Smoking Poll

[dvz]

I would like the question be put the other way, I think the smokers should have to pay more money to sail on a cruise ship. After all they are the ones who are inflecting their bab habbit on us!!!!! That causes the non smokers major health problems!!!

 

Now we all know the real reason why the Paradise cruise ship failed. Thats because we non smokers got very tired of the same itinerary year after year. If Carnvial had changed the itinerary sometimes, then you would still see the Paradise sailing as a Non Smoking Ship!!!!!!

 

:rolleyes: Has anyone considered that many nonsmokers also avoid party ships and therefore avoid Carnival? If Princess had a nonsmoking ship, I think it might get a different response. I've only cruised a few times, but always on Princess (2x on Coral, once on Sapphire) and I only smelled smoke in the casino area and near Churchills. I noticed people smoking on other balconies, but the smoke usually wasn't extensive enough on our balcony to cause me too much trouble ( I, too have severe asthma & allergies). I hope my luck holds out! If the smoke came in the cabin, the smokers would be hearing some really awful coughing and hopefully might take their smoking somewhere quieter!:o

[Dreamer333]

Hmmm... is it just a coincidence that the link at the top of this page is titled Youth Smoking Prevention??

[claud925]

Smokers already pay more. It's a fact that smokers drink and gamble more than non-smokers do (here's the real reason why the Paradise went under). If smokers were not making their quite substantial contributions to the bars and casinos, how much more would your cruise cost?

[cruising with marti]

I knew there was a reason I smoke, So I can drink and gamble more:D

 

 

 

Phil

[Dreamer333]

I knew there was a reason I smoke, So I can drink and gamble more:D Phil

 

Lol! Perhaps I should take up smoking!

[rwdtgb]

Correct me if I am wrong but isn't a balcony outdoors??????????....I am a non smoker and avoid smoke when I can..My Partner smokes and I wouldn't consider sailing without him so my vote is no I wouldn't pay more....

[cruising with marti]

Balconies are out doors, but the complainers complain anyway, " it drifts from outdoors on a moving ship right into my open cabin door"

 

give me a break

 

 

 

Phil

[BrandiGreg]

Most people who say they are allergic to cigarette smoke just mean to say they don't like smelling it....an allergy is a more intense physical reaction to a substance, usually involving the immune system. Even if you have asthma exacerbated by smoke, it does not mean you are allergic to smoke.

I live with a smoker, but she is very considerate about who may be able to be in the pathway of her smoke. On a ship, she deliberately makes sure there is no one on deck that is downwind of her when she smokes....it there is, she moves, because she is a considerate person. It is like passing gas on a cruise ship (and believe me, I am sure this happens a lot...especially after that first welcome-aboard buffet). One usually tries to hold it in until there is no one else around, right? I don't think it is realistic to say that we should have a separate cruise for everyone that doesn't like certain things that infringe on them....anytime you are with others there will always be something offensive that you will not like, but you just have to live with it. For example, I do not like noisy kids, obnoxious drunks, slow people, ugly people (by the way, I am also allergic to ugly people), people who eat with their mouth open, bad dancers, bad singers, and one-eyed Presbyterians, but I tolerate them. It is not the habit itself that is offensive, it is the way one expresses that habit when in the company of others. Oh, one other thing I don't like is rambling board-posters....so I will stop.

[cruising with marti]

greg

 

Could not have said it better myself.:D

 

 

Phil

[elmtree]

Most people who say they are allergic to cigarette smoke just mean to say they don't like smelling it....an allergy is a more intense physical reaction to a substance, usually involving the immune system. Even if you have asthma exacerbated by smoke, it does not mean you are allergic to smoke.

