Missing Disney employee: the parents story

[jleq]

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-lost-at-sea-20110612,0,1135838.story

[heatherbelle]

This is really sad, and you would think that a company like Disney would do more, even hire private police to investiagte. Maybe the family will get in touch with our PM over here, who may launch a UK investigation, as has happened with little Madeline who went missing from Portugal.

[PopFla]

A while back - - two months ago or so - - there was a story about this young lady's credit card being used after she disappeared. There's no mention of that in this article. There's an awful lot of unanswered questions in this case. :confused:

[wdw1972]

Very sad - but there's no reason Disney should be hiring an investigator. There's nothing that points to Disney being at fault. It sounds like the young woman jumped off the back of the ship (suicide). The parents are desperate for that not to be true, of course - but sadly the responsibility for any private investigator lies with them.

 

Sue/WDW1972

DCL Dream 11/10/11

Noordam 1/13/12

[Mythicalbee]

Very sad - but there's no reason Disney should be hiring an investigator. There's nothing that points to Disney being at fault. It sounds like the young woman jumped off the back of the ship (suicide). The parents are desperate for that not to be true, of course - but sadly the responsibility for any private investigator lies with them.

 

Sue/WDW1972

DCL Dream 11/10/11

Noordam 1/13/12

 

It's so hard to have your head on your shoulders when something like this happens, but I completely agree -- There are just limits to what is appropriate, and this clearly seems to be more of a personal issue than a work problem.

 

As any employer would, I'm sure they are doing their own part to provide support to fellow employees and the family at this time.

[goofymom71]

This is very sad.

 

They say she made a call but they never say to who or why. The recent article said she cried and a crew member asked if she was ok. And I heard there was activity on her credit card but then it was never mentioned again. Just very odd. Seems like they would want to find our who she made the call to and what the converation was and why she was crying. Maybe they have and are not releasing it to the public.

[Host Mick]

This is very sad.

 

They say she made a call but they never say to who or why. The recent article said she cried and a crew member asked if she was ok. And I heard there was activity on her credit card but then it was never mentioned again. Just very odd. Seems like they would want to find our who she made the call to and what the converation was and why she was crying. Maybe they have and are not releasing it to the public.

 

Her last moments are a private matter with the parents.

In our tabloid-obsessed culture, privacy and decency is too often second to screaming tell-all headlines.

[goofymom71]

Her last moments are a private matter with the parents.

In our tabloid-obsessed culture, privacy and decency is too often second to screaming tell-all headlines.

 

 

I agree however, when has the media ever cared about people's "privacy"?

 

Normally they post every detail they can get their hands on.

 

This is very sad and I feel for her parents and hope they get some answers...

[mikeymars]

Sadly, the Rebecca Coriam saga is turning out just as I and many others predicted it would - an unresolved disapperance that only the family of the victim seems to care about.

 

And while Disney is not directly at fault, they are a party to why so little was done to determine what happened and how the Coriam family has been treated, which to put it bluntly has been poorly.

 

First, the moment Rebecca disppeared, I and others knew there would be no meaningful investigation. How so? Because Disney (and most major cruise lines) register their ships in "flag of convenience" countries, the authorities who were brought in to determine what happened to Rebecca were not the FBI, Interpol or Scotland Yard.

 

No - because the Disney Wonder is registered in the Bahamas, the official investigation into the disapperance was (to quote Rebecca's father) "a complete farce." It consisted of a single policeman from the Bahamas whose actual investigation consisted of spending a grand total of three hours aboard the Wonder. No official report was ever issued and when the Bahamas authorrities have been contacted repeatedly by the Coriam family, they respond by saying "the investigation is ongoing."

 

For over a year? Yes, certainly. No, the fact the Bahamas receives over 40 million a year from cruise lines for ship registrations has nothing to do with the Keystone Cops approach they are taking to "investigating" the disappearance of a young womand from the ship of one of their clients.

 

And now let's turn to Disney. When the Coriams arrived in Los Angeles in late March of 2011 to meet the Wonder, Disney initially seemed to be doing everything possible for them given the circumstances. But looking back, what does one see? Parents who are told little, are given speculation by the Captain that their daughter "slipped" and fell off the ship and are then told to collect her belongings prior to being escorted off the ship.

 

And are then left on their own. And according to some here, that's fine.

 

But these Brits are not going quietly into the night. And PopFLa is RIGHT: there are still MANY unanswered questions about this case, some going in the direction of whether there are things that are known about the circumstances surrounding the disapperance that are intentionally being kept hidden:

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/nov/11/rebecca-coriam-lost-at-sea

[Tonka's Skipper]

Folks, you have to understand as sad as it is, these investigations are not done in the open and the family is often the last to know what is going on behind the scenes, especially after they hire a atty talking heads, to make news statements that really are just self serving, twisted facts and opinion.

