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The half aft pool, crew serenity, etc. and the whole design in general. Carnival is known for adding a deck and calling it a new class ship. Not this time. Just take a look at the model.This is a brand new design and a fresh start to carnivals recent troubles. And we have yet to see the details of the inside of the ship yet...

 

Thanks for the reply. I hope there are a few surprises to come.:)

 

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Our inside on the Allure was almost the same size as an inside on CCL. However, I could see the importance of having more area in a cabin on CCL as you'll spend more time in it. It gives you a place to rest when you are tired of the long lines on the lido deck, the huge mobs of people on the promenade deck and pool area. Also, with a lack of entertainment and activities, you can sit in the room and watch the colorado feeds on the TV- wow!

We really didn't spend much time in our room as, along with the ports, we had a lot of shows to see, rode the flowrider, merry go round, attended the parades, got pics with dreamworks charactors, etc.

This new CCL ship looks like a continuation of CCL trying to cram more people into an old design, nothing at all innovative.

I remember when the sunshine came out, you said that the it would not be crowded, that CCL's cracker jack team of designers would make a crowded ship feel less crowded by adding 400 more people to it- yeah, we all know how that went.

 

 

Ok I usually don't respond to things like this, but I just can't help myself. We were just on the breeze in feb and I actually don't recall huge lines for anything. We loved the breeze! I'm looking forward to carnivals new ship and I'm not going to pay extra for flo-riders, merry go rounds, bumper cars, clowns, balloons or whatever. I want be on a ship and feel like I'm on a ship and not at a circus carnival. We never went to bed before midnight so to say that it's better to have a larger room on carnival is better because you are in your room longer because there is nothing to do at night is an understatement. You have plenty of choices of what to do day and night and you can go to bed early if that's your choice. Personally I like the deck party's at night until I can't dance anymore, and movies under the stars, walking around the ship late at night, hot tubs late at night are the best!, being in the casino, the shows, the comedy shows, the piano bar....should I continue???

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Our inside on the Allure was almost the same size as an inside on CCL. However, I could see the importance of having more area in a cabin on CCL as you'll spend more time in it. It gives you a place to rest when you are tired of the long lines on the lido deck, the huge mobs of people on the promenade deck and pool area. Also, with a lack of entertainment and activities, you can sit in the room and watch the colorado feeds on the TV- wow!

We really didn't spend much time in our room as, along with the ports, we had a lot of shows to see, rode the flowrider, merry go round, attended the parades, got pics with dreamworks charactors, etc.

This new CCL ship looks like a continuation of CCL trying to cram more people into an old design, nothing at all innovative.

I remember when the sunshine came out, you said that the it would not be crowded, that CCL's cracker jack team of designers would make a crowded ship feel less crowded by adding 400 more people to it- yeah, we all know how that went.

 

 

And by the way, the TV feeds are from Miami, have been for awhile now.

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I think you all are making a lot of assumptions. There is absolutely no indication that the prototype Fincantieri ship model will be the next Carnival Cruise Lines newbuild. In fact I would be quite surprised if it were, as Carnival in general is rather conservative and typically not the company to go with something unproven. Of course there are exceptions, but I would be quite surprised to see a midship funnel arrangement on the next Carnival newbuild.

 

Much more likely is the next Carnival newbuild taking it's DNA from this ship.

 

news_aida_newbuild.jpg

 

This is the new AIDA ship being built in Japan, and although it looks very little like the Dream Class at first glance, take a closer look as the GA (general arrangement) is based off the Dream Class. There are "cove balconies" and the extended promenade over the lifeboats. Funny enough, people (even Micky Arison) are giving NCL credit for the "Boardwalk" promenade on the Breakaway Class, but Carnival actually had it first ever since the CARNIVAL DREAM, it just wasn't developed to its full potential. It was originally designed to alleviate congestion on the upper decks, but it could be turned into a thriving day and night venue connecting the inside to the outside. It already does this to a certain degree, but NCL has taken the concept to a new level.