I live with a smoker, but she is very considerate about who may be able to be in the pathway of her smoke. On a ship, she deliberately makes sure there is no one on deck that is downwind of her when she smokes....it there is, she moves, because she is a considerate person. It is like passing gas on a cruise ship (and believe me, I am sure this happens a lot...especially after that first welcome-aboard buffet). One usually tries to hold it in until there is no one else around, right? I don't think it is realistic to say that we should have a separate cruise for everyone that doesn't like certain things that infringe on them....anytime you are with others there will always be something offensive that you will not like, but you just have to live with it. For example, I do not like noisy kids, obnoxious drunks, slow people, ugly people (by the way, I am also allergic to ugly people), people who eat with their mouth open, bad dancers, bad singers, and one-eyed Presbyterians, but I tolerate them. It is not the habit itself that is offensive, it is the way one expresses that habit when in the company of others. Oh, one other thing I don't like is rambling board-posters....so I will stop.

 

Yea!!!! What he said!!

[MentalVacation]

Greg (and others who refuse to recognize the ill effects of smoking, inhaling second hand smoke):

 

Many people actually ARE allergic to smoke. I realize there are others who simply do not like the smell but I think it is overly broad to assume that people do not realize if they are allergic or have a bona fide physical reaction rather than just a distaste for the smell. I personally get an instant headache. To use your metaphor, while I am often disgusted by the smell of the "Post Buffet" gas of which you speak, it is certainly not the same as the reaction I have to cigarette smoke. Some people have other non-allergic reactions to smoke. But I think the worst threat is to those persons who have asthma and other breathing disorders.

 

For the record,all people are affected whether they realize it or not. Cigarette smoke is a carcinogen.

 

Again I ask myself why I feel compelled to even read these threads. Argh.

[steveweese]

I think that everyone understands the effects and problems that smoke causes. I am just surprised that lots of people would not pay more to avoid it. And that is the point of the poll.

[cnmiranda]

Gregnbarb, it appears you don't have a md. I have severe asthma as I have had all my life including weekly allergy shots and take 5 medicines to treat it. Smoking causes asthma attacks in which one cannot breathe.

 

http://www.allergyhealthonline/common/articles.cfm?=ARTID=236

 

The next thing some will say that all people with asthma are faking it. I say put a pillow on your face and try to breathe, that is what asthma feels like.

 

So back to the original subject, yes, I would pay more to have a smoke free cruise.

[NJcruiser21]

i find the habit of smoking incredibly disgusting and when i'm around smokers in public, they are so rude! they could care less where they blow their smoke (you step outside the office and instead of walking 10 feet to the left to smoke, they are doing it RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE DOORS so you get a nice huge whiff every time you enter or exit) and they leave their butts and empty cartons all over the place.

 

 

i would definitely pay an extra 100 to have a non smoking cruise. it would mean a week without having that disgusting cancer causing smoke so rudely blown around.

[newcruiser1614]

I voted yes. Smoking has not been a problem in the past, but we've just sprung for our first balcony, and now I'm concerned that smoking neighbors may be a problem. I could come up with a little more money to guarantee that won't happen.

 

How about smokers port and non-smokers starboard? Or like so many other businesses, having a non-smoking area of balconys where folks who develop respiratory problems from breathing smoke, could be assured of a smoke free environment on their balcony?

[cruising with marti]

Njcruiser\

 

I have the answere for you, start smoking that way you can become one of the rude, crude and disgusting people that you rail against.

 

 

Phil

[KenAndJulie]

Its nice to see that despite not being on the boards for a while things don't change and we still have discussions about cigarette smoke (must check to see if there is one about dress code).

 

A bit of background ... I am an ex smoker (of some 5 years) and have always asked Julie to shoot me if I become one of those self-righteous types. I live in a rural area and the one thing that I notice is the stench of exhaust fumes which is far worse than cigarette smoke. Some people say 'it is different because exhaust fumes are outside' well generally what they actually mean is 'It is different because I want to drive my car and pollute the place but I do not want you to smoke near me'.

 

I therefore vote 'No' simply because I manage to put up with all sorts of other pollution that is much worse than cigarette smoke. Also, another little fact is that a cruise ship travels less than 6 inches for every gallon of fuel it burns. Think of the amount of pollution it is generating and the pollution caused by the airplanes to take us to the ships.

