Ncl Is Going Smoke Free!

[RichNY]

The place that really needs a smoking ban is the casino, butttt I really don't see that happening....:mad: ...that where the $$$ come into play.

 

I have probably saved some money because I left because of the smoke..:D so I guess I should be happy.....NOT

[meagent]

It may have been proven in Ohio but it isn't in Texas where I live. The restaurants and bars here are screaming for a statewide ban becasue smokers just go to the next town where they can smoke. The businesses in towns where it is banned are slowing going out of business and those that are hanging on are the ones screaming for the statewide ban.

 

It's unfortunate that they are calling for more government intervention when government intervention is what caused their problem in the first place. The slippery slope lives.

[heelfan94]

Notify people in advance of putting such policies into place! NCL management seems pretty inept when it comes to notifying paying passengers of changes they are making. If they are trying to satisfy all parties why not make a few bars smoking and few non-smoking? Why say all bars are non-smoking? Some of the workers on the ship are smokers (I have seen some in port) and I bet they would be willing to work in the bars that were smoking.

I have some sympathy in this situation because my husband smokes, but can you honestly say that this NCL change surprises you? He's so used to being told when and where he can smoke that it hardly bothers him now. I'm only surprised this policy change took so long to come about.

[Given2Fly]

Well yeah, not far from now smokers will be treaten like criminals (if they are not now),

Non smokers here are complaining about smokers smoking outside (on their balcony!) give them a break!

 

You can't see how this would be an issue? Do you have no idea what happens with smoke when wind hits it? Last I checked, person A is on their balcony killing them self (their decision, fine).. but what about the next 10 cabins and their balconies with the wind blowing it backwards due to the ship moving foward? Last I heard something like 23% of people over the age of 18 smoke. What are the odds the next 10 balconies full of people all smoke ? (The balconies are so small the smoke can easily travel that far).. I'm not saying people shouldn't be able to smoke on their balconies, but I think the best solution for all involved is to have smoking levels, it isn't a perfect solution but a lot better than 1 in every 4 cabins having somebody annoying the next 3 cabins all the way down the ship.

[cruisebum50]

I have some sympathy in this situation because my husband smokes, but can you honestly say that this NCL change surprises you? He's so used to being told when and where he can smoke that it hardly bothers him now. I'm only surprised this policy change took so long to come about.

 

No the change doesn't surprise us at all. It is NCL's inept management that doesn't think this is something they should tell the paying public that surprises us. As my hubby says, if they don't want him smoking he will go where he can, and if that means another cruise line, then that is where he will go. And from some of the other posts on here others will do the same. That may be what NCL is hoping for and is their right, as long as people are informed of if.

[Liquid Shiva]

You can't see how this would be an issue? Do you have no idea what happens with smoke when wind hits it? Last I checked, person A is on their balcony killing them self (their decision, fine).. but what about the next 10 cabins and their balconies with the wind blowing it backwards due to the ship moving foward? Last I heard something like 23% of people over the age of 18 smoke. What are the odds the next 10 balconies full of people all smoke ? (The balconies are so small the smoke can easily travel that far).. I'm not saying people shouldn't be able to smoke on their balconies, but I think the best solution for all involved is to have smoking levels, it isn't a perfect solution but a lot better than 1 in every 4 cabins having somebody annoying the next 3 cabins all the way down the ship.

 

I'm sorry, I live in a country where people are allowed to smoke joints in the streets, we are used to heavy clouds of foggy smoke :cool:

No kidding, smoke and non smoke levels on the ships would be better, you are right at that point,

I just had to react, sometimes I think the war on siggies is going too far, this said as a non smoker :rolleyes:

[heelfan94]

No the change doesn't surprise us at all. It is NCL's inept management that doesn't think this is something they should tell the paying public that surprises us. As my hubby says, if they don't want him smoking he will go where he can, and if that means another cruise line, then that is where he will go. And from some of the other posts on here others will do the same. That may be what NCL is hoping for and is their right, as long as people are informed of if.

