Designer jeans - the new cocktail dress

[Soxfan05]

I think we should agree to disagree on this point. I also think that it depends on where you live in many cases as to "designer jeans" If I am home in NYC, or in LA, Chicago, Miami, Vegas I have no qualms about putting on jeans, heels, top and a hot purse and going out. Would I do it in Ohio or other very conservative states/countries no. :rolleyes: And I have seen many people in pants that are not smart casual since they are ill fitting, too baggy not tailored etc. (And I don't consider khakis as dress up pants/slacks - thats what I wear for casual fridays at work)

 

In many cases DARK rinse jeans etc are hard to tell from regular pants in the evening (not slim fit, levis, wrangler etc). And sorry, I don't consider casinos a place for formal attire. I also consider velvet/velour inapproriate for the Caribbean/florida/south of france (any warm weather place/time of year) and people do.

 

I have seen people chastised for naming designer jeans on several boards and for those who wear jeans for going out their is a HUGE difference in the cut and quality of certain jeans from your neighborhood GAP/Walmart jeans. As one poster said fashion is a constantly changing thing some choose to go with it (as long as it is flattering) and other choose not to.

 

Well said!

[momofmeg]

Carnival is not as casual as many think. I never saw a pair of jeans in the diningroom for dinner on any night when we were on the Miracle in October.

 

I was just on the Princess boards and someone was mentioning that she's always cruised Princess and now is going to Carnival. Every reply to her post says that she will have a great time on Carnival. Carnival's come a long way, girls! ;)

 

IMHO, no jeans in the diningroom during dinner. If you would wear jeans to a 4 or 5 star restaurant where you reside, then, I suppose jeans will work for you.

 

Yep I already corrected her-but you do see more of the jeans people on Carnival then any other line-though as you say-the capers request no blue jeans in the "suggested attire" for dinner.

 

On the 5 lines I have been on -it was only on HAL that I saw no people wearing blue jeans to dinner. All the other lines had a rebel or 2 at least.

[BlueHerons]

 

I see no problem with this look on casual night. Even though they are white, they are still denim.

 

I also don't get the denim/dumbing down of America comment.

 

I also think we are talking about two different looks.

 

My 'jeans can go anywhere' look is very dressy not Gap jeans and sneakers.

 

By the way, most 'designer' jeans aren't in the 2-4-6-8 size range but 25-26-27-28-29 range.

[caviargal]

One of the reasons I dislike sailing Carnival is because of the poor standards of dress of many of the passengers. It is way too casual, and Carnival IME does not enforce attire.

 

I am willing to pay more for a cruise line that, in general, attracts a more sophisticated clientele. I saw NO jeans in the dining room on my Serenade cruise in Feb and observed the dress code being enforced in Portofino's. In fact, we were reminded 3 times that proper - smart casual - attire was "required", not suggested.

 

Also, I have never seen jeans on Celebrity or HAL.

 

I think the folks that simply MUST make their statement and wear jeans to dinner should stick to Carnival. Although they state no jeans in the dining room, you really do see it all. Why bother?

[scarletine]

 

I see no problem with this look on casual night. Even though they are white, they are still denim.

 

I also don't get the denim/dumbing down of America comment.

 

I also think we are talking about two different looks.

 

My 'jeans can go anywhere' look is very dressy not Gap jeans and sneakers.

 

By the way, most 'designer' jeans aren't in the 2-4-6-8 size range but 25-26-27-28-29 range.

I agree that that would be a nice look for casual night. But white jeans are too '80s for me. :)

 

As for the 'designer' jeans not being over a size 8? Phooey on them! Just because I'm a larger size doesn't mean I don't want to wear them...it's just snobbish when 'designers' won't make clothes for bigger women...the whole "I don't want to see MY clothes on a FAT GIRL" mentality. (With the exception of Queen Latifah, and any other famous women of size.) I'm lucky I can fit into misses sizes again, because the stuff that was out there when I was more plus size? Puh-leeze!

 

Some stores, like Lane Bryant, have gotten better about making trendier looks for bigger women, but sadly the 'designers' are lagging behind.

[SharleneinTexas]

 

I see no problem with this look on casual night. Even though they are white, they are still denim..

 

I agree with this........I don't care if someone wears jeans as long as they don't look like jeans.....;)

but then, what's the point?

[BlueHerons]

As for the 'designer' jeans not being over a size 8? Phooey on them! Just because I'm a larger size doesn't mean I don't want to wear them...it's just snobbish when 'designers' won't make clothes for bigger women...the whole "I don't want to see MY clothes on a FAT GIRL" mentality. (With the exception of Queen Latifah, and any other famous women of size.) I'm lucky I can fit into misses sizes again, because the stuff that was out there when I was more plus size? Puh-leeze!