 

Anyway the new AIDA ships incorporate the Dream Class extended promenade but from the looks of it, it has evolved. Also keep in mind that Carnival Cruise Lines is using the same designer as AIDA these days, Partner Ship Design based in Germany. AIDA has been using them for their innovative interiors for years now, and Carnival just started recently after giving Joe Farcus his walking papers.

 

So I'm not saying the next Carnival ship will look exactly like this new AIDA class ship (it will be tweaked to fit the Carnival brand), but I'm guessing it will resemble it much more than the Fincantieri prototype model. It's also interesting to note the AIDA new ship, the Carnival new ship, and the existing Dream Class are all similar in size, around 125,000-135,000 gt.

 

Time will tell.

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I think you all are making a lot of assumptions. There is absolutely no indication that the prototype Fincantieri ship model will be the next Carnival Cruise Lines newbuild. In fact I would be quite surprised if it were, as Carnival in general is rather conservative and typically not the company to go with something unproven. Of course there are exceptions, but I would be quite surprised to see a midship funnel arrangement on the next Carnival newbuild.

 

Much more likely is the next Carnival newbuild taking it's DNA from this ship.

 

news_aida_newbuild.jpg

 

This is the new AIDA ship being built in Japan, and although it looks very little like the Dream Class at first glance, take a closer look as the GA (general arrangement) is based off the Dream Class. There are "cove balconies" and the extended promenade over the lifeboats. Funny enough, people (even Micky Arison) are giving NCL credit for the "Boardwalk" promenade on the Breakaway Class, but Carnival actually had it first ever since the CARNIVAL DREAM, it just wasn't developed to its full potential. It was originally designed to alleviate congestion on the upper decks, but it could be turned into a thriving day and night venue connecting the inside to the outside. It already does this to a certain degree, but NCL has taken the concept to a new level.

 

Anyway the new AIDA ships incorporate the Dream Class extended promenade but from the looks of it, it has evolved. Also keep in mind that Carnival Cruise Lines is using the same designer as AIDA these days, Partner Ship Design based in Germany. AIDA has been using them for their innovative interiors for years now, and Carnival just started recently after giving Joe Farcus his walking papers.

 

So I'm not saying the next Carnival ship will look exactly like this new AIDA class ship (it will be tweaked to fit the Carnival brand), but I'm guessing it will resemble it much more than the Fincantieri prototype model. It's also interesting to note the AIDA new ship, the Carnival new ship, and the existing Dream Class are all similar in size, around 125,000-135,000 gt.

 

Time will tell.

 

Hmm. I have not seen this one yet? It is hard to tell but is there an overhang for a pool deck 5 aft on this model?

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I think you all are making a lot of assumptions. There is absolutely no indication that the prototype Fincantieri ship model will be the next Carnival Cruise Lines newbuild. In fact I would be quite surprised if it were, as Carnival in general is rather conservative and typically not the company to go with something unproven.

 

i agree and have been thinking the same thing.

 

the aida ship is a possibility, but i think the even more likely option has been overlooked. i would not be surprised if (in fact would be a little surprised if it were not), based off of the breeze, or currently-being-built costa diadema:

 

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the diadema is based off the carnival dream/magic/breeze, and at 132,500 grt, is 2,500 grt larger than breeze, and just short of the anticipated 135,000 ton size being proposed for the 2016 'new ships'.

 

it could just be inheriting whatever else they added to get the additional 2,500 tons on the diadema, then finding somewhere to add a few more cabins lol. they could just take the same basic hull and platform, add another 5,000 tons (versus dream / breeze), and given the slightly larger size, call it a 'new class' for the simple fact that it does have material differences.

 

they did the same thing when after the destiny was completed, they slapped on an extra small deck of pax cabins, and voila there's a triumph class. there was only a difference of 156 grt between destiny and triumph, yet 'a new class is born' :rolleyes:

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Hmm. I have not seen this one yet? It is hard to tell but is there an overhang for a pool deck 5 aft on this model?

