Royal Caribbean Fights Back!

[stanford's girl]

Didnt want to contaminate the crime scene

But she didn't know it was a crime scene yet.......or did she???;)

[1corona4u]

Posted pix on the previous page...

[kenf333]

But she didn't know it was a crime scene yet.......or did she???;)

 

I dont think so, but thought I would add that, lol

[1corona4u]

"I LOVE it!! It's my pet. :) "

 

My kind of pet. It finds its own food and walks itself and cleans up behind itself. Perfect.

 

Add to that, it goes back to the charger, on it's own, when it's done.:)

[kenf333]

Ok, here are the llinks to the blood pix. I had to capture them from the TV.:rolleyes: But you can see that there is detail in them...and they were better in the live video. Greta's interview has the best rez of every video I have seen, so you can go there and see them too. Look for the interview with Capt. Wright.

 

http://1corona4u.smugmug.com/photos/53376698-L.jpg

 

http://1corona4u.smugmug.com/photos/53376694-L.jpg

 

Like I said, inkblot test........

 

The ones on tv the other night seemed better, or different.

[1corona4u]

The ones on tv the other night seemed better, or different.

 

What show?

[stanford's girl]

I think this whole situation really makes me realize how I take for granted all of the people I've met on past cruises. We worry about our kids getting kidnapped on the way home from school or playing in a playground, but when we go on a cruise, we feel a certain kinship to everyone onboard, not thinking that any one of the many people could be one of those dangers we worry about in the schoolyards & playgrounds.

So true Kim. You would hope that everyone on the ship is like yourself but that is not the case.

[1corona4u]

Glad you like it and thanks for the advice.:) I've been thinking about it because I don't really like vacuming.

 

I'd really like a maid but I don't think that's about to happpen!! LOL

 

Man, I'm going to bed. I spelled vacuum with 2 c's, and an e, in all of those post..........LOL........brain must be fried...:D

[The Big Booper]

I saw a writeup on this gadget somewhere. The gist was that this wasn't that good a product because

 

a) It is messy to clean it after use, with all the crud picked up, still in the tank

b) It comes with an invisible wall to block off carpeted areas, but the wall was not precise leading to soaked rug edges.

c) It was too tall to get under furniture.

 

That is all I remember.

 

We are planning on getting a Rhoomba when we move to our villa in Florida which has all tiled floors except for the 2 bedrooms.

 

I will add Greta's Monday show to my DVR collection on this case. Some call this obsessed. I call it a ripping good yarn.

[1corona4u]

I saw a writeup on this gadget somewhere. The gist was that this wasn't that good a product because

 

a) It is messy to clean it after use, with all the crud picked up, still in the tank

b) It comes with an invisible wall to block off carpeted areas, but the wall was not precise leading to soaked rug edges.

c) It was too tall to get under furniture.

 

That is all I remember.

 

We are planning on getting a Rhoomba when we move to our villa in Florida which has all tiled floors except for the 2 bedrooms.

 

I will add Greta's Monday show to my DVR collection on this case. Some call this obsessed. I call it a ripping good yarn.

 

Yeah, I'm skeptical about the Scooba too.:) But you'll love the Roomba, and it's a cinch to clean out. I clean it after every use though, and clean out the brush about every 2 weeks.

[kenf333]

What show?

 

The one on cnn i think, with the Smiths

[Boatdrill]

when George disappeared, they had left Greece & if 4AM is the timeline that would put them in Turkish waters.

 

Ship's navigation officers determined the Brilliance of the Seas was in Greek waters when the incident occurred. That's why the Greek Coast Guard was notified, and it was they who performed the search at sea.

[mechcc]

After all the media and the discussions of the posts my feelings are the same in that it was a terrible accident; it was murder by one of the Russians, Josh or the casino manager with the motive being Jennifer's attention or money; or it was an accidental murder by the widow who during an argument pushed hubby while he was sitting on the balcony rail or the worse option where she delibertily killed him. Hopefully it was the accidental death that RCL is spouting.

[Fury1995]

Ok, here are the llinks to the blood pix. I had to capture them from the TV.:rolleyes: But you can see that there is detail in them...and they were better in the live video. Greta's interview has the best rez of every video I have seen, so you can go there and see them too. Look for the interview with Capt. Wright.

 

http://1corona4u.smugmug.com/photos/53376698-L.jpg

 

http://1corona4u.smugmug.com/photos/53376694-L.jpg

 

Like I said, inkblot test........

 

Just a question.

 

I can't help thinking that the first (instinctual) reaction someone usually has after being injured (whether drunk, sober, or disoriented) is to put your hands to the area of injury (think about it for a moment) whether it's to check to see if there is blood coming from the area of pain or if it's beacause something feels wet/sticky.

 

Then wouldn't there be some evidence in the photo's of a handprint or fingerprints away from the center of the "smear" indicating an attempt by GS to right himself (sit up or stand up)? Imagine yourself trying to "get up" at this point and how you would place your hands, turn your body etc....

 

This would only apply if he ever was concious at any point on the canopy.

 

Based on what I can see in the photos, it appears to me that's unlikely. However, there is too much blood for GS not have been there for "some" amount of time (bleeding to the point that some blood soaked through his clothes) and someone/something made him "slide off" the canopy while there was no concious movement by GS.

 

By the way, whatever caused him to bleed that much - that quickly, may be more than just a blunt object. I seem to remember reading somewhere the boards that there was at some point earlier in the night room service delivered? Maybe a sharp object (leftover utensil?) was used instead and tossed?

 

Okay, pick away. LOL.

[FinelyCruising]

carona thanks for the pics...I spent a lot of time hunting them yesterday and couldn't find a one with the blood!

