bermudabum Posted November 6, 2013 #1 Share Posted November 6, 2013 http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/11/05/3733522/pamela-conover-resigning-as-seadream.html What did Vandrefalk say to her ?? :o :o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Avery Posted November 6, 2013 #2 Share Posted November 6, 2013 I am not terribly surprised. I had hopes for her at SD that she might have some say in policies. I suspect SeaDream is too closely held for that. We wish her all the best in whatever the future brings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Host Dan Posted November 6, 2013 #3 Share Posted November 6, 2013 I definitely wish Pam all the best! Host Dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare knotheadusc Posted November 6, 2013 #4 Share Posted November 6, 2013 Wow. That wasn't a very long tenure. :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDreamer Posted November 6, 2013 #5 Share Posted November 6, 2013 Wow, really sorry to hear this. We were impressed with her when we met her in S.C. I really felt she listened to our concerns openly and honestly, without stepping over the line with any immediate false promises or pat answers that - quite honestly - I was expecting to hear. I wish Ms. Conover the best. She is a class act. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vandrefalk Posted November 6, 2013 #6 Share Posted November 6, 2013 Wow! I'm shocked -- and disappointed. I, too, certainly wish her the best. Vandrefalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winner Posted November 6, 2013 #7 Share Posted November 6, 2013 My thoughts and best wishes are with you too, Pam. Winnie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piratelooksat45 Posted November 6, 2013 #8 Share Posted November 6, 2013 Interesting. I think she was a better fit with Seabourn than Seadream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JES4845 Posted November 6, 2013 #9 Share Posted November 6, 2013 Anyone else concerned this puts future operations in jeopardy? Not sure how to interpret line in the newspaper story about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JES4845 Posted November 6, 2013 #10 Share Posted November 6, 2013 ...about operations and decisions moving from Miami to Oslo. This implies the Miami office is downsizing or closing. Does anyone else know more? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Avery Posted November 6, 2013 #11 Share Posted November 6, 2013 ...about operations and decisions moving from Miami to Oslo. This implies the Miami office is downsizing or closing. Does anyone else know more? Want to bet it will make customer service better???:eek::D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frequent traveler Posted November 6, 2013 #12 Share Posted November 6, 2013 (edited) http://www.na24.no/article2960715.ece This may be the reason FT Sorry, I read the translated version, but here only the Norwegian version links . The owner of SD placed 3 companies in bankruptcy today in Norway if I am reading correctly. I believe one is the corporate parent of SD- to whom he transferred ownership back in 2010 when he had other financial difficulties. Edited November 6, 2013 by frequent traveler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Avery Posted November 6, 2013 #13 Share Posted November 6, 2013 Ok, my Norwegian is a bit rusty. What is the gist of the article, Counselor?:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frequent traveler Posted November 6, 2013 #14 Share Posted November 6, 2013 (edited) Ok, my Norwegian is a bit rusty. What is the gist of the article, Counselor?:D http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=no&u=http://www.na24.no/article2960715.ece&prev=/search%3Fq%3Datle%2Bbrynestad%2Bnovember%2B2013%26client%3Dsafari%26hl%3Den%26biw%3D768%26bih%3D928. Maybe this will work And CG holdings USED to be the parent of SD. According to old press articles it was transferred to another company, not one of the 3 now in BK. Fascinating stuff. FT Edited November 6, 2013 by frequent traveler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatnot Posted November 7, 2013 #15 Share Posted November 7, 2013 WOW! This puts a whole new perspective on Pam's recent resignation. I agree with CDreamer. I really like her and thought she was a class act also! Will be interesting to see what the future holds for Sea Dream! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDreamer Posted November 7, 2013 #16 Share Posted November 7, 2013 http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=no&u=http://www.na24.no/article2960715.ece&prev=/search%3Fq%3Datle%2Bbrynestad%2Bnovember%2B2013%26client%3Dsafari%26hl%3Den%26biw%3D768%26bih%3D928. Maybe this will work And CG holdings USED to be the parent of SD. According to old press articles it was transferred to another company, not one of the 3 now in BK. Fascinating stuff. FT Thanks for posting this translated link, FT - I tried using Babylon but it was almost as difficult to interpret as the original article and unfortunately my Norwegian is a bit rusty (as in, non-existent)! :eek: ::rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gcmv Posted November 7, 2013 #17 Share Posted November 7, 2013 Sorry, but neither my English, nor my Norwegian language skills help me to understand the details, even the German translation didn't help. Don't you think that this financial problem will impact on SD dramatically? :eek: Perhaps my booked Seadream cruise in September 2014 will always stay in my mind as a dream and will not come off ... :confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andreas_seadream Posted November 7, 2013 #18 Share Posted November 7, 2013 Hi, I just wanted to post a quick message here saying that the article mentioned in this thread is several years old. When you look at the article you get today's date instead of the date the article was written. The matter discussed in the article was resolved years ago with a positive outcome. (I have not forgotten about my promise to respond about the "kids" topics, but I have been busier than expected lately.