Fuel Surcharge Illegal?

[BigDfromTN]

Cause stupid people will just bring you down to their level and beat you with experience every time.

 

LMAO...

 

Really and truly..................How big a deal is this?

 

If I had one booked and they added it, YES I would be upset and likely pay it. Not agree, but pay it.

My upcoming it was posted before I booked and I agreed to it and will pay it from now on I figure. Im thinking its like a new tax that congress puts on us. I dont like it but its never going away and I dont have a lot of choice in the matter.

 

The question in my mind is how many people are truly affected by the surcharge that was added after booking?:confused: Of course there is also the argument that until final payment, it is not a "completed" booking or contract. I say this as you can get a complete refund. The deposit thing is a totally one sided deal in that we can bind them to most of the terms and they can bind us to none.

 

JMO and refuse to shovel refuse to the TROLL.;)

 

But will continue to watch this with popcorn in my lap!

[Tapi]

By spending $70 dollars less in the casino or on drinks would only be punishing myself not Carnival. by spending less would mean not having as much fun. All in our group agree that the only way our voice can be heard is through Carnival employees, therefore by not tipping our message will be heard LOUD AND CLEAR. There really is no other option, cancelling is out of the question, flights have been booked hotel resevations prior to the trip have been made. If all of us were to cancel it would be a huge finacial loss for all 36 of us. Carnival will not listen to us minions and by hitting the employees where it counts might get Carnival to listen. Their employees are a little higher up on the food chain than we are.

 

NO TIPPING

 

Not spending $70 at the casino or at the bar will hurt the revenue that Carnival makes on a sailing. They will definitely feel that.

 

Not spending $70 on your cabin steward, waiter, busboy, etc only hurts the people that are going to be working their as$% off during the cruise, and Carnival won't feel a thing.

 

You're entitled to your opinion but my opinion is that it's a horrible, horrible thing to do to these hard working people. You're trying to make a point by hurting the little guys.

 

You might think that 36 people not tipping is going to make an impact but I'm sorry to say that on a ship carrying almost 3,000 people, the only one that will be terribly hurt is the one cabin steward or the one waiter that is stuck with your group.

 

These people didn't have a word on this fuel surcharge decision, yet you've decided to make a point by hurting them. I can assure you that your approach of boycotting will not affect Carnival Corporation's decision one bit.

[cruisecruisecruise1234567]

The question in my mind is how many people are truly affected by the surcharge that was added after booking?:confused: !

 

To answer that question,and you might be surprised at the answer.

 

CCL corp,has almost 100,000 lower berths sailing weekly.They were given a 12 week notice to all before final payment.so the answer is probably 1/2-1 million passengers were affected based on US sailings.:eek:

[Timmys_mom]

Actually if you give it some thought as we did, it is a GREAT idea!!! How else do you get the message across? We are open to suggestions that don't cost us additional money or affect the enjoyment we should get from our cruise.

 

So instead of just shooting a one line comment out there like "what a dumb idea" why don't you come up with some thoughtful suggestions.

I say you should smuggle $70 worth of alcohol in your luggage. You would then still get to drink (doesn't effect your enjoyment) and you would spend less $$ on your bar tab (doesn't cost you additional money), thus making an impact on Carnival's bottom line.

 

Now that I have offered a thoughtful suggestion, do I get to tell you how self-centered, immature and pointless your "solution" is? :rolleyes:

[Tapi]

 

Cut your bar, photo or casino budget by $70 bucks if you must. Protest should involve sacrifice not hardship for others.

 

 

AMEN!

[Tapi]

 

Still waiting for thoughtful suggestions that do not cost additional money or affect the quality of our cruise.

 

NO TIPPING:mad:

 

Can you tell me how NOT tipping the people that will serve you for 7 days NOT affect the quality of your cruise??

[big_duck]

Can you tell me how NOT tipping the people that will serve you for 7 days NOT affect the quality of your cruise??

 

It would certainly affect the next group, but then that wouldn't concern the selfish anyway.

[Mikel1733]

Can you tell me how NOT tipping the people that will serve you for 7 days NOT affect the quality of your cruise??