 

I think it was mentioned these canopies are 18 feet wide.

 

If I am tumbling over the side, I think I land on the closest portion to the inside of the ship. This blood pattern is the most outside third of the canopy, as though tumbling would not have been possible.

 

The other thing in my untrained mind is that I guess the most concentrated area is the head area. The bleeding coming from the back of the head or being face down from the face. If not, then I would say the lower leg area, which then may mean the leg bone was completely through the skin and causing the bleeding.

 

I don't have the forensic knowledge to work out the detail for these two scenarios, but I keep at it!

[SunshineCity]

Corona

 

I repeat, you really have to get a life. I have watched the TV shows too, but you write as if this is taking over your life. I pity you.

[teddybl]

I called my nephew after the Jen interview on Oprah. Both seemed to be very intoxicated.He told me that Jen left the bar to party with others and left George behind. They had a violent argument that everyone in the bar could hear. He was escorted back to his room and then Jen came back later to the bar looking for George, still with her new party group.I surmise that if she was involved with the dissappearance, she is one great actress. Our cabin steward told us about the murder after we got back friom the tour of Ephesus. He said there was blood all over the room .Teddy

[Fury1995]

What ever happened to BarbaraM? She was the CC-er that was in the cabin directly below (2 decks down) the Smith's on this cruise? I believe she was on deck 7 according to her earlier posts in July.

[1corona4u]

I see our interloper is back.:rolleyes:

 

FC, Catpain Wright said the canopy was 12' ft wide. I do think Henry Lee will have some good insight into this, but how much of that he can/will disclose to the public is another thing. I wonder if the FBI is ok with his examination of the evidence, and disclosure of what he finds, if he makes a public statement? I don't think he will disclose much....too bad.

 

Fury, if someone helped him off of the canopy, I think they were really taking a chance. If that thud was as loud as has been reported, I'd think they wouldn't have risked being seen out there. They had no idea of whether or not other passengers heard him hit....wouldn't there be foot prints from their shoes?

 

 

In general;

 

Room service was delivered to another cabin, not the Smiths.

 

I don't know what I think about the blood evidence. It's really hard to tell. Specifically about the size of it all. I do remember that there was commentary a long time ago, that even with this amount of blood, it would not have been a fatal wound.

 

 

Just one other comment that I saw yesterday, someone said that the ship could have let a murderer off in Turkey. According to RCI, all pasengers were back on the ship upon leaving, other than Jennifer.

 

I have to go find my life, as I must have misplaced it...:D :rolleyes:

[SunshineCity]

You got that right!

[Barky]

http://rjames.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=10

 

Check out the first thread; especially by Valerian.

[FinelyCruising]

OK still working out soem of the details....If the canopy os inly 12 feet wide that might fit.

 

Let's assume a tumble over the railing backward as Geroge was sitting on the railing facing into the cabin. He slips and he falls backward. He falls then landing on his back? His feet are toward the inside of the ship, his head is in the area of the blood concentration, his arms are up over his head as the photo suggests that is possible from the pattern. The canopy tilts down toward the sea, and it is this toward the sea portion of the canopy that has all this blood.

 

But that scenario only leaves his body in one place. If he were to sit up, he'd have seen the ship, not the sea, and would not have likely rolled off.

 

Let's say, still falling backward the same way, he ends up in a summersault, lands on the top of his head or has flipped 180 and lands on his face. Now we have a head closest to the ship, but midway out on the canopy, and the feet possibly at or over the edge of the canopy on the sea side. The pattern then suggests his arms were down and out and the wide area are his shoulders showing the arms down.

 

I don't think there is enough pitch for him to slide, and I don't see a sliding pattern no matter how hard I look at it. In either of these two scenarios, why would he have not called for help? If he could have moved, it sure would have hurt.

[Kaibigan]

Just one other comment that I saw yesterday, someone said that the ship could have let a murderer off in Turkey. According to RCI, all pasengers were back on the ship upon leaving, other than Jennifer.

 

I think that was me, but I didn't mean letting the killer off the ship in Turkey. I mean the fact that the ship would end that cruise & the killer would be getting off the ship & walking away. (disembarking).

 

I remember when I was on the LOS in April 2003 when the threatening notes were found in the restroom. The girl remained on the ship till the end of the cruise and no one knew who she was till she made the mistake of writing a 3rd note making herself to be a vicitm. (That was on the last or next to last night, and then she wa put in the brig till we disembarked in Honolulu.) So she had been free to come & go that whole time, getting off at any ports that she wanted.

 

So what I was meaning is that as long as this was a murder and not an accident, the killer did indeed walk off the ship.

 

Something I had been wondering about the blood pics; it's hard to tell how big of an area this is. When enlarged, it looks like a huge amount of blood, but when you look at it zoomed out over the large area of the canopy, it doesn't look like very much at all. Either shot could be deceiving. Is it covering a 2 foot section or a 5 foot section?

[FinelyCruising]

barky...who dat? do we know them?

[Barefoot_Pirate]

Sunnyshine, now that you pitty us, would you send us a check as well. I think that is the Widow Smith's arguement.

 

I vote for Anna Nichole Smith to play the widow on the made for TV movie. But perhaps ANS is too good of a widow actress??

 

If he jumped and landed feet first (lower torso perhaps), his head would have landed several feet away from that point..so I think you have to decide which part of him struck first and figure which part was bleeding and where it would have struck relative to the point of intial contact (?). If the distance from the vertical drop from the railing is a worry, ya has to rule out his big ole body being thrown...at 200+ pounds he ain't going to far...in fact just hoisting him over would be a super effort for an average person. IMHO