Sargent_Schultz Posted June 13, 2013 #251 Share Posted June 13, 2013 RCL MARKET CAP IS 7.33B CCL MARKET CAP IS 19.37B ANY MORE STATISTICS NEEDED ????:rolleyes: Does corporate investment or debt go into the net profit column ?? I heard Carnival ships are sailing full. Actually RCL market cap appears to be 7.47B CCL @ 26.08B CCL stock is currently up 93 cents - RCL lags at 69 cents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kybluecruiser Posted June 13, 2013 #252 Share Posted June 13, 2013 You can say that again. :p Carnival is getting new ships for under $200 million and others are paying over a billion. Well, actually financing over a billion. :eek: Think they can get 5 times the Carnival price for their cruises? I don't. Am I mistaken but doesn't carnival pay out of pocket for their ships and certain other lines have to beg foreign countries for loans and perks to build a new ship Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCOT Posted June 13, 2013 #253 Share Posted June 13, 2013 You can say that again. :p Carnival is getting new ships for under $200 million and others are paying over a billion. Well, actually financing over a billion. :eek: Think they can get 5 times the Carnival price for their cruises? I don't. Come on Mr S.S. 200 Million that's all . Breeze was some where around 700 Million. I now how much ships cost. I think the holiday cost more then that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyeman27 Posted June 13, 2013 #254 Share Posted June 13, 2013 RCL MARKET CAP IS 7.33B CCL MARKET CAP IS 19.37B ANY MORE STATISTICS NEEDED ????:rolleyes: Does corporate investment or debt go into the net profit column ?? I heard Carnival ships are sailing full. what does market cap mean to you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cjknox Posted June 13, 2013 #255 Share Posted June 13, 2013 RCCL is building new ships that people WANT to sail not REFURBISHING ships by putting lipstick on a pig and having CHUTZPAH to call it new some investors prefer growth to income To be fair Carnival has a ship on order and I hear that they are intent on ordering a few more within the next year or so. Also, you speak of investors preferring growth, yes they do but Carnival has and is projected to continue to experience growth and income. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cjknox Posted June 13, 2013 #256 Share Posted June 13, 2013 Carnival is getting new ships for under $200 million and others are paying over a billion. Well, actually financing over a billion. :eek: Think they can get 5 times the Carnival price for their cruises? I don't. The Sunshine is not a new ship....It is "like new" but is not new. By the way, Carnivals 2016 new build will cost around $840 million dollars. Of course because Carnival has more cash on hand and is in a better financial situation they don't have to finance as much but it will still be pretty expensive. I wouldn't bash Royal for ordering new ships, to each their own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCOT Posted June 13, 2013 #257 Share Posted June 13, 2013 To be fair Carnival has a ship on order and I hear that they are intent on ordering a few more within the next year or so. Also, you speak of investors preferring growth, yes they do but Carnival has and is projected to continue to experience growth and income. HI should I buy Carnival stock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.S.Oceanlover Posted June 13, 2013 #258 Share Posted June 13, 2013 Come on Mr S.S. 200 Million that's all . Breeze was some where around 700 Million. I now how much ships cost. I think the holiday cost more then that! He was probably referring to the amount of money to refurbish the Destiny and make it the "new" Sunshine. Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCOT Posted June 13, 2013 #259 Share Posted June 13, 2013 he was probably referring to the amount of money to refurbish the destiny and make it the "new" sunshine. Bill no here said new ships Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cjknox Posted June 13, 2013 #260 Share Posted June 13, 2013 I think the holiday cost more then that! The Holiday class cost around $ 150 million to build/ship The Fantasy Class cost $300 million/ship The Destiny/Triumph Classes cost $400-$450 million/ship The Conquest Class cost $525 million/ship The Splendor cost $575 million/ship The Dream class cost $740 million/ship The New Class is estimated to cost $800-$850 million/ship Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swedish weave Posted June 13, 2013 #261 Share Posted June 13, 2013 what does market cap mean to you? Numbers !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freagan Posted June 13, 2013 #262 Share Posted June 13, 2013 what does market cap mean to you? Given the equity in share price, all it means is that Carnival has more shares in circulation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sargent_Schultz Posted June 13, 2013 #263 Share Posted June 13, 2013 Am I mistaken but doesn't carnival pay out of pocket for their ships and certain other lines have to beg foreign countries for loans and perks to build a new ship Carnival certainly doesn't have to beg shipyards to guarantee financing. RCL does. Carnival's cost per lower berth is also much lower than RCL's. Numbers, doncha know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sargent_Schultz Posted June 13, 2013 #264 Share Posted June 13, 2013 He was probably referring to the amount of money to refurbish the Destiny and make it the "new" Sunshine. Bill $155 for the new Sunshine and less than that for the new Triumph. Brilliant! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sargent_Schultz Posted June 13, 2013 #265 Share Posted June 13, 2013 Given the equity in share price, all it means is that Carnival has more shares in circulation. It means that if not for anti-trust concerns, Carnival could buy RCL several times over. If they wanted them, that is. :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave85 Posted June 13, 2013 #266 Share Posted June 13, 2013 :cool:There is alot of people here who sure seem concerned about Carnival, even tho they don't sail with them anymore!!:rolleyes: You can say that again. :p Carnival is getting new ships for under $200 million and others are paying over a billion. Well, actually financing over a billion. :eek: Think they can get 5 times the Carnival price for their cruises? I don't. Err, sure, except if you consider that the billion dollar ship (I imagine you're referring to Oasis / Allure) carry wayyy more passengers than any current Carnival ship. They're significantly larger ships carrying way more passengers that are paying quite a premium to sail them, and becuase there are so many more passengers they're generating quite a bit more gross onboard revenue per sailing. Your argument that I bolded spectacularly fails. Typical fuzzy math from Sarge. Also, are you referring to "Carnival Sunshine" as a new ship? If you want to call her "new," I'll accept the premise if you acknowledge that her creation required the elimination of Carnival Destiny, an existing ship, that carried paying passengers every week that generated onboard revenue. Otherwise I'm not sure what you're talking about since the most recent, actaully new, Carnival ships cost way more than $200 million. Regarding the first quote, I would LOVE to continue sailing with Carnival in the future if they move away from their current direction, jamming ships with more and more pax and cutting back in the entertainment department. As such, I very much have a vested interest in what Carnival's up to despite not having any immediate plans to return. I really enjoyed the Carnival I sailed with many times to become a Platinum cruiser prior to the recent cuts. I hope to return to Carnival in the future when the line assumes a different direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H82seaUgo Posted June 13, 2013 #267 Share Posted June 13, 2013 $155 for the new Sunshine and less than that for the new Triumph. Brilliant! are you purposely excluding the iinitial cost of the destiny and the triumph, sayinng that the fix up costs are what is cost to creat these two ships? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOUSFBULLS44 Posted June 13, 2013 #268 Share Posted June 13, 2013 Welcome home Bob we missed you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave85 Posted June 13, 2013 #269 Share Posted June 13, 2013 are you purposely excluding the iinitial cost of the destiny and the triumph, sayinng that the fix up costs are what is cost to creat these two ships? That was my interpretation as well... A key aspect of the "fuzzy math" I referenced. :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCOT Posted June 13, 2013 #270 Share Posted June 13, 2013 It means that if not for anti-trust concerns, Carnival could buy RCL several times over. If they wanted them, that is. :p How come Carnival had problem with when buying princess????????? and RCCL want to buy / Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sargent_Schultz Posted June 13, 2013 #271 Share Posted June 13, 2013 I imagine Carnival would love to depreciate the total cost of Triumph and Destiny again, but doubt the tax gods would tolerate that kind of fuzzy math. No doubt Royal is looking forward to writing off financing costs. They need all the help they can get. :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WiCruiseDreamer Posted June 13, 2013 #272 Share Posted June 13, 2013 I imagine Carnival would love to depreciate the total cost of Triumph and Destiny again, but doubt the tax gods would tolerate that kind of fuzzy math. No doubt Royal is looking forward to writing off financing costs. They need all the help they can get. :p True, they can not depreciate again the cost of the ships, they will however depreciate the value of the renovations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halos Posted June 13, 2013 #273 Share Posted June 13, 2013 Am I mistaken but doesn't carnival pay out of pocket for their ships and certain other lines have to beg foreign countries for loans and perks to build a new ship Does CCL corp also pay out of pocket to take care of the lawsuits and massive repairs and compensation to passengers this past year??? What does any of this mean to the average passenger...NOTHING. People who get on a ship just want a good cruise. They don't care about Carnival's financial stability....only the obsessed fans do. All this talk about CCL finances and CCL stock. ...Up/Down~~Doing better than RCI, or not. Are you people for real?? The REAL stockholders ...ones who have invested a lot more than the average CC member are likely the ones who wanted Dickinson brought IN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare jimbo5544 Posted June 13, 2013 #274 Share Posted June 13, 2013 And all this talk of new ships/old ships/new old ships/old new ships/old old ships/new new ships and stock value has exactly what to do with Bob Dickenson being back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WiCruiseDreamer Posted June 13, 2013 #275 Share Posted June 13, 2013 And all this talk of new ships/old ships/new old ships/old new ships/old old ships/new new ships and stock value has exactly what to do with Bob Dickenson being back? Could it be that some figure the stock value will increase with the return of Bob? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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