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[Casino Player]

What ? It get's the same rating, the majority of places including all the cruise ships I have been on rate you for your line bet and 1x odds.

 

 

 

Ok, let's start with this, play for $$$$ not for comps, chasing comps will cost you big time.

 

For what it's worth, it makes very little difference in the great scheme of things whether you bet $100 or $50, your talking about maybe $1 difference in the comp value.

 

HHHHHEEEEELLLLLLLLLLOOOOO jetwet1: You seem to be the only person that works for a casino that has told me they rate any of a players odds. Every casino I have ever been to, including those on ships, a manager has told me that players are rated based on Pass Line bets, Come bets, and Place bets. Also, on the Don't Pass, Don't Come, and Lay bets. And of course the crazy crapper bets. You are the only person who works for a casino that says you are rated on any part of your odds bet. You are funny. I know that a casino looks at an odds bet as an even bet at the end.

My aqaintence, enjoys playing the way he does. That is the bottom line for me. As another gambler told me once, "you might be able to push the house, but you can't push your friends."

By the way, don't casinos use comps to try to get gamblers to change their loyalties from one casino to another? My late brother-in-law, who was a certified high roller, told me that casinos would try to outdo each other to get his business.

Edited February 14, 2010 by Casino Player

[zetachi]

So just got off the Pearl and I have to say that even though this was only my 2nd cruise with a casino on board the 1 table that the Pearl had was $10 min all the time and I never saw more then 4 players at any time:eek: At some points there was only one player at the table. The 3 times I played we maxed out at 4 and a lot of the time it was just 2 or 3. While on RCL Indy last year there were 2 tables if I recall correctly and they were always full and one was always $5. Even though Indy only had single odds almost all of the time and only went to 2x one night while NCL had 2x,3x and 4x odds all the time. It was a pretty pathetic gambling experience. Oh yeah and the dice were horrible lost every time I went :(

[cruzincurt]

The $10 min is something I haven't seen on cruise ships. On the Independence of the Seas in December, with $5 min, one often found it difficult to get a spot around the table at times. With only 4, they eliminate one dealer by just serving one end I guess.

[Casino Player]

So just got off the Pearl and I have to say that even though this was only my 2nd cruise with a casino on board the 1 table that the Pearl had was $10 min all the time and I never saw more then 4 players at any time:eek: At some points there was only one player at the table. The 3 times I played we maxed out at 4 and a lot of the time it was just 2 or 3. While on RCL Indy last year there were 2 tables if I recall correctly and they were always full and one was always $5. Even though Indy only had single odds almost all of the time and only went to 2x one night while NCL had 2x,3x and 4x odds all the time. It was a pretty pathetic gambling experience. Oh yeah and the dice were horrible lost every time I went :(

 

HHHHHEEEEELLLLLLLLLLOOOOO zetachi: I have never heard of a $10 table on a cruise ship at all times before. I like a table with few players on it at least to start. When I'm on Celebrity they have $5 minimum bet and a 3-4-5x odds. I usually start things rolling and the table fills up on most nights.

The dice weren't horrible. Either the rollers were unlucky or the shooters just didn't get some good rolls. It happens.

Better luck next time.

[zetachi]

I know the Dice have no memory but all I have is nightmares :D

[sailor_jimc]

It may be just the way NCL runs their casinos. I took one NCL cruise and remember them trying to make it $10 min a couple of times but they ended up dropping it to $5 just to get people to play. I can see increasing the minimum when the table is full but unless they wanted to keep it down to having only one end open due to lack of dealers, I don't understand why the constant $10 minimum.

 

Of course the same can be said in land based casinos. With the economy the way it is there just isn't as many people in the casinos now. I am amazed that they take a table game that is half full and increase the minimum and watch those that were playing leave and the table go empty. I would think they would much rather have a full table at $5 then an empty one at $10. But I see it all the time... a bunch of empty $10 tables and one $5 table that is packed...

[terbear_4u]

I have been following this thread and I have a question for YO Eleven and the Don't Pass and Don't Come Players:

 

Why not drop the odds part of the don't bets and just increase the flat bet from the start and leave a flat bet only?

 

Wouldn't There be less $$$ risk to make the same $$$ when you win?

 

ie.....$10 DP flat bet /w$20 odds = $20 win with a total risk of $30

 

The alternitive bet could be as follows:

 

ie....$20 flat bet /w no odds = $20 win with a total risk of just $20 instead of a $30 risk

 

Why add the odds part of the don't bets at all , when you could win the same amount with less risk by just increasing your flat bet at the start?