 

Some stores, like Lane Bryant, have gotten better about making trendier looks for bigger women, but sadly the 'designers' are lagging behind.

 

Do they really not make them over a size 8? I know I don't see designer jeans sized in 2,4,6,8,10 etc., only 25,26,27,28,29 etc., I don't know what size is what.

 

I do know that in a Gap jean I'm around a 4 or 6 depending on the torso because I'm tall but I could not find a pair of Chloe jeans to fit me.

 

Someone once said to me that because a lot of designers are gay men, (no flames please, I'm just repeating what I heard), they design for women who have the bodies of 14 year old boys.

[BlueHerons]

As for the 'designer' jeans not being over a size 8? Phooey on them! Just because I'm a larger size doesn't mean I don't want to wear them...it's just snobbish when 'designers' won't make clothes for bigger women...

Some stores, like Lane Bryant, have gotten better about making trendier looks for bigger women, but sadly the 'designers' are lagging behind.

 

Do they really not make them over a size 8? I know I don't see designer jeans sized in 2,4,6,8,10 etc., only 25,26,27,28,29 etc., I don't know what size is what.

 

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Lane Bryant now carries Seven Jeans in larger sizes but they are 1/2 the price of the smaller sizes. Go figure.

[scarletine]

Do they really not make them over a size 8? I know I don't see designer jeans sized in 2,4,6,8,10 etc., only 25,26,27,28,29 etc., I don't know what size is what.

 

I do know that in a Gap jean I'm around a 4 or 6 depending on the torso because I'm tall but I could not find a pair of Chloe jeans to fit me.

 

Someone once said to me that because a lot of designers are gay men, (no flames please, I'm just repeating what I heard), they design for women who have the bodies of 14 year old boys.

Whoops! I read your post wrong. I got riled over nothing, I guess. You said:

By the way, most 'designer' jeans aren't in the 2-4-6-8 size range but 25-26-27-28-29 range.

I read it as:

By the way, most 'designer' jeans are in the 2-4-6-8 size range not the 25-26-27-28-29 range.

Call it "creative reading". :D So I went on my rant about designers not making clothes that fit bigger women. (But I still stand by what I said. Most designers DON'T make stuff that would fit me, and I think that sucks.) :(

[bayofbiscay]

I agree with this........I don't care if someone wears jeans as long as they don't look like jeans.....;)

but then, what's the point?

 

 

Trouble is everyone does not look like this:eek:

[Soxfan05]

Trouble is everyone does not look like this:eek:

 

But for those gals who do look like that picture, I say "go for it"! And for those who might not be quite so svelte, wear something you feel beautiful in too and enjoy!

[bayofbiscay]

I feveryone was dressed in "the correct"gear as asked for by the cruise line,there would never be any problems;)

[Keksie]

There might still be a problem since the "correct gear" as spelled out by the cruise line is not always followed in practice. An example of this would be the last 2 cruises I took on the Rhapsody did not have a smart casual night as stated on the website for a 7 day cruise. Instead there were 2 formal nights and the rest casual. The website also does not say what the “correct gear” would be for daytime activities and dining.

 

I think a majority of the posters (especially first time cruisers) just want to know what people really pack and wear on a cruise. Most of us are just regular people. Not the models on the commercials or brochures. We generally dress well and appropriately but want some advice.

[Soxfan05]

I feveryone was dressed in "the correct"gear as asked for by the cruise line,there would never be any problems;)

 

Those guidelines are very ambiguous and open for lots of interpretations. Couple that with the fact that cruiselines don't enforce anything and you will have some "inappropriate" looks. The "correct gear" according to some guidelines are "pants", no jeans. So does that mean you can wear sweats? They are what I would call "casual."I I wouldn't but often the guidelines are taken so literally, many posters will tell you to wear cargo pants or even zip offs because "they're pants". Sorry, even my kids aren't allowed to wear those to a nice restaurant. I think the posted look is much more upscale and appropriate and and would fit into a cruise setting more so than the previously mentioned look. Sometimes we just need to use common sense.

 

I also think there are regional, generational and economic differences in posters on this board which makes everyone's taste very very different. Like a previous poster said, agree to disagree.

[1corona4u]

I just don't get what is so hard to understand about the suggested attire! It's as if people fein that they don't understand it, so they have some wiggle room to wear what they want, claiming that they don't understand what it is.(not pointing to anyone specific here...)

 

JUST dress upscale casual! Use your BETTER judgement.

