Ships in Southampton Sunday

[Ray66]

I believe the Aurora and Adonia are due in Southampton Sunday. I don't know whether their arrival will be affected by the cargo ship that has run aground in the Solent and is listing.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-30670746

 

A rescue operation is under way after a car transporter ship ran aground in the Solent, off the Isle of Wight.

 

The Hoegh Osaka was heading to Germany when it ran on to the Bramble Bank, in the entrance to Southampton Water, at about 21:30 GMT, the RNLI said.

[MattyBarlow]

Luckily she is perched on Bramble bank so out of the main navigation channel. Be interesting to see if she can be refloated. A 45 degree list normally gets worse not better!

 

I think the QE2 was the last large vessel to get grounded there?

 

Not been a great end of 2014/ start of 2015 for shipping!

 

 

 

 

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Edited January 4, 2015 by MattyBarlow

[tom_uk]

Just been reading the story and listening to the audio. It's obvious that the BBC reporter doesn't have a clue.....

 

One question I'm wondering about - was there a pilot on board?

[MattyBarlow]

Yes there would most definitely have been a pilot onboard. We use Hoegh to transport our vehicles around the world and none of there captains have pilot exempt status for Southampton. You'd like to think it was mechanical rather than a nav error. Now I've just got to find out if any of our cars are onboard!!!!!

 

 

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According to Vessel finder Adonia is docked in Southampton

 

http://www.vesselfinder.com/?mmsi=310530000

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Also Aurora

 

http://www.vesselfinder.com/?mmsi=310556000

 

Glad the crew were rescued from the car transporter. Not so ucky for the one that foundered off the Scottish coast.

[tom_uk]

Yes there would most definitely have been a pilot onboard. We use Hoegh to transport our vehicles around the world and none of there captains have pilot exempt status for Southampton. You'd like to think it was mechanical rather than a nav error. Now I've just got to find out if any of our cars are onboard!!!!!

 

 

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Her track across the Solent is interesting (according to AIS). She makes the turn to starboard correctly, then a while later does a 180 to port. Here's an image.

 

[MattyBarlow]

Looks like mechanical failure. Possible the rudder was unresponsive. There were two pilots onboard so I would be very surprised if this was a pilot error, not that the pilot has overall command of a vessel anyway (except the Panama Canal).

 

 

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[sotong]

Local news reporting that the roads around Calshot are chaos with people going to look (this is the closest land to Bramble Bank).

Its also the top story on local radio news and they work out how to refloat it.

I was also looking at AIS maps to see what else had managed to sail around the obstruction there are some large cargo ships moored in the Solent, not sure if they are being prevented from accessing Southampton harbour.

 

Gillian

[gadabout60]

Just off Adonia today and we didn't see anything nor did it hold us up. Glad the crew were ok.

 

Usual shambles in disembarking though - getting off Adonia seems to take longer and longer each time. One man collapsed in the queue. Ocean Cruise terminal always seems to take ages. Can't understand why it takes twice as long to get off a ship with 650 passengers than a ship with close to 3,000

[Selbourne]

Her track across the Solent is interesting (according to AIS). She makes the turn to starboard correctly, then a while later does a 180 to port. Here's an image.

 

 

Thanks for this Tom. I am watching this on TV and had previously been unable to fathom why the ship was heading out of Southampton Water yet is facing the opposite way. You have answered that, albeit we don't know the reason why it turned 180 degrees. Sky News is usually pretty good but they have thus far missed this vital piece of information.

[tilly27]

We went to Lepe this morning,which was slightly busier than normal. A sorry sight to see.

Tilly27

[tom_uk]

There's a 'Latest' banner on the BBC News website saying "Deliberate decision was made to run cargo ship aground in Solent after she started listing". That certainly fits with the AIS track. No word on the initial cause of the list, though with any cargo ship the possibility of cargo movement has to be near the top of the list. Could a number of cars have shifted? Are they free-standing when on those things, or are they shackled?