 

Teh mdia is just that the media.....rarely presenting honest balanced reports..they are trying to sell add space!

 

There were a number of agencies and groups investigating this tragedy, not just the Bahama Maritime agency,. These including the various insurance companies, IE vessels P and I, Mexican authorities, the USCG and FBI who where asked to help, since they could not get involved on there own, etc, etc. Teh veesel is not the only place their works occurs. These groups never release information until they are ready with a report for reasons like listed above, the talking head atty's

 

There are roughly 10 to 30 passenger and crew member disappearances off cruise vessels each year. These investigations sometimes takes years and most sad, is that somtimes there just is never a final answer.

 

AKK

[truck1]

Sadly, the Rebecca Coriam saga is turning out just as I and many others predicted it would - an unresolved disapperance that only the family of the victim seems to care about.

 

And while Disney is not directly at fault, they are a party to why so little was done to determine what happened and how the Coriam family has been treated, which to put it bluntly has been poorly.

 

First, the moment Rebecca disppeared, I and others knew there would be no meaningful investigation. How so? Because Disney (and most major cruise lines) register their ships in "flag of convenience" countries, the authorities who were brought in to determine what happened to Rebecca were not the FBI, Interpol or Scotland Yard.

 

No - because the Disney Wonder is registered in the Bahamas, the official investigation into the disapperance was (to quote Rebecca's father) "a complete farce." It consisted of a single policeman from the Bahamas whose actual investigation consisted of spending a grand total of three hours aboard the Wonder. No official report was ever issued and when the Bahamas authorrities have been contacted repeatedly by the Coriam family, they respond by saying "the investigation is ongoing."

 

For over a year? Yes, certainly. No, the fact the Bahamas receives over 40 million a year from cruise lines for ship registrations has nothing to do with the Keystone Cops approach they are taking to "investigating" the disappearance of a young womand from the ship of one of their clients.

 

And now let's turn to Disney. When the Coriams arrived in Los Angeles in late March of 2011 to meet the Wonder, Disney initially seemed to be doing everything possible for them given the circumstances. But looking back, what does one see? Parents who are told little, are given speculation by the Captain that their daughter "slipped" and fell off the ship and are then told to collect her belongings prior to being escorted off the ship.

 

And are then left on their own. And according to some here, that's fine.

 

But these Brits are not going quietly into the night. And PopFLa is RIGHT: there are still MANY unanswered questions about this case, some going in the direction of whether there are things that are known about the circumstances surrounding the disapperance that are intentionally being kept hidden:

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/nov/11/rebecca-coriam-lost-at-sea

 

 

Just wanted to point out, that there is several flaws in the article. The main one, is that the writer is saying that DCL is Headquartered in the UK. Its not. Its HQ in Clebration Fl, and there are other reasons for using Flags of Convience. Taxes are a small part of it.

[mikeymars]

Just wanted to point out, that there is several flaws in the article. The main one, is that the writer is saying that DCL is Headquartered in the UK. Its not. Its HQ in Clebration Fl, and there are other reasons for using Flags of Convience.

 

Flaws? Let's assess.

 

As far as your "headquartered" point, Jon Ronson got it partly right. DCL is incorporated in the UK, as "The Magical Cruise Company." Yes, the operations management is based in Florida, but the company is domiciled in the UK.

 

http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/private/snapshot.asp?privcapId=6815714

 

As for reasons for using a flag of convenience, yes they certainly do have more to do with than just saving taxes. To that you can add:

 

- Avoiding more stringent regulation, particularly regarding labor and environmental practice. As example, flag of convenience registrations are almost solely responsible for the perpetuation of dragnet fishing.

 

- Obscuring/hiding true vessel ownership - which is often related to vessels being used for activities of questionable legality - or even terrorism.

 

And as for the post that states "there were a number of agencies investigating" the Coriam disapperance, none of them ever concluded anything. The sole Bahamas policeman who did that superficial assessment on the Wonder said he "ruled out foul play," but never provided any specifics on his basis for reaching that "conclusion." The only active inquiry into this is the one being maintained by the Coriam family.

 

http://www.rebecca-coriam.com/

 

It's a beyond cold case everywhere else.

