Common courtesy?

[sparks1093]

my context was just on the balcony...

 

smokers have the same rights to all of the ship.

 

Please dont take my comments out of context. this is about the balcony and smoking

 

Not taking your comments out of context. CCL gives them the right to smoke on the balcony, which is part of the 10% or so of the ship that they can use for that purpose. As non-smokers we can accept that or not and we know going in that it's allowed. Sure, we can ask our neighbors to not smoke but they are within their rights to ignore the request. Yes, the world would be a far better place if everyone could get along but given human nature I don't expect that we'll ever get there.

[kyrisong1]

This is a question for both non-smokers and smokers.

 

What would a smoker accept as a form of communication between their self and a non-smoker on balconies next to each other?

 

Both have rights - is there a way something could be worked out so that both parties could enjoy their balconies without anyone being put out?

The nonsmoking balconies are the spa baloncies, otherwise try to get as forward as possible, if you are forward the smoke won't come at you because as the boat sails the wind is blowing back right????

Otherwise what you are saying here makes no difference at all, the rules state people can smoke on their PRIVATE balcony.

Carole

[Out to sea!]

first of all I am not convinced that there is a cruiseline like that.

 

Second, this is EXACTLY the reason people are angry with smokers. its that type of attitude.

 

I was commenting on a post that said the NON SMOKERS need to tolerate more... I was just saying how they are not in any control ON THE BALCONY and it takes the smoker to tolerate. I think there needs to be communication on both parts to tolerate each other.

 

So if communication and toleration is not your cup of tea.... then that's a problem that this message board will not be able to help with. Maybe medication

 

Well, maybe this will convince you.

 

http://www.princess.com/news/article.jsp?newsArticleId=na1165

 

Now can I guarantee that no one will break the rules? Of course not, no more than I can stop the smugglers on Carnival. But at least on Princess you have the right to complain to get the smoker to stop breaking the rules. As for tolerance, while I applaud someone who voluntarily gives up their right to do something they are allowed to do, many here believe that their right to a smoke free atmosphere outweighs someone else's right to enjoy their balcony in accordance to the rules set forth by Carnival, up to and including spraying skunk water on their balcony. To be clear, smokers have a right, set forth by Carnival, to smoke on their balcony, irregardless of what their neighbor's wishes are. Non-smokers enjoy no rights to a smoke free environment on their balcony. As long as the non-smoker understands that and approaches the smoker knowing this, then i would think some sort of agreement could be worked out. But if not, then that's not the fault of the smoker as the non-smoker has other options as I have shown in the above link.

[Out to sea!]

another low to mankind... man, people are rough..

 

people should always work with others. it's amazing how selfish people can be (On both sides of this situation)

 

See post 279.

[hftmrock]

As for tolerance, while I applaud someone who voluntarily gives up their right to do something they are allowed to do, many here believe that their right to a smoke free atmosphere outweighs someone else's right to enjoy their balcony in accordance to the rules set forth by Carnival,

 

no one is asking them to 'give up their right'... geeze... Its called cooperation and caring for your fellow man.

 

I have the right to bring my child in the main dining room and have him/her scream at the top of her lungs for the entire 2 hours without me doing anything about it.

 

I have the right to sing on the balcony at the top of my lungs for 10 hours at a time

 

I have the right to wear a speedo all around the ship while dancing all around

 

There is A LOT of things I have the RIGHT TO DO but that doesnt mean I should do that. I do care about my fellow cruisemates and I will have the MOST FUN I can possibly have with the knowledge that I have not bothered my fellow cruisers.

 

People are allowed to smoke on the balcony. They can do it from the time they get on the ship till the time they leave and smoke 1,000 cigarettes and no one will say they broke any rules.

 

That doesnt mean they should. A little courtesy goes a long way. Sometime you smoke and the person that might have mentioned that it bothers them will go inside and sometimes when they see the person on their balcony they will skip smoking for a little while. Its called respect. Its called common sense. its called courtesy.

 

See post 279.

 

I did... still sad that you dont see a solution that would benefit both.

 

but... whatever.