 

And If you didn't like the point number you could always withdraw your flat bet, If you were scared of a point of 6 or 8 when playing the don'ts.

[popinpics]

I have been following this thread and I have a question for YO Eleven and the Don't Pass and Don't Come Players:

 

Why not drop the odds part of the don't bets and just increase the flat bet from the start and leave a flat bet only?

 

Wouldn't There be less $$$ risk to make the same $$$ when you win?

 

ie.....$10 DP flat bet /w$20 odds = $20 win with a total risk of $30

 

The alternitive bet could be as follows:

 

ie....$20 flat bet /w no odds = $20 win with a total risk of just $20 instead of a $30 risk

 

Why add the odds part of the don't bets at all , when you could win the same amount with less risk by just increasing your flat bet at the start?

 

And If you didn't like the point number you could always withdraw your flat bet, If you were scared of a point of 6 or 8 when playing the don'ts.

The Odds bet is called the odds bet because it pays at even odds. Meaning the house has NO! advantage.This makes it the best bet you can make in a casino. It makes no difference whether it's pass or don't pass. Also once a point is established on your pass,don't pass,come,don't come bet you cannot take it down. This is called a contract bet with the house.

[AndyTheK]

The Odds bet is called the odds bet because it pays at even odds. Meaning the house has NO! advantage.This makes it the best bet you can make in a casino. It makes no difference whether it's pass or don't pass. Also once a point is established on your pass,don't pass,come,don't come bet you cannot take it down. This is called a contract bet with the house.

The DON'T bets are not contract bets and may be reduced or taken down. The reason is simple: once a point is established, the probability is in the player's favor. For ecample, when the point is 4 or 10, it is 2-1 that YOU will win your don't bet. The house will be overjoyed if you take it down!

 

terbear_4u: You are considering only the amount of the payoff. You also need to take into account how often the payoff will occur. What is missing from your method is the result of the comeout roll: don't players are at a big disadvantage - seven or eleven will occur on the average eight times in 36 comeouts. The bet will be gone before a point is even established. Taking this into account results in the usual published house advantage.

[popinpics]

The DON'T bets are not contract bets and may be reduced or taken down. The reason is simple: once a point is established, the probability is in the player's favor. For ecample, when the point is 4 or 10, it is 2-1 that YOU will win your don't bet. The house will be overjoyed if you take it down!

 

terbear_4u: You are considering only the amount of the payoff. You also need to take into account how often the payoff will occur. What is missing from your method is the result of the comeout roll: don't players are at a big disadvantage - seven or eleven will occur on the average eight times in 36 comeouts. The bet will be gone before a point is even established. Taking this into account results in the usual published house advantage.

Thanks Andy. I stand corrected RE: taking down a don't bet. I never play on the dark side so it never dawned on me but of course the house would let a player do that.TERBEAR Look at it this way.If you play the don't pass or come you are just trading places with the house.

[AndyTheK]

Many years ago I was talking about craps to a fellow worker who was one of the "know it all" types. He said he always played the don't because if the house has a 1.5% advantage over the right players, then since he was playing opposite, he would get the advantage. I asked him. "what about the push on 12?" He answered, "that doesn't happen very often!" Hmmmmm. just often enough :D:D

 

I may be mistaken, bit I'd think that the house would be very happy if two players at the table bet EXACTLY opposite each other. Hot table or cold, payoff to the winner would be paid from the loser's bet every time. EXCEPT for that "little" push on 12, when the house would just take the right bettor's money and not pay the wrong better. Never cost them a dime.

 

In a casino, everything has a reason. Somebody has to pay for all those lights!

[The other Idaho 21]

I think I know the answer to this but wanted to ask any way. What happens when you put your bet in the Come/Don't Come area and:

 

1) the point that's been established is made?

 

2) 7 comes up?

 

3) 2, 3, 11, or 12?

 

Also....

 

I've been reading John Patrick’s "Advanced Craps" in an attempt to work on my money management skills and gain a few simple and successful betting strategies. Up till now I've been a novice player with the attitude that I'm just playing for fun. Normally I stick to pass line with odds, a couple place bets... and occasionally a few crazy bets (mostly for the dealers).

 

From what I've learned lately my plan is to try out three main strategies on our upcoming Riviera cruise and see how they compare.

