Rottweiler Puppy Posted May 14, 2012 #76 Share Posted May 14, 2012 All I need to know about their salary is my server last year was on his 20th Carnival ship and loved his job. He was excited to be going to the Magic next and was very proud. Evidently he is doing well enough. He was from India and while India can be exciting for a tourist, its a filthy craphole for the many of its residents. If folks feel they are paid poorly and treated bad, maybe they shouldnt cruise as they are supporting the system that is so bad. As far as conditions? Hell I lived in dirty holes in the ground many times while in the army and I was content with it. It paid my bills and schooling. A cramped air conditioned cruise ship cabin with a shower and only 14 hours a day of work would have seemed like heaven at that time. Many of the ship employees serve a shorter term then many of us did overseas. Also bear in mind I came from an upper middle class neighborhood growing up and accepted my working conditions in the army. Many of these cruise ship employees come from living situations far below the average poor US citizen. While the working conditions are below probably what most of us have, it can in fact be a good environment as compared to where they came from. Having travelled the world outside of tourist areas I can tell you, living and working on a cruise ship is 100x better then how a majority of the world lives. air conditioning? medical care? a bed? shelter? pay? Food? Things people literally kill over in some parts of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klmorg Posted May 14, 2012 #77 Share Posted May 14, 2012 I haven't read thru all these posts, becasue I have seen them all before.:rolleyes: I don't care what anyone on the ship makes, servers included. I don't care about their salary, their benefits, their tips, or ANYTHING related to their compensation. Just as no one should be concerned with my salary. They have a choice about their employment just like we all do. All I know is... the service I have received has been worth every dime I have ever spent. What they may make or not make doesn't impact my tipping habits. I will always pay the suggested auto-tips as that is most convenient for me (and I usually pre-pay them). I will also tip extra when warranted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
honestguy Posted May 14, 2012 #78 Share Posted May 14, 2012 The servers are paid very well compared to what they would make in their home country. A server makes between 25k to 40 on the very high end of the scale. People here are wondering why Americans aren't doing the job. Well go back to 2004 05 and 06 when NCLA was taking off. They couldn't keep their ships staffed.(and if it wasn't for a bad economy they wouldn't be able to keep the POAM staffed now) I worked for NCLA as a Waiter, and I was making 1400 every 2 weeks after taxes. It was good money, but the hours were long 70 plus a week. No days off for 5 months. People would quit after only a few days on the job. Labor issues were one of the main reasons why NCLA wasn't successful. Most of the cruiselines won't even consider an American for a job as a waiter or a room attendent. Lastly understand any good waiter here in the states can make way more than 30 to 40k working half to 1/3 of the hours people on board make. factor in after that subpar food and subpar healthcare, and sharing a cabin with 3 others, the job isn't so peachy. Those waiters are earning every penny they make! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rottweiler Puppy Posted May 14, 2012 #79 Share Posted May 14, 2012 I don't care what anyone on the ship makes, servers included. I don't care about their salary, their benefits, their tips, or ANYTHING related to their compensation. Just as no one should be concerned with my salary. They have a choice about their employment just like we all do. agreed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rydan Posted May 14, 2012 #80 Share Posted May 14, 2012 If you dollar cost average (DCA) a waiters salery, even if they make 40k. keep in mind they work more then double the amount a hours. So, there 40k is a hard earned amount. I could not imagine how bad it is back home, for them to take on that job. I am also including all F&B as well as housekeeping and back of house employees. Makes me really thankful to live in such a great country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
near the beach Posted May 14, 2012 #81 Share Posted May 14, 2012 Servers in the US make over $4 for a base pay plus tips. Servers on Carnival ships are not guaranteed a salary over than their low base pay. When not working in the main dining room they work on the lido deck. If the ship is in dry dock they help with construction. This is what we were told by dining room staff we talked to. They share a cabin with one other crew member. They are required to tip $1 a day in the crew dining room. It may not be a great life. But it pays much better than what they can make in their home country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachpete Posted May 14, 2012 #82 Share Posted May 14, 2012 It may not be a great life. But it pays much better than what they can make in their home country. Bingo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruisenanny Posted May 14, 2012 #83 Share Posted May 14, 2012 Servers in the US make over $4 for a base pay plus tips. We may be the exception, but here in NJ the min wage for tipped employees is $2.13 hr. And the employee rarely sees a dime of that because it is all consumed to pay taxes on the declared tips. (which must bring the server up to the states regular min wage) Why aren't all the crusaders up in arms about this?? It is happening right here in the US, but many folks don't bat an eye at stiffing a server or throwing down a buck or two at the local diner or TGIF. Strange. AND, the most a server here in the US might get from their employer is a free meal per shift, they aren't getting a place to sleep, medical coverage, unlimited food, etc.. I agree with you, and with soooo many others who have said the same. The people that work for the cruise lines would NOT be doing it if it wasn't financially smart for them.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachpete Posted May 14, 2012 #84 Share Posted May 14, 2012 The reason we don't care about US servers, is that we feel like Mother Theresa helping out the world........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tutankhamen Posted May 14, 2012 #85 Share Posted May 14, 2012 I haven't read thru all these posts, becasue I have seen them all before.:rolleyes: I don't care what anyone on the ship makes, servers included. I don't care about their salary, their benefits, their tips, or ANYTHING related to their compensation. Just as no one should be concerned with my salary. They have a choice about their employment just like we all do. . But yet you felt the need to not only click on a thread that asks "How much servers make" but you even contributed to the thread that is entirely about what you say you don't care about. Mind blowing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tutankhamen Posted May 14, 2012 #86 Share Posted May 14, 2012 I don't understand this concern about shipboard salaries. Are you as concerned about the salaries of service providers on land? Judy, with all do respect, this is a cruise based message board. Would it make much sense for us to discuss what Tom Dick and Harry make down at my local pub? :confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elcuchio24 Posted May 14, 2012 #87 Share Posted May 14, 2012 I think too much rumor what anyone who works on a ship makes.Tipped or salaried Servers will never tell you how much they make, or if they do they're lying one way or the other. When I was a waiter, I kept what I made like a state secret!;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elcuchio24 Posted May 14, 2012 #88 Share Posted May 14, 2012 We may be the exception, but here in NJ the min wage for tipped employees is $2.13 hr. And the employee rarely sees a dime of that because it is all consumed to pay taxes on the declared tips. (which must bring the server up to the states regular min wage) Why aren't all the crusaders up in arms about this?? It is happening right here in the US, but many folks don't bat an eye at stiffing a server or throwing down a buck or two at the local diner or TGIF. Strange. AND, the most a server here in the US might get from their employer is a free meal per shift, they aren't getting a place to sleep, medical coverage, unlimited food, etc.. I agree with you, and with soooo many others who have said the same. The people that work for the cruise lines would NOT be doing it if it wasn't financially smart for them.. Yep, it was about $2.80 last time I ran a restaurant, which was several years ago. But don't feel too sorry for servers: it all depends on the job you have and your level of skill. When I was 17 I walked out on satureday nights with a couple hundred bucks in my pocket, I had no problem with the hourly wage:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tutankhamen Posted May 14, 2012 #89 Share Posted May 14, 2012 Wife just emailed me a contract that was signed by an applicant for another major cruise line. Job, Assistant Waitress. "Portion of monthly basic pay payable by the company: $50.00 Hourly overtime rate: $3.98 Monthly vacation pay: .00 Monthly guaranteed pay including overtime: $890.00 Filipino Allotment: .00 CBA Daily sick wage rate: $15.30 Other then the $50.00per month of the basic monthly pay to be paid by the company, the monthly guaranteed pay is inclusive of all gratuities provided by passengers. The company will recommend that passengers pay gratuities in accordance with the pay scale in the Collective Bargaining Agreement" Of course this does not answer how much they make in tips, but does give you some insight on the contract between the staff and the cruise line and their base pay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havingfun2010 Posted May 14, 2012 #90 Share Posted May 14, 2012 I really do not understand the this whole thread. It's non of my business what they make, what benefits they get or how they live there life. I don't care if they have friends, 5 babies at home, or if they live in a shack, or a huge mansion. I eat at McDonalds, and the workers there have miserable jobs, but I still buy it. Why would a cruise be different. Who are we, to judge if they are happy with their money, or not. They make the choice, just like we make a choice. So in a nut shell, it's non of our business! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klmorg Posted May 14, 2012 #91 Share Posted May 14, 2012 But yet you felt the need to not only click on a thread that asks "How much servers make" but you even contributed to the thread that is entirely about what you say you don't care about. Mind blowing. Are you the new (self-appointed) moderator?:confused: :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crusinpsychRN Posted May 14, 2012 #92 Share Posted May 14, 2012 I just looked on a site I have saved and I know its wrong. I will bet its based on who goes by the tipping guidelines and is subject to change http://www.cruiseshipjob.net/joblistings/ note that assistant cruise director makes $2600-$2800 and safety officer makes $2600-$3000.Those numbers are all very bad estimates i would bet Wow, cruise director makes more than the doctor! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PopeSailin Posted May 14, 2012 #93 Share Posted May 14, 2012 These things I DO know to be facts. I have been in the casino industry for almost 20 years and have considered working on board CCL back before I ever took my first cruise. I applied for work and was offered a job dealing in the casino (they didnt tell me what ship) for 20 dollars per week from Carnival and the rest of my pay would be in tips. I was shocked at this low amount of money and declined the offer due to the fact that I didnt know how much the ship dealers normally made in tips. So it does not suprise me the slightest bit about the rumored 45 dollars a month. Now people are saying that the ships crew work for 9-10 months out the year w/o a day off. Well I disagree with this. The crew has a rotation that "mans" the ship while in ports. With most passengers off the ship while in ports SOME of the crew can have off time. I know of some that actually pay others to do their job while in port so they can have the day off. The MAIN working days for the crew (with long hours and lots of work) would be sea days and home port days (changing cruise pax). Still even considering the previously mentioned, the crew has a tough job living in a room the size of a lot peoples clossets for that long of a stretch at a time. It would be hard but kind of fun, I still think about maybe trying it one day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachpete Posted May 14, 2012 #94 Share Posted May 14, 2012 Wow, cruise director makes more than the doctor! I never tip the Dr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tutankhamen Posted May 14, 2012 #95 Share Posted May 14, 2012 Are you the new (self-appointed) moderator?:confused: :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: WOW, what a stretch!! :D Simply pointing out how it makes no sense to click on a topic that you state you don't care about. Then you reply to a topic that you don't care about. And now, you have come back to, not only to continue to read about a topic you don't care about, but to respond once again. Classic! Thanks for the laughs. Made the dreary day a bit brighter with some humor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INTERLINER13 Posted May 14, 2012 #96 Share Posted May 14, 2012 I doubt Carnival is forcing people to cruise on their ships, but Carnival does make it clear that tipping is expected and provides guidelines for what each passenger should tip. I'm sure Carnival takes the percentage of people who don't tip, and roll it into the amount of the people who do. So if 100% of people tipped they might be able to lower the amount to 7.00 a day. The waiter on my last cruise worked for Carnival since 1999, maybe before. So I would imagine there is something that keeps him coming back for more. I would be willing to bet he makes as much as, if not more then I do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halos Posted May 14, 2012 #97 Share Posted May 14, 2012 I am having a discussion with hubby on how much the servers and everyone make. I remember seeing a post on this - can anyone tell me where to find it? Thanks, Honestly curious here. People ask this all the time and I wonder why....do people sit around and question other workers salaries??? Do you all ponder how much your dentist reels in a year or the guy who picks up your trash???? Why are people so consumed with the salaries of others??? :confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sargent_Schultz Posted May 14, 2012 #98 Share Posted May 14, 2012 I'm still sure that nobody here knows and that it doesn't matter, anyway. Do people really believe everything that is posted here and/or on other Internet sites? :confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halos Posted May 14, 2012 #99 Share Posted May 14, 2012 it doesn't matter, anyway. I agree. It definitely shouldn't matter, that's for sure. It's none of our business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elcuchio24 Posted May 14, 2012 #100 Share Posted May 14, 2012 I'm still sure that nobody here knows and that it doesn't matter, anyway. Do people really believe everything that is posted here and/or on other Internet sites? :confused: Exactly! Threads like this are just conjecture and banter;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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