[Thejuggler]

Every vehicle (the ship could have dozens of JCBs, wagons and other specialist vehicles on boardas well as cars) is very well shackled down with chains. As we have seen if the load moves you have a serious problem.

Edited January 4, 2015 by Thejuggler

[tilly27]

The decision to ground her deliberately was taken by the captain and pilot.

A report of the press conference is here: http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/11701185.Stricken_ship_grounded_deliberately/

 

tilly27

[Ray66]

There's a 'Latest' banner on the BBC News website saying "Deliberate decision was made to run cargo ship aground in Solent after she started listing". That certainly fits with the AIS track. No word on the initial cause of the list, though with any cargo ship the possibility of cargo movement has to be near the top of the list. Could a number of cars have shifted? Are they free-standing when on those things, or are they shackled?

 

 

The owners gave a news conference on BBC News 24 a short time ago. Like you say the ship was listing after it left Southampton so they deliberately ran it aground on the sandbank. No speculation yet as to why it was listing. Apparently it was only one third full of vehicles.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-30673439

 

Hoegh Osaka cargo ship 'grounded deliberately' in Solent

Edited January 4, 2015 by Ray66

[MattyBarlow]

They are shackled. They also carry large machines such as bullldozers and rock crushers.

 

 

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[Selbourne]

Every vehicle (the ship could have dozens of JCBs, wagons and other specialist vehicles on boardas well as cars) is very well shackled down with chains. As we have seen if the load moves you have a serious problem.

 

I'm not convinced that every vehicle is shackled. I saw a programme on TV about these car transporters and they are just like multi-storey car parks. I didn't see any cars being shackled then. If 1,400 cars is one-third full, how practical is it to shackle 4,200 vehicles given the tight turnaround times? I don't know for certain though and it doesn't explain why, if they are not shackled, why it happened this time and not before.

 

Knowing that stretch of water extremely well, the problem occurred after a sharp turn to starboard. It seems as though the load shifted to Port at this point and the Pilot and Captain knew that the ship was rolling so turned 180 degrees to beach the ship against the side of the sand bank (they couldn't have got the Port side against the bank as they would have overshot by the time they reached it and in doing so would have risked sinking in the main shipping canal), which explains why it's facing back towards Southampton.

 

All very strange as dozens of massive ships perform that manoeuvre daily without incident.

[MattyBarlow]

All cars are shackled. The cars are shackled from the front and rear towing eyes by three shackles each end. If you want to have a look at a similar incident, Google the Cougar Ace vessel.

 

 

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[Thejuggler]

I'm not convinced that every vehicle is shackled. I saw a programme on TV about these car transporters and they are just like multi-storey car parks. I didn't see any cars being shackled then. If 1,400 cars is one-third full, how practical is it to shackle 4,200 vehicles given the tight turnaround times? I don't know for certain though and it doesn't explain why, if they are not shackled, why it happened this time and not before.

 

Knowing that stretch of water extremely well, the problem occurred after a sharp turn to starboard. It seems as though the load shifted to Port at this point and the Pilot and Captain knew that the ship was rolling so turned 180 degrees to beach the ship against the side of the sand bank (they couldn't have got the Port side against the bank as they would have overshot by the time they reached it and in doing so would have risked sinking in the main shipping canal), which explains why it's facing back towards Southampton.

 

All very strange as dozens of massive ships perform that manoeuvre daily without incident.

 

I've also seen a programme and every vehicle is shackled. Turn round time is related to the number of vehicles being loaded.

 

I suspect an issue with the ballast system causing water to be taken in board or lost from one side of the ship. As the ship was only one third full ballast would probably have been added.

Edited January 5, 2015 by Thejuggler

[MattyBarlow]

The inside rumour is that it is indeed ballast related but a human error rather than a malfunction. I'm just glad we only had one car on it!!

 

 

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