 

First, is a regression system of placing the 6 & 8, bypassing the come-out roll accompanied with a up and out variation. Example: Place 6 & 8 for 12 each, after the first hit go to 6$ each 6 & 8. After the second hit go to 22 inside, after 2 hits on any of those numbers, take down the 5 & 9, after one more hit on either the 6 or 8, take them down.

 

The second one I think I'll try (on the nights that they offer more than single odds) would be pass line max odds, two come bets max odds. Patrick doesn't like this strategy because of not having control over the numbers that come up, but like you guys were talking about, getting true odds is the best bet in the casino from the standpoint of lowering the house edge as much as possible.

 

The third one that I want to give a try I learned from Scoblette in one of his books (recommended by Yo-11) is a Doey/Don't hedge system that seems a little more complicated and I don't know if I trust cruise ship dealers to follow it. I may do better waiting for my next Vegas trip to try this one out, but it looks like a sound strategy. He also recommends a 5 count system that limits losses due to point & immediate 7-out's.

 

All that to say... What are your opinion's of the strategys I'm looking at? Are there pros or cons that I haven’t looked at?

 

Thanks,

Jason

[AndyTheK]

I think I know the answer to this but wanted to ask any way. What happens when you put your bet in the Come/Don't Come area and:

 

1) the point that's been established is made?

 

2) 7 comes up?

 

3) 2, 3, 11, or 12?

 

Also....

 

I've been reading John Patrick’s "Advanced Craps" in an attempt to work on my money management skills and gain a few simple and successful betting strategies. Up till now I've been a novice player with the attitude that I'm just playing for fun. Normally I stick to pass line with odds, a couple place bets... and occasionally a few crazy bets (mostly for the dealers).

 

From what I've learned lately my plan is to try out three main strategies on our upcoming Riviera cruise and see how they compare.

 

First, is a regression system of placing the 6 & 8, bypassing the come-out roll accompanied with a up and out variation. Example: Place 6 & 8 for 12 each, after the first hit go to 6$ each 6 & 8. After the second hit go to 22 inside, after 2 hits on any of those numbers, take down the 5 & 9, after one more hit on either the 6 or 8, take them down.

 

The second one I think I'll try (on the nights that they offer more than single odds) would be pass line max odds, two come bets max odds. Patrick doesn't like this strategy because of not having control over the numbers that come up, but like you guys were talking about, getting true odds is the best bet in the casino from the standpoint of lowering the house edge as much as possible.

 

The third one that I want to give a try I learned from Scoblette in one of his books (recommended by Yo-11) is a Doey/Don't hedge system that seems a little more complicated and I don't know if I trust cruise ship dealers to follow it. I may do better waiting for my next Vegas trip to try this one out, but it looks like a sound strategy. He also recommends a 5 count system that limits losses due to point & immediate 7-out's.

 

All that to say... What are your opinion's of the strategys I'm looking at? Are there pros or cons that I haven’t looked at?

 

Thanks,

Jason

 

First part: A come is the same as the comeout on a pass. Doesn't matter that there is a point for the shooter, even if you are the shooter. In other words

 

1) Your come bet goes up into that number (which up to now was the point for pass bettors).

 

2) On 7 your come wins even money.

 

3a) On 11 you win even money

3b) 2,3,12 yo lose

 

Don't come is exactly opposite,. except 12 is a push.

 

In case 1, the table (shooter) is now "coming out", and odds are by default off (not working) on that roll. So, you won't add the odds bet until a point is established for the table. If unsure of what to do, the dealer will help you. Watch how the dealers work - they will pay the front line, take the don't pass bets, pay any place/buy bets (yes they are ALLOWED on the point!) pay the field if applicable, and finally, move your come bet up to its spot on the layout.

 

Something to look for: if you make a bet in the come box, and one of your already working come numbers with odds hits, the presumption is that you want to keep the odds live, and make another come bet. The dealer will give you the winnings and manage the new bet/odds. This is called "off and on". Sweet words to hear!

 

Second part: Whatever floats your boat (pun intentional). I personally don't see why people use complex strategies. There's no reason to believe that when a table is hot it will turn cold on the next roll (so much for "regression"). Nor is there a reason to believe a cold table will turn hot on the next roll. So much for "progression." As for hedging strategies, if it makes you feel better, go ahead, but a sucker bet is still a sucker bet no matter what the reason for your placing it. I toke the dealers direct.

 

In the long run, no system ever invented changes the house advantage one bit. Just my two cents.