 

 

I haven't seen any aft view renderings of the AIDA ship, but I would say an aft pool on deck five is quite possible.

 

On the Dream Class, the hull or "cove" balconies are on deck 3. If the hull balconies on the new AIDA ship follow suit, there appears to be an open extended aft deck about two decks up from those, which would be deck 5. There are also glass elevators (one on each side) in the aft section of the ship which is interesting.

 

I enlarged the aft end of the AIDA rendering, and it certainly looks like there could be a pool area aft on Deck 5.

 

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i agree and have been thinking the same thing.

 

the aida ship is a possibility, but i think the even more likely option has been overlooked. i would not be surprised if (in fact would be a little surprised if it were not), based off of the breeze, or currently-being-built costa diadema:

 

they did the same thing when after the destiny was completed, they slapped on an extra small deck of pax cabins, and voila there's a triumph class. there was only a difference of 156 grt between destiny and triumph, yet 'a new class is born' :rolleyes:

 

 

 

Mark,

You pointed out yet another very viable possibility, much more believable than Carnival going with an untested prototype. Perhaps we will see parts of both the COSTA DIADEMA and the new AIDA ship in the Carnival newbuild? After all, both ships share the same basic DNA which goes all the way back to the CARNIVAL DESTINY. It's a basic design that Carnival seems to love, and much cheaper tweaking something that already exists than starting fresh with a completely new design.

 

I agree Carnival is notorious for calling a ship a "new class" when essentially it's the same as the previous class, just tweaked a bit and on steroids. I'm not yet convinced the new Carnival newbuild will be anything more than what we have already seen but again tweaked and enlarged.

 

I can hope and dream that Carnival will prove us wrong, but I'm not holding my breath.

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You pointed out yet another very viable possibility, much more believable than Carnival going with an untested prototype. Perhaps we will see parts of both the COSTA DIADEMA and the new AIDA ship in the Carnival newbuild? After all, both ships share the same basic DNA which goes all the way back to the CARNIVAL DESTINY. It's a basic design that Carnival seems to love, and much cheaper tweaking something that already exists than starting fresh with a completely new design.

 

I agree Carnival is notorious for calling a ship a "new class" when essentially it's the same as the previous class, just tweaked a bit and on steroids. I'm not yet convinced the new Carnival newbuild will be anything more than what we have already seen but again tweaked and enlarged.

 

I can hope and dream that Carnival will prove us wrong, but I'm not holding my breath.

 

carnival's been building on the same destiny platform for years in destiny -> triumph -> conquest -> splendor -> dream, no indication they'll change that any time soon, and with a variance of only 5,000 grt vs breeze, no reason to think they will imo.

 

i would say though, that the aida class does not exactly share the same dna with the destiny -> dream platform. it's more similar to their 7X,000 ships in terms of layout and such than the destiny platform imo.

 

however, there are a few things which i think they would be wise to implement from that aida build. first, the new aida class will have dual-fuel capability, where they are able to run on LNG (liquid natural gas) when available - this would drastically reduce co2 emissions, and put them in a great place in terms of the emissions regulations which are approaching in 2015 and forward (and used as justification for pride leaving baltimore).

 

second, they are implementing the mitsubishi air lubrication system (MALS), which 'allows the ships to glide on a carpet of air bubbles, which not only reduces friction resistance, but also cuts fuel consumption.'. Both of those items are cutting edge in terms of cruise ship technology, and actually will contribute to the bottom line, so i wouldn't be surprised if that's what we see from the aida new builds, implemented to the new carnival ships. however, they may decide to see how it goes there first, before re-shaping the cookie cutter for new carnival builds.

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While I am unsure of the design of the 2016 new build, I am certain that most of the features stated in my first post will be implemented in the new build. The design with the glass elevators on the side is growing on me, I must say.