 

All it takes is a little bit of courtesy, toleration and compromise from both sides.

 

Ken

[MentalVacation]

I said I'd pay more. :-)

 

I think the smokers are voting and causing skewed results. :-) Kidding.

[NJcruiser21]

Njcruiser\

 

I have the answere for you, start smoking that way you can become one of the rude, crude and disgusting people that you rail against.

 

 

Phil

 

that made no sense but i guess the only thing to say is that "no thanks i want to live past 50."

[Readyto go]

I've come to the conclusion that most people with 'allergies' are self diagnosed. They just sustitute the word allergy instead of hate. I'm not talking about those who are truly diagnosed by a allegy specialist,so don't get your pantyhose tied up into knots and reply to this message with rage.I know some of you self diagnosed people will respond anyway just to feel you are validating your own self diagnosis.

[elmtree]

Its nice to see that despite not being on the boards for a while things don't change and we still have discussions about cigarette smoke (must check to see if there is one about dress code).

 

A bit of background ... I am an ex smoker (of some 5 years) and have always asked Julie to shoot me if I become one of those self-righteous types. I live in a rural area and the one thing that I notice is the stench of exhaust fumes which is far worse than cigarette smoke. Some people say 'it is different because exhaust fumes are outside' well generally what they actually mean is 'It is different because I want to drive my car and pollute the place but I do not want you to smoke near me'.

 

I therefore vote 'No' simply because I manage to put up with all sorts of other pollution that is much worse than cigarette smoke. Also, another little fact is that a cruise ship travels less than 6 inches for every gallon of fuel it burns. Think of the amount of pollution it is generating and the pollution caused by the airplanes to take us to the ships.

 

All it takes is a little bit of courtesy, toleration and compromise from both sides.

 

Ken

 

Amen Brother! My mother always said there wasn't anything worse than a reformed whore! I also am an ex smoker, and for the life of me..I don't see what the big whoop is about a little second hand smoke..Yea...yea...Cough Cough....too much exeration in my book!

[NJcruiser21]

Amen Brother! My mother always said there wasn't anything worse than a reformed whore! I also am an ex smoker, and for the life of me..I don't see what the big whoop is about a little second hand smoke..Yea...yea...Cough Cough....too much exeration in my book!

 

please tell that to someone who's been diagnosed with either heart disease or lung cancer because of second hand smoke and see what they say. :mad:

[Readyto go]

please tell that to someone who's been diagnosed with either heart disease or lung cancer because of second hand smoke and see what they say. :mad:

 

There is no test out that can prove why a certain person had a heart attack or got lung cancer. Eating unhealthy can also cause a heart attack,but Im sure if the person who suffered a heart attack was from this thread, I'm sure he or she wouldn't blame his or her bad eating habits or bad genes on that. That ole second hand smoke from a balcony must have caused it.:rolleyes:

[Cruisin' Chick]

I would faint if you group of smokers finally admit you have a disgusting habit that contributes to the development of serious diseases in both the smoker and the nonsmoker (through secondhand smoke) and that truly bothers many of us (whether allergic or not -- and btw, my doctor has concurred when I figured out I suffer from hay fever and migraines).

Another btw, smoking ages you -- your organs, your skin, everything. Put a 40-year-old smoker next to many 50 years old who don't smoke and you won't be able to tell the difference. I'm 50 and I'm probably in better health (good bp, heart, etc.) than most smokers ten or so years younger than me.

 

A third btw, I voted for paying more for a clean air cruise!

[NJcruiser21]

There is no test out that can prove why a certain person had a heart attack or got lung cancer. Eating unhealthy can also cause a heart attack,but Im sure if the person who suffered a heart attack was from this thread, I'm sure he or she wouldn't blame his or her bad eating habits or bad genes on that. That ole second hand smoke from a balcony must have caused it.:rolleyes:

 

people who believe that second hand smoke does not lead to lung cancer or heart disease are in DENIAL. i can't believe people out there are this naive...its baffling. :confused: