Smoking

[trfccruiser]

Having just received my shore excursion stuff etc for July on Oceana I read with interest the following.

Smoking-smoking will be permitted in cabins(including cabin balconies),on certain areas of the open decks,in the casino on certain evenings and in designated areas of one or two public rooms.

This suggests a significant change actually as I'm pretty sure you can at present smoke in ALL public rooms.Would be nice to know the precise arrangements but previously I got the impression no change but this wording suggests that at least some public rooms will be smoke free.

[Cabinboy1943]

Hi philhar

 

With regard to the smoking policy you mention your excursion stuff for July.

I have received ours for the Oriana in June and all it mentions is single passengers in shared cabins and designated areas around the ship.

 

I realize the the tobacco gestapo are not due to start trampling over us in their jackboots until the 1st July, but with people wishing to book future cruises it would be nice to know the precise effects.

 

I am fully aware that to non smokers we sound a bit pathetic, but I always try to consider others when I do smoke, and refrain if it would cause a problem. I am in total agreement with no smoking restaurants and other food venues and where children are.

 

In the past I have spoken to people who have received complaints from non smokers who insist on sitting in a smoking area which is a bit daft.:confused:

 

I myself am completely TT and have never drunk in my life, but I can imagine the uproar if they banned alcohol.:eek: As a non drinker I have no objections to people drinking as we all try to enjoy our cruises in our own ways.:)

 

cabinboy1943

[trfccruiser]

Hi cabin Boy1943 I guess the difference is that our cruise is AFTER July 1st and it states their policy changes after that date.I don't think banning smoking in some bars but allowing it in others is that unreasonable at least that is more generous than onshore!!

[Cabinboy1943]

Hi again philhar

 

As you say, permitting smoking in some bars is not unreasonable. There are a couple of points that I wondered about. Now that some P&O ships are registered in Hamilton does British law apply? The other point is, what is the situation once the ship is outside territorial waters. I can imagine people hopping from one foot to another,waiting for a signal from the bridge that an invisible line has been crossed and one can now light up.

 

I do not think that only allowing it on open decks is a solution as they can be closed off in bad weather. It will be interesting to see what the rules are once the dust has settled.

Have a wonderful cruise in July

 

Cabinboy1943

[Cabinboy1943]

Hi again philhar

 

As you say, permitting smoking in some bars is not unreasonable. There are a couple of points that I wondered about. Now that some P&O ships are registered in Hamilton does British law apply? The other point is, what is the situation once the ship is outside territorial waters. I can imagine people hopping from one foot to another,waiting for a signal from the bridge that an invisible line has been crossed and one can now light up.

 

I do not think that only allowing it on open decks is a solution as they can be closed off in bad weather. It will be interesting to see what the rules are once the dust has settled.

Have a wonderful cruise in July

 

Cabinboy1943

[trfccruiser]

Hi Cabinboy1943 thanks for your good wishes,likewise I hope you a fantastic time on Oriana .As they are not British registered I'm sure P&O could decide not to do anything, but probably feel they have to be seen to do something, as though American owned they are very British-focussed.

I think smoking in some bars and not others is a good compromise.

[Cabinboy1943]

Hi philhar

 

Sorry my last post went on twice, got a bit carried away pushing buttons.

Thanks for your good wishes. I will see what I can find out when we are on board. If I get anything worthwhile I will post it on my return.

 

Cabinboy 1943

[The Monocled Mutineer]

When England on the 1st July, joins the other Kingdom, the Principality. the Province and the Republic, it will be that UK and Irish Citizens, of which the majority don't smoke and who do not wish to breathe in others smoke, will become used to, and will expect, public enclosed spaces to be smoke free.

 

My understanding is that only inmates in HM Prisons and actors, as an integral part of their performance on a theatre stage, film set or TV studio, will be able to smoke.

 

Smoking will still be permitted in a private enclosed space i.e. a home or hotel room and in many outdoor spaces. Also a "smoking shelter" or equivalent partially enclosed space, but with the total wall space not being greater than 50%.

 

In my view, like drinking (18 law) and sale of cigarettes laws to under 16s (18s from September), which P&O uphold, P&O must and will bow to public pressure, and respond to this great boon to public health.

 

Under the UK and Republic's laws, on a ship there will still remain the equivalent of a hotel room on board (ie the cabin) and the open decks for those who cannot/will not give up their addiction.

 

One of my part time jobs is to visit retailers, retail "offices" (eg estate agents, travel agents, etc) and licensed premises. It is noticeable how disgusting and unhealthy the atmosphere is inside the latter establishments (with the one exception, which is a one year old trendy bar, which from day one declared itself "smoke-free" and indeed operates a weekly lunch time "kick the habit" programme).

 

Previously, for over 10 years I have worked in offices where smoking has either been banned or restricted to a filthy and unhealthy room that no sensible person would ever walk into.

 

I started working in offices in the early 1970s and, rather like the offices in "Life on Mars" they were filthy, unhealthy places to spend 8 hours of your life in Monday to Friday.

 

So P&O, "England" expects ...

[daiB]

Hi Cabinboy1943 thanks for your good wishes,likewise I hope you a fantastic time on Oriana .As they are not British registered I'm sure P&O could decide not to do anything, but probably feel they have to be seen to do something, as though American owned they are very British-focused.

I think smoking in some bars and not others is a good compromise.

 

 

 

As a matter of interest, are P&O American owned? Are Carnival American owned?

 

They are all part of one company which is listed on a stock exchange in the USA.