 

well if that's so, the fact that about 1/2 of them directly reference features in terms of comparison to the breeze, it is logical to assume that the design is based on the breeze, and tweaked to include such features, as referenced in comparison to the breeze layout and design. it only further supports a more conservative tweaking of the dream class rather than a total new class, IF those items bear out and are true.

 

however, in terms of:

 

3. Ship will be approximately 21 feet longer at bow and 30 feet at aft;

4. It will be the same width as the Dream Class;

 

no way, not if it's based on the breeze and only adding 5000 grt, unless they start chopping off decks from the existing design.

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You'll have to enlighten me. Which factor did they leave out?

 

"The primary reason for choosing a particular cruise line is price (53%)."

 

When it comes to price, Carnival is clearly the leader. Other cruise lines simply cannot compete day in and day out on price and stay is business.

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I think you all are making a lot of assumptions. There is absolutely no indication that the prototype Fincantieri ship model will be the next Carnival Cruise Lines newbuild. In fact I would be quite surprised if it were, as Carnival in general is rather conservative and typically not the company to go with something unproven. Of course there are exceptions, but I would be quite surprised to see a midship funnel arrangement on the next Carnival newbuild.

 

Much more likely is the next Carnival newbuild taking it's DNA from this ship.

 

news_aida_newbuild.jpg

 

This is the new AIDA ship being built in Japan, and although it looks very little like the Dream Class at first glance, take a closer look as the GA (general arrangement) is based off the Dream Class. There are "cove balconies" and the extended promenade over the lifeboats. Funny enough, people (even Micky Arison) are giving NCL credit for the "Boardwalk" promenade on the Breakaway Class, but Carnival actually had it first ever since the CARNIVAL DREAM, it just wasn't developed to its full potential. It was originally designed to alleviate congestion on the upper decks, but it could be turned into a thriving day and night venue connecting the inside to the outside. It already does this to a certain degree, but NCL has taken the concept to a new level.

 

Anyway the new AIDA ships incorporate the Dream Class extended promenade but from the looks of it, it has evolved. Also keep in mind that Carnival Cruise Lines is using the same designer as AIDA these days, Partner Ship Design based in Germany. AIDA has been using them for their innovative interiors for years now, and Carnival just started recently after giving Joe Farcus his walking papers.

 

So I'm not saying the next Carnival ship will look exactly like this new AIDA class ship (it will be tweaked to fit the Carnival brand), but I'm guessing it will resemble it much more than the Fincantieri prototype model. It's also interesting to note the AIDA new ship, the Carnival new ship, and the existing Dream Class are all similar in size, around 125,000-135,000 gt.

 

Time will tell.

 

 

I find it extremely comical that you criticize others for making assumptions when you yourself are doing the same exact thing. All any of us can do at this point is assume and speculate since the official design and subsequent information has not been released yet.

 

I dont think that the 2016 newbuild will be an AIDA derivative mainly because Carnival and AIDA have never shared designs and/or platforms. I think if anything the AIDA newbuild will take certain concepts from the Dream class (eg: Hull Balconies, Extended Promenade) but by no means will either ship have any major design/ layout similarities.

 

Ernie, you also have to keep in mind that just because the new build is similar in size to the Dream class doesn't mean it will be another Destiny derivative.

 

I strongly believe that Project Mille will be the new Carnival ship for 2016.

 

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I find it extremely comical that you criticize others for making assumptions when you yourself are doing the same exact thing. All any of us can do at this point is assume and speculate since the official design and subsequent information has not been released yet.

 

I dont think that the 2016 newbuild will be an AIDA derivative mainly because Carnival and AIDA have never shared designs and/or platforms. I think if anything the AIDA newbuild will take certain concepts from the Dream class (eg: Hull Balconies, Extended Promenade) but by no means will either ship have any major design/ layout similarities.