 

My thoughts are that the fuel surcharge gives those who don't like to tip, or those who don't tip an excuse in their minds to justify their actions.

[sistermerm]

I have an old Carnival brochure from 2006 and under the topic "Things to Know Before You Go" it states under price guarantee that "fully paid or deposited guests will be protected, except for fuel surcharges, government taxes, other surcharges" etc. so it has been published LONG before the surcharge was announced...

[AZCRUISER14]

OK I want to thank all of you who have at least tried to make suggestions.

The whole point of our groups protesting the fuel charge by not tipping the waiters/bus boys /room steward was to put the $70 bucks per person back in our pocket (2 week cruise). This cruise was booked on 6-13-07 so we are all victims of this fraud committed by Carnival. As a restaurant manager I know first hand that if enough of my employees complain, things do in fact get changed.

Therefore we feel that if enough of us (not just our group) stop tipping, then the employees complain and management reacts to rectify the problem. Happy employees = Happy customers. Simple logic really. If anyone knows of a way to put this fuel surcharge money back into our pockets without impacting our cruise please let me know. We can’t cancel because all of the flights have been booked and we are not going to spend less on our trip so those options are out.

So if we are all out of ideas I think it is time to put this to rest and our group will just stick with the original plan of not tipping.

Thanks again to everyone.

 

NO TIPPING :mad:

[Mikel1733]

Wow..thought I'd seen and heard it all:(

[dan40]

Actually if you give it some thought as we did, it is a GREAT idea!!! How else do you get the message across? We are open to suggestions that don't cost us additional money or affect the enjoyment we should get from our cruise.

 

So instead of just shooting a one line comment out there like "what a dumb idea" why don't you come up with some thoughtful suggestions.

 

NO TIPPING:mad:

 

The single good line in this post is: "What a dumb idea."

The no tipping plan is useless, not well thought out, mean spirited, cheap, and disgusting.

The surcharge has been referred to the Fl. AG. I doubt that anything will happen there as the fuel surcharge will probably be found as legal.

 

And the single way to get the message across is cancel your cruise. But you stiff the help instead. Cheep, Cheep. What a dedicated Crusader you are. More of a troll than a crusader.

 

Dan

[Cuizer2]

LMAO...

 

Really and truly..................How big a deal is this?

 

If I had one booked and they added it, YES I would be upset and likely pay it. Not agree, but pay it.

My upcoming it was posted before I booked and I agreed to it and will pay it from now on I figure. Im thinking its like a new tax that congress puts on us. I dont like it but its never going away and I dont have a lot of choice in the matter.

 

The question in my mind is how many people are truly affected by the surcharge that was added after booking?:confused: Of course there is also the argument that until final payment, it is not a "completed" booking or contract.

Actually I got hit with this on two cruises (one on Royal Caribbean and one on Carnival) and both were fully paid before I got the full surcharge e-mail. Both booked with different agents. The one I now consider my current and permanent agent (the other was CVC) apparently must have received an ear full, because when I said no problem, just put it on the credit card that he has on file, he said thank you like he really really meant it.

 

I guess I am looking at this a little differently then most, which of course affects my attitude about the whole thing. 1) When I first heard about Carnival's fuel surcharge my reaction was, its about time, what took them so long? 2) All the cruise lines are doing it (airlines have done it for years).

 

What actually bothered me more was the fuel surcharge on a new booking I made. Why charge a surcharge when you know about it in advance? I though it should have been just added to the price. So for me its been a non-issue since before it was ever announced. Since it is a surcharge, what are the chances it gets reduced/refunded if the price of oil goes down?

[big_duck]

OK I want to thank all of you who have at least tried to make suggestions.

 

The whole point of our groups protesting the fuel charge by not tipping the waiters/bus boys /room steward was to put the $70 bucks per person back in our pocket (2 week cruise). This cruise was booked on 6-13-07 so we are all victims of this fraud committed by Carnival. As a restaurant manager I know first hand that if enough of my employees complain, things do in fact get changed.

 

Therefore we feel that if enough of us (not just our group) stop tipping, then the employees complain and management reacts to rectify the problem. Happy employees = Happy customers. Simple logic really. If anyone knows of a way to put this fuel surcharge money back into our pockets without impacting our cruise please let me know. We can’t cancel because all of the flights have been booked and we are not going to spend less on our trip so those options are out.