[needabreakcanada]

Well we will have to hope and pray for some common courtesy. I was strongly advised not to get a cabin on spa deck, with not having cruised before, it is higher risk of sea sickness. (which we don't know if we will experience or not).

 

I wonder if I were to take a small fan just in case if that would help (blow it out to sea?).

 

Thanks for suggestions

[hftmrock]

Well we will have to hope and pray for some common courtesy. I was strongly advised not to get a cabin on spa deck, with not having cruised before, it is higher risk of sea sickness. (which we don't know if we will experience or not).

 

I wonder if I were to take a small fan just in case if that would help (blow it out to sea?).

 

Thanks for suggestions

 

 

i heard fans will get confiscated.

 

The likelihood that you will have someone selfish as a neighbor is unlikely. Just go without worrying.. you will have a great time

[twindaddy]

One of the reasons I am looking foward to an aft extended, I would hope the smoke would blow out the back of the ship. Can anyone confirm or deny that?

[wasiii]

One of the reasons I am looking foward to an aft extended, I would hope the smoke would blow out the back of the ship. Can anyone confirm or deny that?

 

.....it is confirmed.

 

:)

 

wasiii

[twindaddy]

.....it is confirmed.

 

:)

 

wasiii

 

Awesome, thanks!

[kyrisong1]

Well we will have to hope and pray for some common courtesy. I was strongly advised not to get a cabin on spa deck, with not having cruised before, it is higher risk of sea sickness. (which we don't know if we will experience or not).

 

I wonder if I were to take a small fan just in case if that would help (blow it out to sea?).

 

Thanks for suggestions

I actually suggested a small personal ELECTRIC fan for when you had die hard smokers next to you, if you blow it the way the smoke is coming it should blow it away from you.

I don't smoke but my husband does. He might have one on the balcony first thing in the morning, maybe one before dinner and one before sleep. If this will ruin someones vacation, wow is all I can say.

I think most people are fairly polite, but what about those that constantly let their door slam behind them?? I've been jerked out of sleep more times than I can count because of the door slammers, but I really don't think they even know they are bothering me. What about those that leave their cabin lights on, all night every night??? I like to stargaze, this bothers the HECK out of me.

My point is, others do a LOT to bug each other, it's not just smokers. Common courtesy should extend to all annoying habits, not just the smokers IMO.

Carole

[needabreakcanada]

Yes carole it should apply to all aspects when "sharing" the ship.

 

Does anyone have a picture of the size fan that you have taken on the ship?

 

Thanks

[PittsburghGirlee]

What it boils down to is that we non-smokers cannot go into a smoking area and insist that the smoker stop. We can certainly ask but there is no obligation on their part to say yes. I haven't figured out the percentage but the majority of the ship is a non-smoking area.

 

What do you think the percentage is for smokers who enter a non-smoking area and ask if anyone would mind if we smoked:confused::confused:.

Nough said:rolleyes:

[sparks1093]

What do you think the percentage is for smokers who enter a non-smoking area and ask if anyone would mind if we smoked:confused::confused:.

 

Nough said:rolleyes:

 

 

 

Doesn't really matter, all we have to do is point out it is a non-smoking area. We can't make them not smoke in a smoking area and they can't make us let them smoke in a non-smoking area. Kind of how the whole thing works.

[Joeychgo]

What do you think the percentage is for smokers who enter a non-smoking area and ask if anyone would mind if we smoked:confused::confused:.

 

Nough said:rolleyes:

 

 

 

Doesn't really matter, all we have to do is point out it is a non-smoking area. We can't make them not smoke in a smoking area and they can't make us let them smoke in a non-smoking area. Kind of how the whole thing works.

 

 

No, it DOES matter. That is dead on PittsburghGirlee.

 

You dont see smokers complaining they need MORE areas to smoke in, but you CONSTANTLY hear non smokers complain. I one had someone complain I was smoking in a restaurant.. They were 30 feet away from me. Guess what... It was an electronic cigarrette.

 

Some non smokers complain falsely. I think its psycological for some. They see a cigarrette and can smell it, lit or not.