 

Ernie, you also have to keep in mind that just because the new build is similar in size to the Dream class doesn't mean it will be another Destiny derivative.

 

I strongly believe that Project Mille will be the new Carnival ship for 2016.

 

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I do too. I think it is carnivalesque. Lol like you said this is just a speculation game until an official announcement from carnival. Hopefully it will be soon.

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I have a question for you Tenured Carnival cruisers. When the dream class was announced, was it announced they planned to build three or was the first one announced the later down the road the announce plans to build two more?

 

I know the Breeze was announced right after the Dream debuted.

 

I want to say the Dream and the Magic were announced at the same time, but I may be wrong.

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While I am unsure of the design of the 2016 new build, I am certain that most of the features stated in my first post will be implemented in the new build. The design with the glass elevators on the side is growing on me, I must say.

 

Whatever, Just admit you don't have a clue. For all your "isnide info", "reliable sources", erc. you are purely specualting. Unless you are on the Carnival design team (and would therfore be sworn to secrecy) you are simply speculating. As another poster said...even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

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I have a question for you Tenured Carnival cruisers. When the dream class was announced, was it announced they planned to build three or was the first one announced the later down the road the announce plans to build two more?

 

Originally Carnival just ordered two (Dream & Magic) then later they announced another order for a third Dream class ship (Breeze) in 2010.

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i would say though, that the aida class does not exactly share the same dna with the destiny -> dream platform. it's more similar to their 7X,000 ships in terms of layout and such than the destiny platform imo.

 

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When the deck plans are released you will see what I mean. A very similar general layout to the Dream Class from a basic passenger perspective. Meaning two decks of passenger cabins below the public areas, one being hull balconies, then a few decks of public areas, then balcony can s above that and so on.

 

The current/latest AIDA ships (Sphinx Class) follow a very different arrangement, with almost all public area located on higher decks just below the pool areas.

 

I knew about the bubbles you mentioned, but didn't realize the Japan newbuilds will be LNG capable. That is the first I've heard of that.

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I find it extremely comical that you criticize others for making assumptions when you yourself are doing the same exact thing. All any of us can do at this point is assume and speculate since the official design and subsequent information has not been released yet.

 

 

Fair enough, and yes we do agree on one thing. At this point everything is pure speculation. I'm basing my speculation on Carnival's past history and behaviors and what they are likely to do with a newbuild. It doesn't mean that it will actually be the case.

 

Anyway as I mentioned before time will tell.

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Fair enough, and yes we do agree on one thing. At this point everything is pure speculation. I'm basing my speculation on Carnival's past history and behaviors and what they are likely to do with a newbuild. It doesn't mean that it will actually be the case.

 

Anyway as I mentioned before time will tell.

 

I at first thought they may use the royal princess as a the basis of the 2016 build since it was built by the same ship builder. They would only be a 5,000 gt difference.

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I at first thought they may use the royal princess as a the basis of the 2016 build since it was built by the same ship builder. They would only be a 5,000 gt difference.

 

 

I thought this as well. Carnival Corp. typically uses the same platform across multiple brands. For some reason (I can't remember why) I don't believe the RP platform will be used for this Carnival newbuild.

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I thought this as well. Carnival Corp. typically uses the same platform across multiple brands. For some reason (I can't remember why) I don't believe the RP platform will be used for this Carnival newbuild.

 

I don't now. I hope it is something new. One reason I think the Mille project may be it. It is designed so it can be larger or smaller gross ton. I believe the design we see in the pic can go as low as 60,00 gt according to the article. What made that stick out to me is it may be not only for the 2016 build but other new ships to replace the aging fantasy class. This would keep in carnival's tradition of sticking to one design.

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They are eliminating the open space above 3 floors up. Pretty sure people can't use this space on existing ships unless they have wings....

 

 

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But when they put cabins in this space they will add pax without adding public space so the ships won't just "feel" more crowded, they will BE more crowded.

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