 

 

If you really want to know what people are wearing, then go to Webshots, type in a ship, and look at the people onboard. I did this long ago, and was not impressed. In fact, it is what has gotten me so involved in the attire threads.....people dress like they are going to Mc Donalds!! (for the most part)

[Classynfun1]

Do they really not make them over a size 8? I know I don't see designer jeans sized in 2,4,6,8,10 etc., only 25,26,27,28,29 etc., I don't know what size is what.

 

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Lane Bryant now carries Seven Jeans in larger sizes but they are 1/2 the price of the smaller sizes. Go figure.

 

I hate to be a disenter on this, but these are not true Sevens. These are "Seven for Lane Bryant" jeans, not "Seven for Mankind" which are the true designer jeans. The ones for Lane Bryant have a different cut, designer, and pockets than the real designer jeans. It's like buying "designer" clothes at Target..we all know the name on the tag is mass market and designed under a designer's name, but is not true "couture." It doesn't really matter, but I would hate for someone to try and buy these jeans on ebay or something and not understand. There is, indeed, a big difference! You definitely want to try the ones above on, as the cut isn't as appealing on some as the typical Sevens are.

 

That said, this topic drives me crazy. I dress in designer jeans every weekend, much like the picture of the white jeans and top. I'm 26, so it's age appropriate and yes, I guess I'm 5'10" and have the boy of a 14 year old boy because I can wear them (though I'm a C cup). Still, I think it would be completely tacky to dress like that on a cruise ship, so I won't be packing any of my jeans. I don't care how much they cost or how hot any man thinks I am in them. I choose to follow the guidelines as my host publishes.

[Keksie]

"I just don't get what is so hard to understand about the suggested attire!"

 

It isn't hard to understand the suggested attire but not all ships follow what is on the website. And there is no suggested attire mentioned for daytime.

 

"JUST dress upscale casual!"

 

Depending on regional differences etc. this can have many meanings. Upscale casual can mean jeans where I come from.

 

"I choose to follow the guidelines as my host publishes."

 

Which would mean no jeans in the dining room but still allow jeans at other times.

[1corona4u]

"I just don't get what is so hard to understand about the suggested attire!"

 

It isn't hard to understand the suggested attire but not all ships follow what is on the website. And there is no suggested attire mentioned for daytime.

 

"JUST dress upscale casual!"

 

Depending on regional differences etc. this can have many meanings. Upscale casual can mean jeans where I come from.

 

"I choose to follow the guidelines as my host publishes."

 

Which would mean no jeans in the dining room but still allow jeans at other times.

 

Maybe I missed it, but I don't think anyone objects to jeans at other times, just not the dining room. It doesn't matter to me if they wear them during the day, or after dinner, etc. BUT, I think if you are going to a show, dinner, or another eating venue, other than JR's, that you should not wear jeans.

 

If you are going ashore, then I would say wear them. I have a pair of colored jean shorts, and a pair of jean capri's that I plan to wear when I go ashore. You will not see me in them otherwise.

 

I also don't think it's necessary to wear your formal/upscale clothing for the entire duration of that night. Depending on what I am doing after dinner, I will probably change, as I will be spending most of my time outside on deck. I can stay inside at home....I want to be outside, under the stars, on the ocean. Not in a smokey casino, bar, or a theatre. I will probably have to go to at least one show, because my friend will want to.:(

[KINGBOBOFTHENORTH]

Regarding the statement:

>I choose to follow the guidelines as my host publishes.<

 

Both hotels and cruise lines like to call their passengers "guests". The airlines don't do that. Real "guests" are not charged for their patronage. Likewise, a true "host" does not charge guests for being there.

 

Thus, when you're a paying passenger on a cruise ship there is no host and you are not a guest. You're a passenger on a moving hotel. Don't fall for their twists on words. As a paying passenger, you're free to do what you want, within limitations of course. The main restaurant will in most (but not all) cases turn you away if you're wearing jeans. The rest of the ship is pretty much fair-game for jeans.....and shorts......and flip flops.....etc.

 

The fact of the matter is that your "host" wants you back again in the future as one of their "guests".

 

BobK/Orlando

Sea Princess- May 2005 yeah baby!

[Jane110]

 

 

Lane Bryant now carries Seven Jeans in larger sizes but they are 1/2 the price of the smaller sizes. Go figure.

 

 

The actual cost of producing an item in relation to it's retail price is only part of the equation. The other parts are marketing, advertising and of course, supply and demand.

However, designer jeans do cost more to create than jeans for the Plus size woman because the Plus size companies generally use their standard pant marker/patterns and don't go through as many fit processes. Designer jeans are so great looking because of their fabulous fit and companies go through many sessions with fit models and pattern makers in order to get the look right.

 

Jane

[tumeroll]

I have an idea - If jeans and other "casual" clothes are so very neat, let's dress all of the crew in jeans and halter tops or t-shirts then everyone will feel right at home.

I sail or dine where I feel the customers (better than guests?) respect the offerings and want to show it in their attire and conduct.

 

As to the poster who did not understand the dumbing down comment - you prove my point.

[bayofbiscay]

P&O states quite clearly what the dress code for the day is,typical resort dress ,beit shorts trunks,swimwear in general or JEANS if you wish.Couple with that t shirts ,sweats,skin.As long as you cover up inside and dont wear bathing costumes for dining ala conservatory,there is no problem.

 

At night its a completely different kettle of fish.Formal,informal(jacket and trousers)casual(trousers and open necked shirts(obviously for the men).

Personally if I have gone to the trouble of getting dressed for the evening I will stay that way.

[caviargal]

At night its a completely different kettle of fish.Formal,informal(jacket and trousers)casual(trousers and open necked shirts(obviously for the men).

Personally if I have gone to the trouble of getting dressed for the evening I will stay that way.

 

I could not imagine going back to change after dinner. I simply do not understand that at all. I think it is almost as tacky to be in the shows or beautiful lounges attired in jeans or shorts or other inappropriate wear as it is to dine that way. We are just way too casual in this country.

 

My formal wear as well as my other nice outifts are comfortable and wnjoyable to wear. Why would anyone buy anything that is a chore to wear?

[Soxfan05]

As to the poster who did not understand the dumbing down comment - you prove my point.

 

That was totally uncalled for and rude.

 

" If most of us are ashamed of shabby clothes and shoddy furniture, let us be more ashamed of shabby ideas and shoddy philosophies.... It would be a sad situation if the wrapper were better than the meat wrapped inside it. " ~Albert Einstein

 

 

Sounds like you're an example of that sad situation.

 

Good luck to you in our third world, dumbed down, denim wearing country.

[momofmeg]

One of the reasons I dislike sailing Carnival is because of the poor standards of dress of many of the passengers. It is way too casual, and Carnival IME does not enforce attire.

 

I am willing to pay more for a cruise line that, in general, attracts a more sophisticated clientele. I saw NO jeans in the dining room on my Serenade cruise in Feb and observed the dress code being enforced in Portofino's. In fact, we were reminded 3 times that proper - smart casual - attire was "required", not suggested.

 

Also, I have never seen jeans on Celebrity or HAL.

 

I think the folks that simply MUST make their statement and wear jeans to dinner should stick to Carnival. Although they state no jeans in the dining room, you really do see it all. Why bother?

 

That was true of Disney also. People would wear what ever they wanted EXCEPT at Palos. There you were turned away if not dressed properly.

 

I do feel alot of people dress the way they do on Carnival because so many keep saying it is okay on Carnival to dress like a slob.

 

As far as RCCL I did see jeans on both of my Sovereign cruises. I go on Mariner in Oct.-since that is their top of the line ship maybe it will be better. We shall see but for now I reserve judgement that RCCL is "classier" then Carnival. I do not really care much for either line.

 

Guys I do not really care what others wear-I am not going to turn anyone into the "fashion police" or try to have anyone thrown out of the dinningroom;but I will not myself wear jeans, peddle pusher capris, skorts or shorts to dinner unless I am going to the Lido restuarant-even on Carnival-that is if I do ever cruise Carnival again.

 

As far as wearing white jeans-mine are light weight and are comfortable for DAYWEAR in the caribbean. I would never wear them to dinner in the main dinningroom.

 

I am beginning to think more and more I should try a Norweigan cruise. I keep reading posts that they do have dinningrooms with better quality food then the lido where you are allowed to dress casual. But they also have dinningrooms you are supposed to "dress" for when you go to them.

 

To me this is the answer-no assigned dinningrooms and if you want to "dress" you go to one dinningroom-if you prefer to stay casual you go to another. That sounds great to me-normally I would want to "dress" but it would be nice if there was a better choice then the lido if I come back late from an excursion. Most ships have more then one main dinningroom; maybe all the lines should do this.

 

I do agree there are some nice jeans out there and on some these would look better then a linen pantsuit. But how do you set the guidelines? How do you say "Sevens are acceptable but Wranglers and Levis are not?" If you allow one you have to allow the other and then we have the Carnival cruiseline atmosphere so many of you hate.

 

But then too until the cruiselines change the "suggested wear" I think we are arguing for no reason-it does not matter what we think but what is considered proper.