[The other Idaho 21]

In case 1, the table (shooter) is now "coming out", and odds are by default off (not working) on that roll. So, you won't add the odds bet until a point is established for the table. If unsure of what to do, the dealer will help you. Watch how the dealers work - they will pay the front line, take the don't pass bets, pay any place/buy bets (yes they are ALLOWED on the point!) pay the field if applicable, and finally, move your come bet up to its spot on the layout.

 

Something to look for: if you make a bet in the come box, and one of your already working come numbers with odds hits, the presumption is that you want to keep the odds live, and make another come bet. The dealer will give you the winnings and manage the new bet/odds. This is called "off and on". Sweet words to hear!

 

Second part: Whatever floats your boat (pun intentional). I personally don't see why people use complex strategies. There's no reason to believe that when a table is hot it will turn cold on the next roll (so much for "regression"). Nor is there a reason to believe a cold table will turn hot on the next roll. So much for "progression." As for hedging strategies, if it makes you feel better, go ahead, but a sucker bet is still a sucker bet no matter what the reason for your placing it. I toke the dealers direct.

 

In the long run, no system ever invented changes the house advantage one bit. Just my two cents.

 

The initial questions were just to clarify come/don't come bets. Thanks for the clarification.

 

The other strategies I've read about (especailly the 1st scenario) was meant to bet only (or mostly) with winnings after the first hit. Since the 7-out is inevitible, the idea is to only have winnings at risk whenever that finally comes. I like that idea.

 

Thanks for the help.

 

Jason

[terbear_4u]

The DON'T bets are not contract bets and may be reduced or taken down. The reason is simple: once a point is established, the probability is in the player's favor. For ecample, when the point is 4 or 10, it is 2-1 that YOU will win your don't bet. The house will be overjoyed if you take it down!

 

terbear_4u: You are considering only the amount of the payoff. You also need to take into account how often the payoff will occur. What is missing from your method is the result of the comeout roll: don't players are at a big disadvantage - seven or eleven will occur on the average eight times in 36 comeouts. The bet will be gone before a point is even established. Taking this into account results in the usual published house advantage.

 

 

AndyTheK:

 

I was really considering the Odds part of the Don't bets. Why add them to my flat bet at all ? When I would be risking more $$$ for less payoff $$$ with the Odds part added to my Flat bet?

 

And on the Come Out Roll; Doesn't the Don't Pass bet WIN, if 2 or 3 is rolled ? ( Just as the passline bets LOSE if 2,3, or 12 is rolled ? On a come out roll?)

[AndyTheK]

AndyTheK:

 

I was really considering the Odds part of the Don't bets. Why add them to my flat bet at all ? When I would be risking more $$$ for less payoff $$$ with the Odds part added to my Flat bet?

 

And on the Come Out Roll; Doesn't the Don't Pass bet WIN, if 2 or 3 is rolled ? ( Just as the passline bets LOSE if 2,3, or 12 is rolled ? On a come out roll?)

 

"Risking more money for less payoff" Yes, but you will win more often than you will lose. On the average EXACTLY balances out!

 

Yes, the don't wins on 2 and 3, and pushes on 12. That is factored in as well to get the published house advantage. I just didn't mention it.

 

Shalom, Andy.

[Casino Player]

I think I know the answer to this but wanted to ask any way. What happens when you put your bet in the Come/Don't Come area and:

 

1) the point that's been established is made?

 

2) 7 comes up?

 

3) 2, 3, 11, or 12?

 

Also....

 

I've been reading John Patrick’s "Advanced Craps" in an attempt to work on my money management skills and gain a few simple and successful betting strategies. Up till now I've been a novice player with the attitude that I'm just playing for fun. Normally I stick to pass line with odds, a couple place bets... and occasionally a few crazy bets (mostly for the dealers).

 

From what I've learned lately my plan is to try out three main strategies on our upcoming Riviera cruise and see how they compare.

 

First, is a regression system of placing the 6 & 8, bypassing the come-out roll accompanied with a up and out variation. Example: Place 6 & 8 for 12 each, after the first hit go to 6$ each 6 & 8. After the second hit go to 22 inside, after 2 hits on any of those numbers, take down the 5 & 9, after one more hit on either the 6 or 8, take them down.

 

The second one I think I'll try (on the nights that they offer more than single odds) would be pass line max odds, two come bets max odds. Patrick doesn't like this strategy because of not having control over the numbers that come up, but like you guys were talking about, getting true odds is the best bet in the casino from the standpoint of lowering the house edge as much as possible.

