A poll on smoking

[sjn911]

nope...it sways some posters..and that is what is skewing the responses...it is not true that even though it appears that more are in favor of smoking.....the reality is that some posters are being swayed to think that...well, maybe it bothers me..or maybe it doesn't bother me at all.....

 

ever go to a marketing focus group? It is done all the time......

 

regardless...with a hot topic such as smoking...the only fair and unbiased way to take a poll would be to have only 2 choices...yes or no...

 

but whoever started the poll knew that and made sure that they gave the respondents more than the 2 simple appropriate choices...in order to sway the results in favor of smoking.....

 

personally, it really doesn't matter any more anyway because the trend is toward less smoking areas...and I don't see that changing in the near future.

I do believe as well it is a skewed poll..on balcony dividers and smoke moving...well smokers need to light up and have it be calm enough to do it so I am sure downwind..under dividers were the are holding cigs low to keep out of their partners face it is some how blowing under divider or a bit to you before out to sea..maybe forward and aft balconies would be better than one side and they could adjust by number of smokers on the sailing or a true study on percentage of smokers and non smokers.. and the people it does not bug could have the border cabin,,,,,at port or moving..I think you get some on the balcony...and for the dear smoker who said they would no longer take a balcony..do it until a better plan can happen...out of the rooms does help great degree..so inside air does not get moved in air ducts.

 

When i think about this poll..it could very well have turned out 50/50 if done right..but a third of us with burning throats not good either and enough..non smokers as sensitive as I should just get inside cabins or deal until it changes to a better Balcony fit for all..but moving or sitting still in one place, it will get to you..and hard to negotiate with neighbors if they can smoke there and it is legal..great to work out a deal... but bet that is exception to the rule..Sarah

[Carnivaluver]

Carnival has given in to the non smokers and limited the areas greatly.. now there is nothing but complaints about too much smoke in those certain areas in doors...

 

Carnival had a great plan with one side smoking one not... but again non smokers complained on the one ship for the trial and are still complaining... you won't win.. if you do there will not be a cruise industry sorry to say:rolleyes:

 

It has nothing to do with health issues of passengers.. because you can not get lung cancer from cigarette smoke alone.. and especially for only being exposed to it for minutes if not seconds at a time outside... I did not post this for a back and forth from every one about YES you can... cause it is NO you can't.. read up...

 

There will still be a cruise industry and it might even draw more passengers if they had smoke free ships. The hotel, restaurant, bar and entertainment industry are not hurting by having smoke free environments!

 

Every time smokers have said "if they ban smoking it will be bad for business" businesses have actually thrived. I love it when I go through the FRA airport and they have all those little glass smoking rooms filled with smokers and smoke. It looks so appealing. :D:D:D

[silvercrikhix]

It's all about choices. Some very good points have been made on both sides of this continuing controversy.

 

Non-smokers, do-gooders and their ilk: yes, get a life and mind your own snoot. Many cruise lines have caved to the obnoxious ranting and you can now feel free to sail on their controlled decks!!

 

Smokers: Feel free to smoke where and when ever it is allowed and you wish to. However, you are all aware of the risks and as adults may do as you please. It would be nice if you'd be more considerate with your litter, etc... Those who are obnoxious smokers just cause difficulty for those who are not. Beware you are a "dying" breed and the others will not rest until you are all marching to their beat in your uniforms on their path of good and righteousness!

 

The world wouLd be a much better place if people worried more about themselves than other people.

[silvercrikhix]

There will still be a cruise industry and it might even draw more passengers if they had smoke free ships. The hotel, restaurant, bar and entertainment industry are not hurting by having smoke free environments!

 

Every time smokers have said "if they ban smoking it will be bad for business" businesses have actually thrived. I love it when I go through the FRA airport and they have all those little glass smoking rooms filled with smokers and smoke. It looks so appealing. :D:D:D

 

This is a misleading statement. Plenty of businesses have seen revenue plummet and been closed with the smoking bans. DH has many clients this has affected!! None of them have had their revenue soar because of it. And these are across the board businesses, in all categories.