 

 

But also on the Stock Exchange in London. Indeed they are in the FTSE at a price as of 25th May 2007 £2569.00 having gone up 23 in the day with a volume of just over 1,6 million shares traded in the day worth £400 million.

 

So should we not say that this was an AngloAmerican company.

 

 

Just A Thought

 

 

:)Happy Cruising:)

 

 

:cool:

Dai

[Shogun]

Hi Folks,

 

Just a thought if you go to a doctor and ask for some thing to kill yourself they are not allowed to give you anything, if you go to a local shop and ask the shop keeper the same question and he gives you a pack of twenty is he breaking the law.

 

yours Shogun

[Kazzy]

Shogun

 

 

 

you are so funny

[Cabinboy1943]

Hi

Am I the only one that finds it a little bit curious that smoking is banned on aircraft and drinking is not? I have never heard of a case of air rage whilst under the influence of a cigarette. The same applies to drink driving.

It strikes me as odd that while putting draconian restrictions on smokers the government extend the drinking hours.

Drink related diseases cost the NHS far more than those associated with smoking we are told. We are also informed 75% of casualties in A&E depts on Friday and Saturday nights are to do with excess drinking.

I accept that smoking can be unpleasant for the non smoker,but so can being confronted by a drunk. Smokers are in the minority, but it is quite a large minority. I do not think it is at all unreasonable to have smoking and non smoking bars on cruise ships, or on land for that matter. That way everyone would be free to bring about their early demise through either smoking or drinking.

In answer to shoguns question about shop keepers breaking the law. If he is by selling you a packet of twenty, it would also be true for selling you a six pack or a bottle of spirits

Judging by the popularity of smoking areas that we have seen on our cruises, if it were banned altogether, the cruise lines would lose a lot of custom,as they would if they banned drinking.

 

cabinboy1943

[Shogun]

Hi Folks,

 

While I for one would rather meet a gang of smokers coming down a dark street on a Saturday night rather than a gang of drunks,

 

 

I do have except that since the smoking ban in Scotland the health of the bar staff is at an all time high. So for this reason smoking in bars should be banned. OK you could get smokers to work in smoking bars but I think health and safety folk would have a lot to say about that.

 

As for drink have never seen smokers being rushed to the ships hospital, but I have see young Americans being carried away on strechters.

 

yours Shogun

[pretenda]

Just recently off the Emerald Princess. They had introduced a couple of smoke-free evenings in the Casino - till 12 midnight. There was a brisker trade we thought. Most lit up at midnight though! So there might be some intiaitives like this introduced throughout PandO.

Just thought I'd add that I'm a neutral on this subject!:)

[mufi]

As a matter of interest, are P&O American owned? Are Carnival American owned?

 

They are all part of one company which is listed on a stock exchange in the USA.

 

 

But also on the Stock Exchange in London. Indeed they are in the FTSE at a price as of 25th May 2007 £2569.00 having gone up 23 in the day with a volume of just over 1,6 million shares traded in the day worth £400 million.

 

So should we not say that this was an AngloAmerican company.

 

 

Just A Thought

 

:)Happy Cruising:)

 

 

:cool:

Dai

 

 

No, Carnival is an American company, but as with all the big corperations it is listed in London and all the other world markets as well.

 

Now that the smoking regs. are in force I think things will change quite quickly re smoking on cruise ships. At the moment the law does not impact on ships in any way, even when they are tied up in UK ports, but smokers may find that the places to smoke will be gradually reduced and who knows, smoking may be banned alltogether. All depends on what will be percieved the best for PROFITS. This is an American company!!!

 

I am so glad to be back with P&O after a gap of 5 years. Just booked a Carabean for September on Oriana.

 

David.

[Cabinboy1943]

Hi all

We were on the Oriana in June to the Fjords. With the deals P&O were offering if one booked prior to the end of August we decided to book for next year whilst on board. I am told this is a recommended practice to offset the depression of disembarkation back in Southampton at the end of a cruise.

 

We booked Aurora for Venice and I asked about the smoking ban at the future cruise desk. I was told that there will be little change, maybe a couple of bars where it will be banned completely and of course in all the usual venues where it is already.

 

I have no problem with this as I think a bit of give and take on both sides is called for. Not, as I put in another post, The elderly gentleman? who insisted on sitting in a smoking area and called a steward over and demanded that he stopped people smoking.

 

I would rate smokers who light up ad lib with no concern for others around them on about the same level as those who get drunk,and either throw up or make a complete nuisance of themselves.

 

Finally, having observed the popularity of smoking areas,I would suggest that the cruise lines would lose a lot of business were they to introduce a complete ban.

 

cabinboy1943

[mufi]

But soon they will have to ban all smoking indoors when they are in UK waters and heading in or out of a UK port.

 

David.

[daiB]

No, Carnival is an American company, but as with all the big corperations it is listed in London and all the other world markets as well.

 

Now that the smoking regs. are in force I think things will change quite quickly re smoking on cruise ships. At the moment the law does not impact on ships in any way, even when they are tied up in UK ports, but smokers may find that the places to smoke will be gradually reduced and who knows, smoking may be banned alltogether. All depends on what will be percieved the best for PROFITS. This is an American company!!!

 

I am so glad to be back with P&O after a gap of 5 years. Just booked a Carabean for September on Oriana.

 

David.

 

Sorry but Carnival is listed only in London and New York and has its AGM one year here and one year over there. It is and Anglo-American company.

 

 

 

:):)Happy Cruising:):)

 

 

 

 

:cool:

 

 

Dai