I understand, and I don't want you to think I'm being difficult over this. I'd be lying if I said I was unhappy about the change. I think my husband will adapt. He does everywhere we go. I can see where you're upset over the handling of this. :)

[bbiggar]

I got a little too excited and thought maybe one or two ships were going completely smoke free. I sailed on the Carnival Paradise twice when it was smoke free and it was heavenly. I wish some cruise line would have one ship smoke free again. Maybe just even have a few sailings a year.:rolleyes:

[Given2Fly]

I'm sorry, I live in a country where people are allowed to smoke joints in the streets, we are used to heavy clouds of foggy smoke :cool:

No kidding, smoke and non smoke levels on the ships would be better, you are right at that point,

I just had to react, sometimes I think the war on siggies is going too far, this said as a non smoker :rolleyes:

 

Yeah, I believe in people having certain rights and stuff, and I have no problem w/ people smoking in general, but the issue comes when you think about the rights of the much larger majority who does not smoke. You have people like my wife who are pregnant, and thus can't be around places where there is much cigarette smoke. You have people with health conditions like asthma who it really hurts their quality of life to be in those situations, and the list goes on and on.. Personally I care about the rights of those type of people a little more than somebody who intentionally is working pretty hard at lowering their life expectancy (which just to make things worse, I get to pay higher insurance premiums partially because of.).

[ILVMM]

I can see it on the American flagged ships, as they also don't have a casino, but I am sailing on a ship flying a foreign flag? I wonder if you cant smoke in those countries bars?

 

I dont sail Disney becuase of the tough smoking rules, now I just might have to re-think NCL too. I'm booked on a B2B in 2.5 weeks, nothing I can do about it now but just smoke on my balcony.

 

Also, Didn't Carnival try this already? The Paradise ( I know it was totally NON Smoking) But, Didn't it loose money? :rolleyes:

 

it's my understanding that they couldn't find a non-smoking crew to continue working on the non-smoking ship!

[Liquid Shiva]

than somebody who intentionally is working pretty hard at lowering their life expectancy (which just to make things worse, I get to pay higher insurance premiums partially because of.).

 

Count overweight in esp. in the States!

And also alcohol for that matter,

Smoking affects other people, but is are more things in life lowering your life expectancy :cool:

[Given2Fly]

Count overweight in esp. in the States!

And also alcohol for that matter,

Smoking affects other people, but is are more things in life lowering your life expectancy :cool:

 

Right, but insurance isn't the real issue here, health of others is.. it was just a random grumbling side note :)

[Planer's Edge]

Second hand smoke is as provable as Global Warming. Just another Liberal scare tactic so they can govern you to death.

 

PE

[cruise182]

Fuel to the fire....

Rights......

How about banning trans fats?? Who does that hurt other then the person consuming the product? I agree, I am tired of "government" telling me what I can and can not do. We have to draw a line somewhere.

 

To add....I WISH ALL LINES WOULD DO WHAT NCL IS DOING!!

Just because I like what they are doing does not say that I want the DC crowd telling me what I can and can not do.1

[seahorse]

Getting back on topic;)

 

This is a decision made by NCL. I do not believe that they were "forced" to do it (government). It does not matter when they told us because people will grumble anyway.

 

If NCL loses money due to this decision they will change their decision.....that is their RIGHT to do so. NCL used to have port side as non-smoking cabins and this became a logistical nightmare with bookings. You could not determine from sailing to sailing how many smokers there would be. For now you are allowed to smoke in ALL cabins and the non-smokers have the right to have the cabin deep cleaned.

 

Carnival Paradise did not "make it" because it was impossible to book groups on the ship. End of story on that speculation:D Money talks as it should.

 

I would prefer a non-smoking ship but I do not believe any government has the right to tell any business what clientèle they can sell to.

[Given2Fly]

Second hand smoke is as provable as Global Warming. Just another Liberal scare tactic so they can govern you to death.

 

PE

 

This guy watches Fox"News" and still believes Iraq was behind 9-11 and had WMD's aimed at us with somebodies finger touching the giant red button on Jesus W. Bush did something about it...

[shadowmadre]

Beginning July 15, 2007

 

If the stateroom was previously occupied with heavy smokers, drapes, pillows and other upholstery will be dry cleaned and the walls wiped down and carpets will be steam cleaned as necessary.

 

Cigar and pipe smoking in staterooms and on balconies will be prohibited.

 

Indoor Spaces

Staterooms

 

Cigarette smoking in staterooms and on balconies will be permitted.

 

Non-smoking guests concerned about sailing in a stateroom that may have been previously occupied by a smoking guest should be advised of the following:

 

Staterooms with smokers will be deep-cleaned after disembarkation.

 

Ionizers and carpet freshener will be used to rid the stateroom of the smell of smoke

 

Bedspreads will be dry cleaned and replaced.