[mikeymars]

Just wanted to point out, that there is several flaws in the article. The main one, is that the writer is saying that DCL is Headquartered in the UK. Its not. Its HQ in Clebration Fl

 

Update: truck, you are incorrect and the writer was accurate in saying DCL is headquartered in London, UK. The below is from the Bloomberg link I provided in my prior post. Note the second to last sentence:

 

 

"Magical Cruise Company Limited, doing business as Disney Cruise Lines, provides cruise line services primarily to Alaska and the Pacific Coast, the Bahamas, the Caribbean, Mexican Riviera, Canada, and New England. Its cruise line fleet’s amenities and services include staterooms, youth clubs, onboard dining, entertainment, pools, nightclubs, spa and fitness, theatres, and lounges. The company was incorporated in 1996 and is headquartered in London, United Kingdom. Magical Cruise Company Limited operates as a subsidiary of Walt Disney Co."

[truck1]

I think what it is is a difference in wording. Disney Cruise Line is headquartered in Celebration Florida. 200 and 210 Celebration Place to be exact. The "Parent Company" for lack of a better term, MCL may have its "headquarters" in England, but its most likely a shell, similar to the flags of convience, to limit liability to Disney as a whole. MCL also has offices in Burbank, nearby Disneys main corporate offices. Karl Holtz, the Pres of DCL is here in Florida, with the rest of the staff.

[Tonka's Skipper]

Flaws? Let's assess.

 

As far as your "headquartered" point, Jon Ronson got it partly right. DCL is incorporated in the UK, as "The Magical Cruise Company." Yes, the operations management is based in Florida, but the company is domiciled in the UK.

 

http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/private/snapshot.asp?privcapId=6815714

 

As for reasons for using a flag of convenience, yes they certainly do have more to do with than just saving taxes. To that you can add:

 

- Avoiding more stringent regulation, particularly regarding labor and environmental practice. As example, flag of convenience registrations are almost solely responsible for the perpetuation of dragnet fishing.

 

- Obscuring/hiding true vessel ownership - which is often related to vessels being used for activities of questionable legality - or even terrorism.

 

And as for the post that states "there were a number of agencies investigating" the Coriam disapperance, none of them ever concluded anything. The sole Bahamas policeman who did that superficial assessment on the Wonder said he "ruled out foul play," but never provided any specifics on his basis for reaching that "conclusion." The only active inquiry into this is the one being maintained by the Coriam family.

 

http://www.rebecca-coriam.com/

 

It's a beyond cold case everywhere else.

 

 

I am sorry but you are wrong on most if not all your points and are talking from emotion.

 

Lets start with *Disney was not directly at fault*. Actually they maybe at fault, the reports have not be completed. These type of investigations take years...........sorry but that is a fact.

 

 

*from the moment I heard*.....you knew?.......frankly you knew nothing but your emotions...you had no evidence of anything at that point ..........None of us did.

 

*flag of convenience* really has nothing to do with this type of investigation

 

*Investigation a farce* As sad as it sounds. the family knows little more then we do and frankly that is common in these investigations, especially when a family hired a talking head lawyer whose main skill is talking to the media and twist facts around.

 

The are indeed many agencies and government police agencies involved in this .....including the FBI and USCG which since they were invited to help, that legally permitted them to.

 

There is also many insurance polices that cover this and they all have investigations.

 

How do you know Interpol? Scotland Yard? etc?. are not involved? I do not know if they are, but I do know if they were or are,they would not be advertizing it.

 

Again sadly these investigations go on form years..............and more sadder and more often then we would like to have happen, sometimes there is no answer.

 

I don't know quite what you expect as far as answer go when the Family met the ship?.........The investigation was just starting.all anyone had was speculations...........they were shown the videos available (and no video would not be released because if this is a criminal issue the police would not what there evidence all over the media. and told that they were free to bring Rebecca personal items home.

 

Would you have preferred the family was left to walk off alone?

 

As to the article(almost a year old), a sensationalized report, writing to get his advancement.is not a real reporter.

 

I find someone saying their is no way someone could go overboard with out the cameras seeing it proves how uninformed a lot of these peoples quotes are.

 

 

Now the next time to call me a liar and that my previous posts are lies I suggest you check your facts and how the poster is. Better, yet check the real facts and not the rehashed media.

 

This is part of my career, I am a marine surveyor and investigator, 29 years of this and years before a Merchant Marine Officer.

 

What In have said HERE AND IN PREVIOUS POST ARE THE FACTS OF THE ISSUE AND HOW THESE INVESTIGATIONS WORK.

 

No one feels more for the family then I do ........I could never fully understand how losing a child would feel, saddly that doesn't change the issue or the facts.

 

 

In closing I agree with POPFLA there are unanswered questions and I'll bet there is information not released, all for reasons that from the prospective of any investigation would not be relaesed until they are finished.

 

 

AKK

[Tonka's Skipper]

Just for everyone's information, each year, about 20 to 30 passengers/crew members disappear, at sea.:(

 

AKK