Smoking Poll

[Cruisin' Chick]

NJ, I would say that the chemicals destroy some of their grey matter, but that would be nasty, wouldn't it.;)

[NJcruiser21]

they would probably blame it on the stress caused by us "non-smokers" :eek:

[nsimeri]

Njcruiser\

 

I have the answere for you, start smoking that way you can become one of the rude, crude and disgusting people that you rail against.

 

 

Phil

Hey Phil - How about I take a crap on your balcony in exchange for your stinking second hand smoke? It disgusts me how smokers think they can pollute the air that we breath and then discard their butts on the streets that we live.

[Dreamer333]

**Revised**

 

Okay, I admit it... It was too easy... I responded to Nick's analogy in a bit of a mean way (but I was very witty, I must add ;) )... I felt guilty, as I am sure Nick is a nice guy... So I came back and edited it out.

 

**Revised**

[nsimeri]

Awwww Dreamer I missed the unedited post - damm it!

[KenAndJulie]

One reads an awful lot about second hand smoke unfortunately the facts are usually masked amongst a lot of drival, emotion and hypocracy.

 

Personally I think the so called second hand smoke probably does contain all sorts of nasties that may contribute to equally nasty diseases in later life. However, taken this as an assumption and the basis for discussion, then the fumes from burniing fossil fuels are much much worse due to the much heavier particulates etc. that can bury themselves well into our lungs. I have never understood people whingeing and gurning about cigarette smoke while they pollute the atmosphere with fuel guzzling motor vehicles and other consumption of fossil fuels ... hypocracy at its worst. I hear all the same dumb arguments that smokers use also being used to justify peoples use of fossil fuels ('its different', 'there is no evidence', 'its outside' yah-de-yah-de-yah) ... a while ago I read one report that reckons the number of 'smoking' related diseases is set to go through the roof ... not because of smoking but due to pollution from fossil fuels.

 

You only have to look at the 'marine layer' over Los Angeles (or 'El Pueblo de Nuestra Senora la Reina de Los Angeles' to give it its full name) to see what people are breathing.

 

You also hear the biggest load of rubbish put forward as arguments about giving up

1. You sense of smell will return. True, but I wish it hadn't ... this world stinks, especially big cities - I can smell the stench of fumes from the clothes of someone who lives in a city versus the freshness of someone from a rural area.

2. Your sense of taste will return. True, but I wish it hadn't ... it is amazing how chemically most things taste nowadays and those that don't taste of fish

3. You will feel healthier. Load of old rubbish, I felt much healthier when I smoked, I was never ill. Now I seem to catch as many illnesses as my non-smoking colleagues (who were always off with some sniffle or other). Not only that, I decided to go to the gym and have managed to rip, tear and break many a sinew, cartilidge and muscle - those damned gyms are very unhealthy.

4. You will live longer. In some cases. Why is it when we hear of the oldest people in the world they always appear to have been smokers. The Queen mum lived to be over 100 (and she smoked like a train). The french lady who died a few years back at the age of 122 apparently gave up smoking at the age of 105 (or 110) because someone said it was bad for her health and would shorten her lifespan.

5. The damage will be reversed .... hmmm, debatable. Some reports say the damage will never be fully reversed therefore why bother giving up.

6. It is a drain on the health service (in the UK). Tax revenue from cigarettes (£9.6bn) is about 5 times the cost to the health service (£1.7bn) - both figures provided by the government. Now you know why the UK government is not so keen to put a total ban on smoking. What is it like in America?

 

If people are going to give up do it for the simple reason that the money you save will finance all your future cruises.... it works for me :D :D

 

Ken

[cruising with marti]

Hey Phil - How about I take a crap on your balcony in exchange for your stinking second hand smoke? It disgusts me how smokers think they can pollute the air that we breath and then discard their butts on the streets that we live.

 

 

Nick, that is a good one, but by the way, who told you that Iam a smoker????

Just because I don't jump on the I hate smoker bandwagon, does not mean that I am a smoker. talk about jumping to stupid conclusions!!!

 

Phil

[steveweese]

Well guys enjoy the unwinable debate. I am going cruising.

 

Steve

[cruising with marti]

Well guys enjoy the unwinable debate. I am going cruising.

 

Steve

 

I'll go with you Steve:)

 

 

 

Phil

 

Well, not exactly with you, but on the same ship, non smoking of course:D

[dei6360]

People say 2nd hand smoke is no worse than what comes out of a cars exhaust. This is probably true. However a car is not going to sit next to me at the blackjack table and blow fumes on me. We were on the last Paradise cruise before its repositioning and it was great. It was our 4th cruise and I can tell you we have never spent so much money in any casino. We are both ex smokers (since 2003) and yes smoke does now bother us. When we were on Paradise they said they were losing between 300 and 400 dollars per person compared to smoking cruises. Just about everybody who we spoke to on that cruise said they would gladly pay the extra amount to not have to deal with smoke.