 

The real problem is that people are having the right to choose taken away from them. A bar/restaurant owner should have the right to choose their policy, as should the customer!!!! You are all being fed the same diet and are apparently clueless as to the results awaiting you all down the road, foolishly.

[Cushing985]

I hate cig smoke...sore throat instantly..and not asthma but just allergy awful for me...I can't see paying for a cabin now with a balcony and that risk of not being able to use it much if....but smokers need somewhere..i was so pleased on my Paradise inside it was not around me...now at least with an inside or outside cabin your smoke level is going to be good...i usually do not say it bothers me in a group and move quickly..when my throat has reached its peak but smoke is just bad with your food or in your nostrils if you do not smoke...tough issue..sarah

 

WOW!! A voice of reason! Gives me hope that smokers and non-smokers can get along assuming both parties are as reasonable as this person.

[ferfoodle]

There will still be a cruise industry and it might even draw more passengers if they had smoke free ships. The hotel, restaurant, bar and entertainment industry are not hurting by having smoke free environments!

 

Every time smokers have said "if they ban smoking it will be bad for business" businesses have actually thrived. I love it when I go through the FRA airport and they have all those little glass smoking rooms filled with smokers and smoke. It looks so appealing. :D:D:D

 

Smokers still go to restaurants, bars and entertainment establishments for an hour to a few hours and then leave and light up. They stay in hotels and then proceed outside to the designated smoking area from time to time to smoke. Well - a cruise for seven days is not a few hours and kinda hard to "step outside" to the designated smoking area isn't it?

 

Hard to say what the "exact" stat of percent of smokers in the world there are left. Somewhere in the neighborhood of 10-20%. On any given cruise the demographics could be low at less than 10% or could be high and well over 20%. For argument sake and easy math, lets just use on a sample cruise 20% percent of the total passengers are smokers. On this cruise there are 3000 passengers. That would mean 600 passengers want to smoke at some point. That "minority" is still a significant number. At 10%, 300 is still a significant number. How many are vegetarians? Signifincant numbers? Accomadations/alternates are provided for "minorities" because it is good business sense IMO.

[Ykgorbie]

We are going on our first cruise in May. How do I find a map of the areas that are designated smoking? I really want to avoid them. Nothing is listed on the deck plans. If smoking is allowed on one side does that mean the entire half of the ship? If my kids are swimming in the pool will there be lots of smoke coming from one side or do smokers have to stay back from the pool? I don't gamble and will just avoid the other smoking areas but I am worried about the outdoor areas and how to get around them. Kinda wish we hadn't booked the balcony now too.

 

The designated smoking areas are listed on the daily "Funtimes" that will be left in your room, on your bed, every evening.

I have never smelled smoke on the ship, with maybe the exception of the casino. As for the outdoor areas, if your neighbor lit up a cigarette in his back yard and he lived 4 doors down (or more), would you be able to smell that from your back yard ? Doubt it.

[Cigar Dude]

The designated smoking areas are listed on the daily "Funtimes" that will be left in your room, on your bed, every evening.

I have never smelled smoke on the ship, with maybe the exception of the casino. As for the outdoor areas, if your neighbor lit up a cigarette in his back yard and he lived 4 doors down (or more), would you be able to smell that from your back yard ? Doubt it.

 

Ditto.

[crusinpsychRN]

Smoking was so limited on Inspiration recently. There was supposed to be a bar with smoking but there were no ashtrays and kids were there. You could smoke in the casino if playing in some spots and at half the Violins bar outside the casino and on Lido. That was it.

[Chmie]

I was one of those smokers that was ready to take up arms when our gov't introduced smoking restrictions. I've gotten over it and adjusted my habit. However, there are 2 reasons we book a balcony when cruising - one is for the sheer pleasure of sitting outside and enjoying the view while the second is so we can have our cigarette. If that smoking option is taken away we will no longer cruise. :(

[Jbird81]

I personally mind when people are smoking near me, so I voted "Yes" on the poll.