All interior venues, with the exception of the enclosed cigar bars and the casino, will be non-smoking. Smoking will be prohibited in all restaurants, bars, theatres, meeting rooms, restrooms, corridors, stairwells and lobbies.

 

Cigarette smoking in the casino will be permitted.

 

Cigarette, cigar and pipe smoking will be permitted in enclosed cigar bars.

 

Outdoor Spaces

 

Cigarette, cigar and pipe smoking will be permitted in outdoor public guest spaces and open decks, where designated by ship’s management, based on the ship’s specific characteristics. No smoking will be permitted in or near venues serving food, the jogging track, outdoor sporting venues and children’s pool areas.

 

Ship’s management may also prohibit outdoor smoking at certain times such as during safety drills, tendering operations or while refueling.

 

I hope they do this cleaning on the POA when my family goes in August. From what I read in previous comments their cabins don't get a deep cleaning before embarkation. Cabins have dirty linens, leftover trash, mildewy bathrooms, etc. Hopefully this will change.

[MrLee]

Notify people in advance of putting such policies into place! NCL management seems pretty inept when it comes to notifying paying passengers of changes they are making. If they are trying to satisfy all parties why not make a few bars smoking and few non-smoking? Why say all bars are non-smoking? Some of the workers on the ship are smokers (I have seen some in port) and I bet they would be willing to work in the bars that were smoking.

 

I'm afraid that won't fly. It just makes too much sense! :rolleyes:

[cruisebum50]

I'm afraid that won't fly. It just makes too much sense! :rolleyes:

 

I used to work in a place like NCL. If it made sense they didn't do it. Well I am off this thread. Some posters just want to call names and act like juveniles instead of stating their position in an adult manner.

[cruisePRN]

sounds like it's a smoker friendly ship. I think NCL needs to rethink this overly liberal smoking policy. if there's even a whiff of smoke in my cabin I'll be demanding they come disinfect the room and change every piece of furniture and the beds as well.

[Planer's Edge]

This guy watches Fox"News" and still believes Iraq was behind 9-11 and had WMD's aimed at us with somebodies finger touching the giant red button on Jesus W. Bush did something about it...

 

Yes, I watch Fox News...and CNN and NBC and CBS and ABC... I get a wide variety of information before jumping to "illogical" conclusions.

 

No one has ever said Iraq was behind 9/11. Yes, Iraq had WMD as evidenced that Saddam used them against his own citizens.

 

What flavor do you prefer your Kool-Aid to be?

 

PE

[newmexicoNita]

Second hand smoke is as provable as Global Warming. Just another Liberal scare tactic so they can govern you to death.

 

PE

boy do we agree on this, but I guess there are other places for us to discuss those issues.

 

Nita

[seahorse]

I used to work in a place like NCL. If it made sense they didn't do it. Well I am off this thread. Some posters just want to call names and act like juveniles instead of stating their position in an adult manner.

Only a few.....only a few:mad:

[newmexicoNita]

This guy watches Fox"News" and still believes Iraq was behind 9-11 and had WMD's aimed at us with somebodies finger touching the giant red button on Jesus W. Bush did something about it...

Sorry, I watch Fox news which as you certainly must know is the most watched news program on TV, I do not beleive 9-11 and Iraq had anything to do with each other: I do beleive in WMD's, we just gave them plenty of time to dispose of them and what the heck does all this have to do with smoking on ships, second hand smoke or anything else. You disagree with him, that is your right but it doesn't need to be brought up here.

 

Nita

[Dolphins]

This is a common misperception. Carnival Paradise did very well for a while. Unfortunately it never changed itineraries and it was the only ship in the fleet that was non-smoking. Eventually people wanted to try different ships and itineraries so its number of customers decreased.

 

The trend worldwide has been that within a year of instututing a smoking ban, businesses have been back at their prior revenues or even gone up in revenues with few exceptions.

 

NCL appears to be going in the right direction. Hopefully they will ban smoking in the casino, staterooms, and balconies in the coming months.

 

Carnival's smoke-free Paradise was always full and very popular, the only Carnival ship we would sail on. The problem for Carnival was that Paradise had the lowest bar and casino revenue of any ship in it's fleet. Obviously, non-smokers do not drink or gamble as much as smokers and the bottom line prevailed.

 

I applaud NCL's new smoking restrictions. On the Dawn there was always a problem at the bar in Gatsby's with the smoke effecting the pianist there, the people waiting to enter Impressions and those in the Asian restaurant directly above.