Casino on Honolulu Round Trip (Fanning)

[AndyPanda]

How many nights is the casino open on the 10 or 11 night Honolulu Round Trip itinarary that stops at Fanning Island?

Thanks, Andy

[hncg57c]

I think on the Wind, they did not have a casino.

[Planer's Edge]

No, I believe the Wind does have a casino. Only the NCLA ships do not have casinos. It would be open when the ship reach a certain distance from shore between ports.

 

PE

[AndyPanda]

Does anyone have first-hand info?

[discjoker]

The casino on the Wind is not open on Hawaii sailings.

[pegwalker55]

Was on the Wind May 2005.No casino due to strict gaming laws in Hawaii-don't even have lottery.Bingo only allowed during sea days to and from Fanning.Art auctions were held in casino area,all gaming equipment had been removed.

[AndyPanda]

If it goes to Fanning Island (not U.S.), why no casino?

[foursum]

In fact, on the Hawaii/Fanning Island cruises, the casino area on the Wind is used for the art auction, some formal photos and a place to be processed through customs. There is no gaming equipment. Must be Hawaii laws.

[Host CMLA]

If it goes to Fanning Island (not U.S.), why no casino?

Because Hawaiian law doesn't allow it. It doesn't matter that the Wind goes to Fanning Island. Not only can't NCL operate a casino in Hawaiian waters, they can't have the equipment onboard either.

[AndyPanda]

Oh well, guess what cruise I'm NOT going on.

I seriously look forward to spending time at the tables on a cruise.

Looks like Princess will get my business.

Thanks for your replies.

Andy

[Planer's Edge]

Because Hawaiian law doesn't allow it. It doesn't matter that the Wind goes to Fanning Island. Not only can't NCL operate a casino in Hawaiian waters, they can't have the equipment onboard either.

 

So, my post above is incorrect? I thought only the "American Flagged" ships (Wind is NOT "American Flagged") were not allowed to have casinos on them. Others (Princess, RCI, HAL, etc.) were just not allowed to operate them within a certain distance of the islands, like every other port cruise ships enter.

 

What about other ships sailing to and from Hawaii, do they have to take to take the equipment off the ship and reinstall it when they leave?

 

PE

[Host CMLA]

So' date=' my post above is incorrect? I thought only the "American Flagged" ships (Wind is NOT "American Flagged") were not allowed to have casinos on them. Others (Princess, RCI, HAL, etc.) were just not allowed to operate them within a certain distance of the islands, like every other port cruise ships enter.

 

What about other ships sailing to and from Hawaii, do they have to take to take the equipment off the ship and reinstall it when they leave?[/quote']I don't know about other ships and other lines. When I did a repositioning cruise from Vancouver to Hawaii on the former Sky, the crew was offloading the entire casino in Honolulu. At that time she was still the Sky and a foreign flagged ship. This was 8 months before changing over to the POA. I asked the cruise director why and he said because not only can't they operate a casino in Hawaiian waters but they can't even have the equipment onboard. And ever since then, on NCL at least, there hasn't been a casino even on a ship that's sailed Hawaii. Do other cruise lines focus on Hawaii like the Wind or are they one way cruises back and forth between Mexico? Maybe that's the difference. Anyway, I can only speak to my experience and a few others here have confirmed that.

[electricron]

Do other cruise lines focus on Hawaii like the Wind or are they one way cruises back and forth between Mexico?

 

Here's the list of ships for the remainder of this year with a Honolulu call.

 

RCCL Radiance of the Seas

14 days departing San Diego on May 7, 2006

14 days departing Los Angeles on September 23, 2006

 

Tahitian Princess

12 days departing Papeete, Tahiti on May 29, July 12, August 25, 2006

12 days departing Honolulu on June 10, July 24, September 6, 2006

 

Carnival Spirit

12 days departing Vancouver on September 20, 2006

12 days departing Honolulu on October 2, 2006

 

Island Princess

15 days departing Los Angeles on September 21, October 6, October 21, November 5, November 20, December 5, December 27, 2006

 

RCCL Serenade of the Seas

11 days departing Vancouver on September 24, 2006

 

HAL Statendam

24 days departing San Francisco on October 2, 2006

 

HAL Zaandam

15 days departing San Diego on October 7, November 12, November 26, December 21, 2006

 

Celebrity Summit

14 days departing Los Angeles on October 14, October 28, December 9, December 23, 2006

 

Celebrity Infinity

14 days departing Los Angeles on October 22, 2006

 

That's a total of 28 cruises to Hawaii from other cruise lines. Meanwhile ~ Pride of Aloha has 35 more Hawaiian cruises this year ~ Pride of America has 35 more Hawaiian cruises this year ~ Pride of Hawaii has 31 more Hawaiian cruises this year ~ and the Norwegian Wind has 11 more Hawaiian cruises this year ~

[CruisinMK]

In 2000 Hawaii passed a law banning ships with casinos that start AND end in Hawaii on the same itinerary. The wind starts and ends in Hawaii, so it can't have a casino, even though it leaves Hawaiian waters, is foreign flagged, and goes to a foreign port.

 

All the other foreign flags ships visiting Hawaii can have casinos, because they start and/or end outside of Hawaii. They only operate the casino on the open sea journey outside Hawaiian waters.

[sowhynot]

So' date=' my post above is incorrect? I thought only the "American Flagged" ships (Wind is NOT "American Flagged") were not allowed to have casinos on them. Others (Princess, RCI, HAL, etc.) were just not allowed to operate them within a certain distance of the islands, like every other port cruise ships enter.

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When the Star cruised the Hawaii/Fanning Island itinerary there was NO casino on board. At that time the Star was a new ship and was planned for the Hawaii market. The casino space was there, but not functioning (or even labeled) as a casino. They knew they had other ships in the works for that market and planned to retrofit when the Star moved (which I guess has been done).

 

It's certainly not NCLs choice to not have a casino on their Hawaii ships. As other posts have said, it's the strict gaming laws in the State of Hawaii.

[electricron]

Technically, the State of Hawaii could confiscate all gaming equipment on a cruise ship in Hawaii. Really, here's the statues in question:

 

From http://www.gambling-law-us.com/State-Laws/Hawaii/

 

 

Now you know why NCL removes the gaming equipment from its ships. I supposed they could techinically get a loophole if the casino is physically kept locked up. But why chance someone breaking in?