 

The third one that I want to give a try I learned from Scoblette in one of his books (recommended by Yo-11) is a Doey/Don't hedge system that seems a little more complicated and I don't know if I trust cruise ship dealers to follow it. I may do better waiting for my next Vegas trip to try this one out, but it looks like a sound strategy. He also recommends a 5 count system that limits losses due to point & immediate 7-out's.

 

All that to say... What are your opinion's of the strategys I'm looking at? Are there pros or cons that I haven’t looked at?

 

Thanks,

Jason

 

HHHHHEEEEELLLLLLLLLLOOOOO The other Idaho 21: Question 1: You are in the Come bet area and the point is rolled. After the Pass Line bets are paid off your Come bet is moved to the number just made. The dealer may ask if you want odds on that bet.

You are in the Come bet area and 7 is rolled. The dealers collect all Pass Line bets and any Come bets on a point. Also, they collect active Place bets. The Don't Pass bets get paid and the Come bets in the Come area get paid.

You are in the Come area and a 2,3,or 12 is rolled. The dealer will collect your bet. If a Yo or Yoeleven is rolled you will be paid for your Come bet. Remember, a Come bet is like a Pass Line bet. It pays off on a 7 or 11. Loses on a 2,3,12 just like a Pass Line bet.

I have played the Doey Don't system for years. Not at any casino I wish to be comped at though. However, it is not recommended by Scoblette or even The Captain himself these days. I have had the heat turned up on me in several casinos when using that system. I don't play at one casino and the other has changed ownership. I now use mostly the Captain's High Roller System. The Captain and Scoblette both use that same system.

[Yo Eleven]

HHHHHEEEEELLLLLLLLLLOOOOO The other Idaho 21: Question 1: You are in the Come bet area and the point is rolled. After the Pass Line bets are paid off your Come bet is moved to the number just made. The dealer may ask if you want odds on that bet.

You are in the Come bet area and 7 is rolled. The dealers collect all Pass Line bets and any Come bets on a point. Also, they collect active Place bets. The Don't Pass bets get paid and the Come bets in the Come area get paid.

You are in the Come area and a 2,3,or 12 is rolled. The dealer will collect your bet. If a Yo or Yoeleven is rolled you will be paid for your Come bet. Remember, a Come bet is like a Pass Line bet. It pays off on a 7 or 11. Loses on a 2,3,12 just like a Pass Line bet.

I have played the Doey Don't system for years. Not at any casino I wish to be comped at though. However, it is not recommended by Scoblette or even The Captain himself these days. I have had the heat turned up on me in several casinos when using that system. I don't play at one casino and the other has changed ownership. I now use mostly the Captain's High Roller System. The Captain and Scoblette both use that same system.

Since when did ANY casino give a rat's arse about the system a player uses, especially a doey-don't. You gotta be kidding? Worried about not receiving comps because of your system? That is ludicrous. All they care about is what your buy in was, your average per roll bet and the amount of time you play. There have been more times than not I can coun't where I was killing the house and the other players who were playing the pass line were taking a bath. I was way up and asked for rewards and they didn't blink twice about giving me anything. Maybe they just don't like you. Hahahaha

[Casino Player]

Since when did ANY casino give a rat's arse about the system a player uses, especially a doey-don't. You gotta be kidding? Worried about not receiving comps because of your system? That is ludicrous. All they care about is what your buy in was, your average per roll bet and the amount of time you play. There have been more times than not I can coun't where I was killing the house and the other players who were playing the pass line were taking a bath. I was way up and asked for rewards and they didn't blink twice about giving me anything. Maybe they just don't like you. Hahahaha

 

HHHHHEEEEELLLLLLLLLLOOOOO Yo Eleven: First, it isn't my system, it was developed by The Captain. If you play the Doey Don't system you are playing the Pass Line/Don't Pass Line and the Come/Don't Come at the same time. The way the system was designed was to take away the House edge. If you play this way does it guarentee walking away with House money? No of course not. However, you will lose less than most other people at the table.

Edited March 7, 2010 by Casino Player

[LSTEFFA]

HHHHHEEEEELLLLLLLLLLOOOOO Yo Eleven: First, it isn't my system, it was developed by The Captain. If you play the Doey Don't system you are playing the Pass Line/Don't Pass Line and the Come/Don't Come at the same time. The way the system was designed was to take away the House edge. If you play this way does it guarentee walking away with House money? No of course not. However, you will lose less than most other people at the table.

Doey Don't is a terrible BORING system...you don't even PUSH the house when the BAR 12 shows and knocks down your pass and come bets.