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piratelooksat45 Posted November 7, 2013 #19 Share Posted November 7, 2013 Thanks Andreas for calming us all down! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vandrefalk Posted November 7, 2013 #20 Share Posted November 7, 2013 Thanks, Andreas! I was thinking this sounded awfully familiar! I remember when it happened -- and that it was solved. We got to tour the glasswerks on our Norway cruise and it was delightful! Just can't trust cyberspace sometimes!!! Vandrefalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frequent traveler Posted November 7, 2013 #21 Share Posted November 7, 2013 (edited) Yes, very sorry to have posted a bad link. The same article now has today's date. Apparently, the glass factory is struggling a bit. http://www.na24.no/article3684144.ece But porcelain business is doing well http://www.ta.no/nyheter/article6838782.ece Assuming these dates are accurate :) FT http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=no&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ta.no%2Fnyheter%2Farticle6838782.ece http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=no&u=http://www.na24.no/article3684144.ece&prev=/search%3Fq%3Datle%2Bbrynestad%26client%3Dsafari%26hl%3Den Edited November 8, 2013 by frequent traveler Trying to get English versions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goRRRdon Posted November 8, 2013 #22 Share Posted November 8, 2013 Conover gone: the ONLY person who actively sought opinion and genuinely listened to us. She was the real deal. I am certain she would have suggested changes that would have gone some way of addressing passengers concerns. Now it's back with Artle and his beaten down, old retainer "yes men" ! God help us all (crew alike with some of the appalling choice of charters the crew have had to endure) ! When certain crew call it a day: then we will too, meanwhile I'll do no bookings from late Spring to early Autumn. And to the appeasers and the "let's keep it chummy" contributors: I make no apologies. This is serious guys. An extremely talented and professional in the industry who is respected and is of long standing, is no longer there to stick up for us and even enhance our experience. Larry, now Pamela. Artle just doesn't listen to views contrary to his own; and the more I get to know him, the weirder it all is. Hey, and Andreas, dont bother getting back to us, we know you have more important things to do AND now with Pam Conover gone there are going to be no changes: we kind of new that deep down really. Some people really fell for your line (commodoredave); what must they be feeling now ? You have been busy ! Well so has the Forum; not far off 10,000 views. Now that's really busy Andreas and it spells out we are really annoyed now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Host Dan Posted November 8, 2013 #23 Share Posted November 8, 2013 Conover gone: the ONLY person who actively sought opinion and genuinely listened to us. She was the real deal.I am certain she would have suggested changes that would have gone some way of addressing passengers concerns. Now it's back with Artle and his beaten down, old retainer "yes men" ! God help us all (crew alike with some of the appalling choice of charters the crew have had to endure) ! When certain crew call it a day: then we will too, meanwhile I'll do no bookings from late Spring to early Autumn. And to the appeasers and the "let's keep it chummy" contributors: I make no apologies. This is serious guys. An extremely talented and professional in the industry who is respected and is of long standing, is no longer there to stick up for us and even enhance our experience. Larry, now Pamela. Artle just doesn't listen to views contrary to his own; and the more I get to know him, the weirder it all is. Hey, and Andreas, dont bother getting back to us, we know you have more important things to do AND now with Pam Conover gone there are going to be no changes: we kind of new that deep down really. Some people really fell for your line (commodoredave); what must they be feeling now ? You have been busy ! Well so has the Forum; not far off 10,000 views. Now that's really busy Andreas and it spells out we are really annoyed now. ho-hum.... ;) Host Dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andreas_seadream Posted November 8, 2013 #24 Share Posted November 8, 2013 Assuming these dates are accurate :) Those dates much better :) But please read the entire article you posted about Hadeland (towards the end) and you will see that both companies are doing fine financially and are profitable. Google Translate does makes a slight mistake by translating 89 million Norwegian Kroner into 89 million dollars (at least on my computer). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vandrefalk Posted November 9, 2013 #25 Share Posted November 9, 2013 GoRRRdon, I think you are over-reacting. You have no idea why Ms. Conover resigned -- nor does Larry have anything to do with this. He left years ago. And do you really know Artle???? It is not true that the staff does not listen and does not care what is written here and that they do not take our concerns seriously. But it is a business and there are sometimes competing issues. We can all hope that they are ultimately resolved satisfactorily. And crew leaves for lots of reasons and I happen to know that the owner does a lot for crew -- including internal promotions and external schooling and progression. I'm only posting this once, unlike your posting on every available thread. I really think you need to lighten up. Vandrefalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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