[Out to sea!]

no one is asking them to 'give up their right'... geeze... Its called cooperation and caring for your fellow man.

 

Actually, that is EXACTLY what you are asking if you ask a smoker to not smoke on their balcony on a Carnival ship. I'm not saying it's wrong to ask someone if they wouldn't mind, but it is within their rights to say "No, I'm going to puff away".

 

 

I have the right to bring my child in the main dining room and have him/her scream at the top of her lungs for the entire 2 hours without me doing anything about it.

 

I just had to put up with that for almost 11 hours on a flight from Germany!

 

 

I have the right to sing on the balcony at the top of my lungs for 10 hours at a time

 

I'm a baritone. Mind if I join you?

 

 

I have the right to wear a speedo all around the ship while dancing all around

 

In most places on the ship. And I have the right to laugh at you as you do.

 

 

There is A LOT of things I have the RIGHT TO DO but that doesnt mean I should do that. I do care about my fellow cruisemates and I will have the MOST FUN I can possibly have with the knowledge that I have not bothered my fellow cruisers.

 

I guess I care as much about my fellow cruisemates as smugglers care about following the rules. :rolleyes:

 

People are allowed to smoke on the balcony. They can do it from the time they get on the ship till the time they leave and smoke 1,000 cigarettes and no one will say they broke any rules.

 

That doesnt mean they should. A little courtesy goes a long way. Sometime you smoke and the person that might have mentioned that it bothers them will go inside and sometimes when they see the person on their balcony they will skip smoking for a little while. Its called respect. Its called common sense. its called courtesy.

 

But who are you to decide what a complete stranger should or should not do? Common sense has nothing to do with it. Respect and courtesy do. It must go both ways. Ask me politely and I will probably be happy to work with you. Ask (or attempt to tell me) any other way and I'll tell you to call Carnival and file a complaint against their rules.

[CELTICGIRLCRUISER]

It is my biggest fear when I have a balcony, that we will be eating or relaxing out there and someone will light up a cigar. The odd cigarette maybe but if it is cruise line policy what can you do.

 

Not meaning to be offensive, just truthful, I hate smoking (not the smokers) with a passion but if someone wants to smoke as long as it is not affecting me or blowing in my face/hair/cabin fair enough they have that choice but I often hear from smokers that they are a considerate smoker but is there such a thing I wonder?

[jma624]

To the angry smokers:

The smoking rules on the ship are more liberal than anywhere in the “real world”. No one is telling you not to smoke. Really, if you are enjoying the serenity area or some other non-smoking venue, and have to take a short walk to have a smoke, so what? How is that any different than when you go to a restaurant, movie, sporting event, concert …… at home? I’ll tell you the difference – you are taking a walk on a CRUISE SHIP! Enjoy the view. Have a nice conversation with other smokers. Then return to what you were doing.

 

To the angry non-smokers:

I think we non-smokers are more aware of smoke because everywhere you go in the “real world” is non-smoking. Remember smoking in bars, restaurants? on airplanes? In the office? There is a difference between the hazard of breathing second hand smoke and the annoyance of an occasional whiff of someone’s cig on the next balcony, or walking past the casino. If you are so sensitive that just smelling smoke will make you sick, then it is up to you to avoid it. There are PLENTY of places on the ship for you.

 

Bottom line, regardless of your desire for or tolerance of smoking, you know ahead of time where there is likely to be smoking as well as where it is prohibited. If you can’t abide, go somewhere else. The cruise industry will survive without you.

[Joeychgo]

To the angry smokers:

The smoking rules on the ship are more liberal than anywhere in the “real world”. No one is telling you not to smoke. Really, if you are enjoying the serenity area or some other non-smoking venue, and have to take a short walk to have a smoke, so what? How is that any different than when you go to a restaurant, movie, sporting event, concert …… at home? I’ll tell you the difference – you are taking a walk on a CRUISE SHIP! Enjoy the view. Have a nice conversation with other smokers. Then return to what you were doing.

 

 

That doesnt bother me in the slightest. I have no problem with what you describe. Most of this conversation has focused on smoking on a room balcony.

[Out to sea!]