[Casino Player]

Doey Don't is a terrible BORING system...you don't even PUSH the house when the BAR 12 shows and knocks down your pass and come bets.

 

HHHHHEEEEELLLLLLLLLLOOOOO LSTEFFA: Some people might find playing the Doey Don't boring. However, the 12 is the only advantage the House has. It does not knock down your Pass Line and Come bets. It can only knock down one or the other. That is the only edge the House has as you are playing even on Pass Line and Don't Pass. Remember, part of the House edge is by paying even money on Pass Line, Don't Pass, Come, and Don't Come bets instead of true odds. The only bet that pays true odds is the odds bets. Those bets are a wash, no edge for the House.

[Casino Player]

Since when did ANY casino give a rat's arse about the system a player uses, especially a doey-don't. You gotta be kidding? Worried about not receiving comps because of your system? That is ludicrous. All they care about is what your buy in was, your average per roll bet and the amount of time you play. There have been more times than not I can coun't where I was killing the house and the other players who were playing the pass line were taking a bath. I was way up and asked for rewards and they didn't blink twice about giving me anything. Maybe they just don't like you. Hahahaha

 

HHHHHEEEEELLLLLLLLLLOOOOO again Yo Eleven: Remember, no matter what you play the Pass Line or the Don't the House has the edge. In the Doey Don't you are whittling down the House edge. For a player using the Doey Don't the only House edge on a Pass Line or Come bet is the 12. One in thirty-six. Any other bet results in a draw. Win one bet lose another. The House edge is very small. That is the reason the House doesn't like it when you play like that. Remember, whether you play the Pass Line/Come or Don't Pass/Don't Come the House has a definate edge.

[AndyTheK]

Hey guys, my take on the Doey-Dont is this. Every 1980 come outs you will lose one unit (lose 28 on the pass, win 27 on the don't). Very low house edge there, but you have no chance - ZERO, ZIP, ZILCH to win ANYTHING!!! Long run or short, one comeout or 100,000. No bet will make you a cent.

 

It's like watching a porn movie alone instead of being with your girlfriend. No profit in it.

 

What you do get is a chance to play the odds, basically without the weight of the flat bet pulling you down. If that's what you want, go for it!

 

Shalom, Andy.

[MrCo9]

Thing is ...I always have the worst luck when I shoot ... and 7 OUT (without making any numbers) at the worst possible time for Pass Players ... on the 4th roll! :o

There is no GOOD time for the 7 to roll when there is a point for the Do players. Whether it's on roll #2 or roll #202 it's always "One more roll and I woulda gotten even".

 

On both the Don't Come and the Don't Pass, your odds payoff is the exact opposite from the pass or come line. On the don't side, you always have to bet more to win less. For example, with a $10 flat bet on either the Don't Come or Don't Pass, you will receive the following odds payoffs playing at a 2X odds table:

4 or 10 bet $40 to receive $20 5 or 9 bet $30 to receive $20 6 or 8 bet $30 to receive $25

Spaces inserted to allow for the post to make sense.

 

Oh does anyone know what is up with some player that bring pen and paper to the craps table? It appears they are writing down what each roll turns up on the dice. How does this help them. Dice have no memory so isn't this a waste of time? Or are they writing down other stuff I don't know about. Never understood the pen and paper craps player. :confused:

I think it is so later when they are at home they can look at their notes and see why they lost. Next time they play they will adjust their play, but with a different outcome as the dice never roll the same way twice.

 

I have 11 years experience as a dealer and supervisor in Las Vegas. Have any questions? I can answer them all.

 

People can and do win playing the "Dark side", but more often than not it is the Do players that make the money. Simply because their bets pay more than what is wagered, while a don't player has to bet more to win less. A casino ALWAYS has the advantage over Do and Don't players due to two variables, bigger bankrolls and more time available.

[MrCo9]

The Odds bet is called the odds bet because it pays at even odds. Meaning the house has NO! advantage.This makes it the best bet you can make in a casino. It makes no difference whether it's pass or don't pass. Also once a point is established on your pass,don't pass,come,don't come bet you cannot take it down. This is called a contract bet with the house.

Thanks for proving the "A little information is DANGEROUS" adage. They don't pay at "Even" odss, they pay "True" odds, there is a difference. Two players, one playing the Do and the other paying the Don't will balance each other out if both are making the same flat bet and both take full odds. That's where "The casino has no advantage" comes from. You can always take down a Don't bet, only a Do bet is a contract bet and can not be taken down. (Except apparently at one casino in Costa Rico).