[Indianaseadog]

The designated smoking areas are listed on the daily "Funtimes" that will be left in your room, on your bed, every evening.

I have never smelled smoke on the ship, with maybe the exception of the casino. As for the outdoor areas, if your neighbor lit up a cigarette in his back yard and he lived 4 doors down (or more), would you be able to smell that from your back yard ? Doubt it.

 

I guess it would depend how close the houses are. I bet I could. Now would I get upset about it? No. Would I like the smell? No. But I'd deal with it. Smokers dont realize how the smoke does stink and permeate the air and not just in their immediate vicinity. If the wind is blowing right the smell can travel a pretty good distance down the side of a ship. I am not one to worry about 2nd hand smoke no more than I would be exposed to it on a ship...I even go to the casino knowing how it kills my sinuses for the next day or two. But the smell can and has run me off my balcony and on land I wont eat dinner in bars that allow smoking. But I dont blame the smokers as long as they are considerate and most are. I work with the rules the same as I hope smokers do.

 

And sorry Cigardude, I bet I could smell a cigar from even further away IF the wind is blowing right. A strong cigar smoke odor would drive me in faster than anything. Would rather smell a landfill to be honest.

[celticd1]

I was one of those smokers that was ready to take up arms when our gov't introduced smoking restrictions. I've gotten over it and adjusted my habit. However, there are 2 reasons we book a balcony when cruising - one is for the sheer pleasure of sitting outside and enjoying the view while the second is so we can have our cigarette. If that smoking option is taken away we will no longer cruise. :(

 

Same for me. And the anti-smokers would rejoice...until they find out how the cost of the cruise will go up due to sailings at less than full capicity. ;)

[askimdog]

I have family members who smoke and it is the MAIN reason they get balcony cabins only. I am sure many are that way. More and more ships have more and more balcony rooms, maybe because more and more places are being restricted to smoke in?

 

I smoke a pipe occasionally, but not on board our cruises, though I enjoy the smell of tobacco burning be it pipe, cigar or even cigs.

[RuthlessBoss]

I personally mind when people are smoking near me, so I voted "Yes" on the poll.

So, why are you near them? Go on the smoke free side.

[silvercrikhix]

There are many cruise lines that have no smoking on balconies as well as in the cabin. Princess comes to mind, we'll see how that pans out for them, as I believe it's a fairly recent policy. I know they lost our business because we do currently smoke. If we don't in the future, we would consider them again.

[usahawk]

So I do not understand why they do not have a room say the size of a small bar, like the piano bar, designate it as a smoking lounge, like the airports do, maybe make 3 or 4 of them, and make that the only place for smoking. Then do not allow non-smokers in. The smokers can smoke all they want, the smoke is filtered and tunneled from the room to the outside. Maybe use a double door clean room type entrance so the smoke does not get out much.

 

The smokers could hang out, and get their fix, heck they might even smoke less, because of all the second hand smoke.

 

I am not joking around, I think a real smoking room would work.

 

But then I do not smoke, have never smoked, and most of the time do not mind the smoke unless the person smoking is rude and blows the smoke at me, like in the casino.

perhaps they could have a designated area for non smokers--you know a room where they pump in freash air

[Cruise4Music]

Same for me. And the anti-smokers would rejoice...until they find out how the cost of the cruise will go up due to sailings at less than full capicity. ;)

 

According to Carnival about 9 out of 10 Carnival guest don't smoke.

 

Why would the cost of cruising go up?

 

I would think it would go down as more non-smokers will choose to cruise and the cost of cleaning up after the smokers will go down.

 

Also the ships still have smoking areas so only the hard core addicts (smokers) will leave.

[RuthlessBoss]

According to Carnival about 9 out of 10 Carnival guest don't smoke.

 

Why would the cost of cruising go up?