[dei6360]

I also think a great compromise would be to have a non-smoking cruise once or twice a year. Instead of one ship always being non smoking. It could be a way for cruise lines to attract people who would have never cruised.

[Times Prince]

• Smoking is allowed in casinos.
  
• We are both reactive to smoke
  
• We have never spent a single coin in the casinos, despite being attracted to the games.
  

Do the math.

 

I guess you could say we are paying LESS for a cruise by avoiding smoking areas.

[Opinions]

Nick, that is a good one, but by the way, who told you that Iam a smoker????

Just because I don't jump on the I hate smoker bandwagon, does not mean that I am a smoker. talk about jumping to stupid conclusions!!!

 

Phil

 

After reading your post "I knew there was a reason I smoke, so I can drink and gamble more" I came to the same conclusion ???

[halos]

I think that everyone understands the effects and problems that smoke causes. I am just surprised that lots of people would not pay more to avoid it. And that is the point of the poll.

 

Maybe you should have asked that only non-smokers vote....

[halos]

I've come to the conclusion that most people with 'allergies' are self diagnosed. They just sustitute the word allergy instead of hate. I'm not talking about those who are truly diagnosed by a allegy specialist,so don't get your pantyhose tied up into knots and reply to this message with rage.I know some of you self diagnosed people will respond anyway just to feel you are validating your own self diagnosis.

 

 

I never claim to be allergic to smoke..I just say that it irritates me, physically...allergy or not, it affects me by giving me a bad headache, a raw throat and burning eyes.....although this has not occurred on a cruise ship. This happens when I have to spend time with family, in their homes (most of my family and in-laws all smoke)

My daughter gets VERY sick around cigarette smoke..and even on the cruise ship it affected her.

No...we don't call it an allergy, but either way it makes us ill. It doesn't matter what you call it. The results are the same.

There are many considerate smokers out there and the smoker bashing that happens on these threads is never aimed at them. The rude ones know who they are....the rude ones will be the ones to jump all over this post...the considerate ones will not even think to respond by jumping on me because they don't have the guilt that would cause them to react.

Hey...as redundant as threads of this nature are, if they cause just one smoker to stop and think before tossing their butts all over the place, it will be a good thing.

[steveweese]

Halos......I did ! But I should have said it in the title. Do another one while I am gone because You do have a good point.

 

Phil meet me in San Pedro at noon Saturday. You can share a cabin with my two teenage daughters.

[KenAndJulie]

tossing their butts all over the place

Now that would be an interesting site :D :D

 

Ken

[Cruisin' Chick]

I saw a news story earlier today about increasing the tax on cigarettes to help pay for the cleanup of the litter produced by smokers. The cameraperson easily found many butts to shoot. Even caught someone tossing their used cigarette. I know it's sticky like gum thrown on the ground, but it's still trash which ends up in the ocean.

[alylee777]

Cruisin Chick,

 

Totally off the subject but do you ever go to Brent's Deli in Northridge?

Ok, now my answer...I would pay more because I just don't like the smell of other peoples smoke. Period.

That said, I am a total hypocrite in that when I am with certain friends who smoke...I partake.

Go figure.

Atleast after 17 years that OTHER type of smoke has cleared from my lungs. Right?

A:D

[halos]

Now that would be an interesting site :D :D

 

Ken

 

LOL!! Your interpretation is much better than what I actually meant.

I'll go with yours! :D

[halos]

I saw a news story earlier today about increasing the tax on cigarettes to help pay for the cleanup of the litter produced by smokers. The cameraperson easily found many butts to shoot. Even caught someone tossing their used cigarette. I know it's sticky like gum thrown on the ground' date=' but it's still trash which ends up in the ocean.[/quote']

 

There is a quaint little beach town in southern Maine called Old Orchard Beach....in Maine, smoking basically ANYWHERE is prohibited...no restaurants/bars...even in the prisons.

Anyway, because of the smoking ban, smokers are required to step outside of restaurants and bars to smoke. That caused a mess...because not one of those people used the ash trays available, just toosed the butts instead...SO the town of Old Orchard decided to fine the restaurant owners quite a sum if the outside of their establishments were dirty. This got the restaurant owners out there daily cleaning up the mess the smokers left behind.

It's nice and clean in Old Orchard these days.....

[Cruisin' Chick]

Brent's Deli in Northridge

I haven't heard of it. I know there's a deli -- can't remember the name -- on Nordhoff by Corbin and the Big Apple Deli at the mall (been to both).

Smoking has been banned on some So. Cal. beaches.

[alylee777]

Brents is actually on Parthenia and Corbin. Our friends own it and it has the BEST pastrami and Matzoh ball soup ever!! I miss Northridge. We used to live there and in Simi Valley. Inlaws are in Canoga Park.

A:D