no problem but as said normal cruise ships would be flat out at 22kts and probably not very comfy for the passengers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom_uk Posted February 18, 2010 Author #17 Share Posted February 18, 2010 Just to keep flogging a dead horse, I see that once or twice a year Aurora gets from Southampton to Malaga with two intervening sea days - that's quite a bit further than Lisbon, of course. John, where did you find the information about sea distances? I'd be interested in finding out the lengths of some of the standard passages. Southampton to Malaga would be one, Gibralter to Southampton would be another, or indeed the passage that Aurora generally makes after the Malaga call: Malaga to Korcula. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thranite Posted February 18, 2010 #18 Share Posted February 18, 2010 Just to keep flogging a dead horse, I see that once or twice a year Aurora gets from Southampton to Malaga with two intervening sea days - that's quite a bit further than Lisbon, of course. John, where did you find the information about sea distances? I'd be interested in finding out the lengths of some of the standard passages. Southampton to Malaga would be one, Gibralter to Southampton would be another, or indeed the passage that Aurora generally makes after the Malaga call: Malaga to Korcula. Aurora and Oriana are faster than the Grand Class barges and they really can't be considered in the same category in respect of hull design or propulsion as any of the others in the current fleet. Amongst the others, Arcadia copes better by virtue of her pre-P&O Cunard requirement. You wil get passage details at www dot distances dot com. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom_uk Posted February 18, 2010 Author #19 Share Posted February 18, 2010 Aurora and Oriana are faster than the Grand Class barges and they really can't be considered in the same category in respect of hull design or propulsion as any of the others in the current fleet. Amongst the others, Arcadia copes better by virtue of her pre-P&O Cunard requirement. You wil get passage details at www dot distances dot com. :) Thanks for the information re. the distances website. I see that Southampton to Malaga is 1200 nautical miles, and Malaga to Dubrovnik (they don't have an entry for Korkula) is just over 1300 nautical miles. Assuming 60 hours elapsed time, both of these passages would require an average speed of over 20 knots and a maximum speed higher than that. On the subject of maximum speeds, I see that Aurora has a max of 25 knots, Oriana 24 knots and the Grand Princess class ships have 22.5 knots. Arcadia is a bit slower still - 21 knots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thranite Posted February 18, 2010 #20 Share Posted February 18, 2010 On the subject of maximum speeds, I see that Aurora has a max of 25 knots, Oriana 24 knots and the Grand Princess class ships have 22.5 knots. Arcadia is a bit slower still - 21 knots. Yes, but the hull design plays a major part in the practical ability to sail through heavy seas. Arcadia will take heavier seas than the Grand Class, and actually achieves higher speeds than 21kts. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom_uk Posted February 18, 2010 Author #21 Share Posted February 18, 2010 Yes, but the hull design plays a major part in the practical ability to sail through heavy seas. Arcadia will take heavier seas than the Grand Class, and actually achieves higher speeds than 21kts. :) With respect: how do you know this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thranite Posted February 18, 2010 #22 Share Posted February 18, 2010 With respect: how do you know this? I have sailed on Arcadia at 22.7 kts through heavy seas. Aside from that, I will only say that my sources are entirely reliable. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianI Posted February 18, 2010 #23 Share Posted February 18, 2010 We are going on Oriana in April to Venice and we have two sea days to Malaga and then two sea days to Dubrovnik Brian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom_uk Posted February 18, 2010 Author #24 Share Posted February 18, 2010 I've done a bit more digging on max speeds, and it certainly seems that Aurora (and presumably Oriana too) are quite a bit faster than the other ships: I found something that describes Aurora as having a 'service speed' of 24 knots, and a 'trials speed' of 29 knots. But even these comparative greyhounds aren't scheduled to get to Lisbon in just one day. Thanks for all the contributions: that was an interesting discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IveGotThatSinkingFeeling Posted February 18, 2010 #25 Share Posted February 18, 2010 I have sailed on Arcadia at 22.7 kts through heavy seas. Aside from that, I will only say that my sources are entirely reliable. :) Presumably relevant that Queen Victoria managed 23+ knots in the North Atlantic in January 2008? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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