 

So if we are all out of ideas I think it is time to put this to rest and our group will just stick with the original plan of not tipping.

 

Thanks again to everyone.

 

NO TIPPING :mad:

 

If you can't cut back on your bar bill and still enjoy yourself on a cruise then you have bigger problems then being charged a fuel supplement.

 

I wonder if all those Friends of Bill know how miserable they are. :rolleyes:

[Cuizer2]

If you can't cut back on your bar bill and still enjoy yourself on a cruise then you have bigger problems then being charged a fuel supplement.

 

I wonder if all those Friends of Bill know how miserable they are. :rolleyes:

The guy is a troll, not a restaurant manager. Quit feeding him.

[sea_u_onboard]

OK the solution to this is easy. There are 36 of us going on a 2 week Carnival Cruise in April 08. We have all decided not to tip the Waiters, Bus Boys, and Room Steward. This will get us all our 70 dollars back and then some. It will also send a message to Carnival through their employees. When these people don't get a tip and we let them know that it is because of the fuel surcharge, Carnival will have a whole bunch of disgruntled employees to deal with.

 

I urge all of you to rise up and send Carnival a message by not tipping their employees.

I'm just waiting on the next little tid bit of idiotic ramblings to emerge. I went out to see what other wealth of knowledge you have shared with everyone from your other cruises to find that the only thread you've posted to is this one.

 

I can smell a TROLL from here and I have a cold.

[gtcruzer]

i SAW the surcharge on my ORIGINAL invoice. how many others will admit that?

I will NOT screw over the working folks.

 

this is the best comment i have seen on the subject so far...

 

Perhaps I will just spend 70.00 less onboard the ship.

 

and BTW, Bills True Friends are DAMN GOOD PEOPLE

[sea_u_onboard]

OK I want to thank all of you who have at least tried to make suggestions.

 

The whole point of our groups protesting the fuel charge by not tipping the waiters/bus boys /room steward was to put the $70 bucks per person back in our pocket (2 week cruise). This cruise was booked on 6-13-07 so we are all victims of this fraud committed by Carnival. As a restaurant manager I know first hand that if enough of my employees complain, things do in fact get changed.

 

Therefore we feel that if enough of us (not just our group) stop tipping, then the employees complain and management reacts to rectify the problem. Happy employees = Happy customers. Simple logic really. If anyone knows of a way to put this fuel surcharge money back into our pockets without impacting our cruise please let me know. We can’t cancel because all of the flights have been booked and we are not going to spend less on our trip so those options are out.

 

So if we are all out of ideas I think it is time to put this to rest and our group will just stick with the original plan of not tipping.

 

Thanks again to everyone.

 

NO TIPPING :mad:

You and your friends are a drop in a bucket and even if you could convince EVERYONE on CC to remove their tips it is not going to be enough to make them change their minds about the fuel surcharge - they have our money now.

 

Here's the point you are missing. The employees that are getting these tips depend on them - if they complain Carnival will tell them fine - leave. From what I understand foreigners fight to get a job on a cruiseship as the money is good compared to what they would make at home - but they must scarifice family life. So if you don't tip all you are doing is putting a financial burden on the people who are not really in a position to complain. The people who are in the postion are the people who go on the cruises - through emails, phone calls, canceling, filinf complaints with the State of Florida - but you sure don't go after the little guys.

 

Sounds like an excuse to me to save a few bucks. I don't like the surcharge but I'm not going attack someone who had nothing to do with it.

 

(More Troll Bait)

[thefish]

I don’t see what the problem is. Whenever I get hit with a surcharge or the cost of gasoline goes up I do exactly what the cruise industry would do; I present a bill to my employer to cover the extra expense out of my pocket. This sure keeps me from having to fret about anything called a budget. I haven’t heard anything back about the expense reports that I have submitted to my boss but I expect a check any day now. Just in case the company rejects my request for reimbursement I will take my employment elsewhere, that’ll teach them.

 

What’s funny about the above is that this actually works for the higher management of major companies.