 

I would think it would go down as more non-smokers will choose to cruise and the cost of cleaning up after the smokers will go down.

 

Also the ships still have smoking areas so only the hard core addicts (smokers) will leave.

It's not the number of cruisers, it's the revenues not generated from booze and gambling.

 

Do you really REALLY believe a whole room is cleaned after a smoker? Never happen!!

[Cruise4Music]

It's not the number of cruisers, it's the revenues not generated from booze and gambling.

 

Do you really REALLY believe a whole room is cleaned after a smoker? Never happen!!

 

Sorry the number of smokers is declining every year. No matter what you say the smoking areas are not coming back.

 

Non-smokers drink and gamble just as much as smokers.

 

If what you say was true today they would open more not less bars to smokers.

 

If what you say was true today why are making more and more of the Casino non-smoking.

 

Carnival, RCI and most other cruise lines know that non-smoking areas are good business.

 

They are just giving the customer what they want.

[RuthlessBoss]

Sorry the number of smokers is declining every year. No matter what you say the smoking areas are not coming back.

 

Non-smokers drink and gamble just as much as smokers.

 

If what you say was true today they would open more not less bars to smokers.

 

If what you say was true today why are making more and more of the Casino non-smoking.

 

Carnival, RCI and most other cruise lines know that non-smoking areas are good business.

 

They are just giving the customer what they want.

You are in a bubble. Non smokers do not drink as much, nor gamble as much. No new bars will open up because once closed, they stay closed. They may not show previous profits though. As for the casino, they are simply trying to keep things segregated rather than all mixed in. It makes a non smoker feel better to see a sign that says no smoking on a machine. We smokers leave your area.

[H82seaUgo]

Sorry the number of smokers is declining every year..

 

the stats do not support that. where are you gettoing your info?

 

i also question carnivals claim of 10%, and how it was compiled.

 

even a question to the brand ambassador was ignored.

[Cruise4Music]

You are in a bubble. Non smokers do not drink as much, nor gamble as much. No new bars will open up because once closed, they stay closed. They may not show previous profits though. As for the casino, they are simply trying to keep things segregated rather than all mixed in. It makes a non smoker feel better to see a sign that says no smoking on a machine. We smokers leave your area.

 

This is, of course, your opinion as a smoker?

[Cruise4Music]

the stats do not support that. where are you gettoing your info?

 

i also question carnivals claim of 10%, and how it was compiled.

 

even a question to the brand ambassador was ignored.

 

This is, of course, your opinion as a smoker?

 

Do you really have anything to back it up?

 

Do you really believe that the smoking areas will increase because a few smokers complain about it on Cruise Critic?

 

I would tend to believe what the cruise line says over a smoker on Cruise Critic.

[TMWTim]

I always love these threads.

 

Go to the main bar at the casino. The left side will be devoid of people while the right side will be jammed packed with smokers who are spending money.

 

Go to the Lido bars. The left side will be devoid of people, for the most part, while the right side will be jammed packed with smokers who are spending money.

 

While in the casino, visit the two (usually only two) Roulette tables. The non smoking one pretty much sits empty while the smoking one is standing room only. Full of smokers AND non smokers. Why? That is where the action is. Pretty much the same for the entire casino.

 

 

Non smokers need to realize that smokers will go out of their way in the casino to follow the rules. Non smokers, who are in the area designated for smokers, need to realize the more they complain about smoke the more I will light up. You all have 80% of the casino to play your penny machines so please zip the mouth about smokers when you are in our area.

 

When I am on our balcony and we are at sea and I light a smoke, if you don't like it then that is up to YOU to remedy the problem. If my smoke blowing around in the wind on a ship at sea bothers you that much then cruising isn't for you. It simply isn't. Non smoking ships have been tried and failed miserably. Smoking will never be banned on Carnival so don't get your hopes up. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that smokers are the ones dropping the vast majority of money in the casinos and at the bars.

 

Thanks!