To the angry smokers:

The smoking rules on the ship are more liberal than anywhere in the “real world”. No one is telling you not to smoke. Really, if you are enjoying the serenity area or some other non-smoking venue, and have to take a short walk to have a smoke, so what? How is that any different than when you go to a restaurant, movie, sporting event, concert …… at home? I’ll tell you the difference – you are taking a walk on a CRUISE SHIP! Enjoy the view. Have a nice conversation with other smokers. Then return to what you were doing.

 

To the angry non-smokers:

I think we non-smokers are more aware of smoke because everywhere you go in the “real world” is non-smoking. Remember smoking in bars, restaurants? on airplanes? In the office? There is a difference between the hazard of breathing second hand smoke and the annoyance of an occasional whiff of someone’s cig on the next balcony, or walking past the casino. If you are so sensitive that just smelling smoke will make you sick, then it is up to you to avoid it. There are PLENTY of places on the ship for you.

 

Bottom line, regardless of your desire for or tolerance of smoking, you know ahead of time where there is likely to be smoking as well as where it is prohibited. If you can’t abide, go somewhere else. The cruise industry will survive without you.

 

Excellent post!

[Carnivaluver]

 

Bottom line, regardless of your desire for or tolerance of smoking, you know ahead of time where there is likely to be smoking as well as where it is prohibited. If you can’t abide, go somewhere else. The cruise industry will survive without you.

 

More likely the cruise lines will survive without smokers. It is really Carnival that should be concerned about the health of all of it's passengers and there is no reason why smoking should be allowed on balconies. Create an enclosed smoke room and let smokers go there. Other cruise lines do not allow it so Carnival is behind the times.

 

New packaging for all cigarettes sold in OZ.

[sparks1093]

You dont see smokers complaining they need MORE areas to smoke in,

 

Yeah, cause they know they'd get crucified for even suggesting it:eek:.

[Out to sea!]

More likely the cruise lines will survive without smokers. It is really Carnival that should be concerned about the health of all of it's passengers and there is no reason why smoking should be allowed on balconies. Create an enclosed smoke room and let smokers go there. Other cruise lines do not allow it so Carnival is behind the times.

 

That may be, but if so, then shouldn't the issue be taken up with Carnival instead of beating up on the smoker smoking in a smoking area??

[Clipper123]

More likely the cruise lines will survive without smokers. It is really Carnival that should be concerned about the health of all of it's passengers and there is no reason why smoking should be allowed on balconies. Create an enclosed smoke room and let smokers go there. Other cruise lines do not allow it so Carnival is behind the times.

 

New packaging for all cigarettes sold in OZ.

 

 

Ummm.....they tried the no smoking thing on one ship and it failed miserably so I really don't think they can do without the smokers.

 

I happen to be a nonsmoker but would never consider asking someone smoking on their balcony to quit - sorry, but I feel that's just wrong, just as I wouldn't ask my neighbour not to drive his car down the street because it emits deadly pollutants that could affect my health. Oh yeah, that thick black, smelly cloud that comes out of the whale tail is a whole lot more dangerous than a few wiffs of diluted cigarette smoke!!!! I think a lot of people just feel they always have to have a complaint, be it real or imagined :p

[amybear912]

Other cruise lines do not allow it so Carnival is behind

 

Behind the times?? Or supplying a product that meets a demand??

 

There are more cruiseline options for non-smokers than there are for smokers...

 

I just don't understand the problem here... Smoking on balconies bother you? CHOOSE A CRUISELINE WITH A STRICTER SMOKING POLICY!!! This isn't rocket science folks! The answer is so simple I just don't understand why the debate continues...

 

The only explanation I can come up with for why non-smoking Carnival cruisers continue to complain about this:

 

What you are truly upset about is that your options for a less smoky cruise typically cost more than the Carnival option... You are actually angry because in order to support your non-smoking principles, you would have to pay more to cruise...

 

It comes down to what you value more: less exposure to smoke on a balcony or saving some money...

 

The arrogance that you feel entitled to berate smokers for abiding by Carnivals policy because you chose to save money over being true to your so-called non-smoking values... That cracks me up!