[Guest nhrich]

OK I want to thank all of you who have at least tried to make suggestions.

The whole point of our groups protesting the fuel charge by not tipping the waiters/bus boys /room steward was to put the $70 bucks per person back in our pocket (2 week cruise). This cruise was booked on 6-13-07 so we are all victims of this fraud committed by Carnival. As a restaurant manager I know first hand that if enough of my employees complain, things do in fact get changed.

Therefore we feel that if enough of us (not just our group) stop tipping, then the employees complain and management reacts to rectify the problem. Happy employees = Happy customers. Simple logic really. If anyone knows of a way to put this fuel surcharge money back into our pockets without impacting our cruise please let me know. We can’t cancel because all of the flights have been booked and we are not going to spend less on our trip so those options are out.

So if we are all out of ideas I think it is time to put this to rest and our group will just stick with the original plan of not tipping.

Thanks again to everyone.

 

NO TIPPING :mad:

 

So it's all about you and getting your money back. Certainly a selfish attitude if I've ever seen one. You really don't give a rat's behind about anyone but yourself. No wonder this country's going in the direction it is, with people having that selfish attitude.

 

If everyone had that attitude, the crew would just not come back after their contract. Complaining to CCL wouldn't get them anywhere, and like any major corporation, corporate just doesn't care.

 

What will wind up happening is the cruise lines will do like NCL and call it a service charge rather than a tip, and not give you the option (without a darned good reason) to remove it from your account. You can look in the mirror and thank yourself when that happens.

[mjbearit]

To answer that question,and you might be surprised at the answer.

 

CCL corp,has almost 100,000 lower berths sailing weekly.They were given a 12 week notice to all before final payment.so the answer is probably 1/2-1 million passengers were affected based on US sailings.:eek:

Actually CCC# I was one of those affected. Not only was I booked, and paid in full, my fun pass were all filled out on line to boot. This will be my first cruise so maybe this doesn't bother me so much because I don't have years of expectations being shattered. I just figure this is all part of what I see at the gas pump each week! After reading this I want to clarify, I'm not being nasty or anything, just truthful. :D

[BetterLateThannever]

Who cares? Doesn't matter if they had the "right" to do it or not.

 

Bottom line, unless you've been living under a rock, you can't help but notice the cost of fuel has slightly increased over the past year, yet the cruise ticket remains the best value in vacation travel out there.

 

I, for one, would much rather pay the extra $5 a day than have them say nothing and slowly cutback on quality of service. Something has to give. Simple economics.

 

Find something else to complain about. That's my $.02

[Cuizer2]

What will wind up happening is the cruise lines will do like NCL and call it a service charge rather than a tip, and not give you the option (without a darned good reason) to remove it from your account. You can look in the mirror and thank yourself when that happens.

What good would looking in the mirror do? He has no reflection. :eek:

[cruisecruisecruise1234567]

yet the cruise ticket remains the best value in vacation travel out there.

 

 

 

How do you figure? It used to be the best value but now they have slowly increased costs and decreased product. I will admit that ones geographical location also plays a part.There is a CC feature now that adds it all up.Its no longer the best for all.

[Snorkel2Much]

Who cares? Doesn't matter if they had the "right" to do it or not.

 

Bottom line, unless you've been living under a rock, you can't help but notice the cost of fuel has slightly increased over the past year, yet the cruise ticket remains the best value in vacation travel out there.

 

I, for one, would much rather pay the extra $5 a day than have them say nothing and slowly cutback on quality of service. Something has to give. Simple economics.

 

Find something else to complain about. That's my $.02

The following is satire:

Unless you've been living under a rock, you'll know that many if not all room stewards come from tough economic circumstances, yet their tips only provide them a sub-minimum wage by U.S. standards, while the cruise ticket remains the best value in vacation travel out there.

 

I for one, would much rather let all of the steward's steal an extra $10 per day from wallets & purses in each cabin than suffer an inevitable decrease in cleaning service quality. Something has to give. Simple economics.

 

Don't like this new form of theft? Who cares? Doesn't matter if they had the "right" to do it or not. Find something else to complain about. That's my $.02 :rolleyes: ;)