Craps Players Step Inside!

[jetwet1]

Chris,

 

If you think a pit boss needs to have all the action stopped to run down a game, the 15 years you have spent working in casinos has been with some sorry arsed bosses. Any boxmen worth his weight in salt can tell within $100 what the table is doing in 10 seconds by knowing what the bank was whan (s)he got on the game and by keeping track of what has gone in the box.

 

Curt,

 

Next time you THINK a casino is getting a fill JUST to chill the table, take a GOOD look at the bank and see how many chips they have of each denomination. I bet they are down to less than 6 stacks of one color or another. THAT is why they are getting a fill at that time. That or it was ordered 45 minutes earlier and just NOW the cage filled it and/or security JUST now got around to bringing it over.

 

Exactly, in some of the bigger house that I have run it can take over an hour to get a fill on to a game, with that said, putting a fill on to a dice game should in no way disrupt the game, the shooter continues to roll while the boxperson handles the fill.

[cruzincurt]

The way I see it is if setting the dice and trying to control them works 1 time out of 100, that's better than just randomly throw'n them. Hard to prove a negative.

Edited March 17, 2010 by cruzincurt

[iahawkize]

If the shooter is on a roll I like to play the 6 & 8 for $12 and the hard 6 & 8 for $5 That way I win a minumum of $7 every time they roll the 6 or 8 and if I get lucky enough that the shooter rolls it the hard way one time I make $35 (7-1 odds) plus the $12 on the easy for a total of $47. MY initial outlay is $24 on the easys and $10 on the hards for a total of $34. Obviously this system fails miserably if the shooters roll a few 7 outs after the point!

[MrCo9]

If the shooter is on a roll I like to play the 6 & 8 for $12 and the hard 6 & 8 for $5 That way I win a minumum of $7 every time they roll the 6 or 8 and if I get lucky enough that the shooter rolls it the hard way one time I make $35 (7-1 odds) plus the $12 on the easy for a total of $47. MY initial outlay is $24 on the easys and $10 on the hards for a total of $34. Obviously this system fails miserably if the shooters roll a few 7 outs after the point!

Not sure if you mean $12 or a total of $12 between the 6 and 8. If it's $12 on each and all you're winning is $7 when the 6 or 8 comes easy you're being ripped off, or you're playing the Big 6 and 8, which is the same thing as being ripped off. You should be paid $14 and lose $5, for a net win of $9. And the proper payout for a hard 6 or 8 is 9 times whatever you bet on it. So, if you had $12 on the 6 or 8 and it came hard you should be paid $14 for the place bet and an additional $45 for your hard way and both bets would still be there to win again.

[cruzincurt]

I just got off the Oasis and the table was like ice all week, they could have used it as a salad bar. The dealers were some of the best I've encountered. I really don't like it when the shooter is playing the Don't Pass line.

 

Players were trying everything, Pass, Come, Don't Pass, Don't Come, Horn, midnight, hop, field; nothing seemed to work for long enough to cash out a winner. Only two nights did I cash out a winner; even for the week.

Edited May 23, 2010 by cruzincurt

[Yo Eleven]

I just got off the Oasis and the table was like ice all week, they could have used it as a salad bar. The dealers were some of the best I've encountered. I really don't like it when the shooter is playing the Don't Pass line.

 

Players were trying everything, Pass, Come, Don't Pass, Don't Come, Horn, midnight, hop, field; nothing seemed to work for long enough to cash out a winner. Only two nights did I cash out a winner; even for the week.

Best news I heard in a long time! :D

[cruzincurt]

I know you would be happy for me.:rolleyes: But I did enjoy taking down the darksiders when I was rolling.:) I was amazed how many people insist on playing the high casino percentage bets.

 

Blackjack was $10 min except for a few special hours of $6 because they now have the $2 virtual blackjack machines. There was also a roulette table $5 inside $25 outside. There were two craps tables and one was empty most of the time.

[AndyTheK]

Blackjack was $10 min except for a few special hours of $6 because they now have the $2 virtual blackjack machines. There was also a roulette table $5 inside $25 outside. There were two craps tables and one was empty most of the time.

Boy oh Boy! Minimums getting higher and higher by the day. $25 x 32 spins/hr x 5.26% = $42.11/hr expected loss!! I guess someone has to pay for Central Park. :D:D

You won't get me NEAR the Oasis (or the Dream or whatever its name is).

[rolotumasi]

Blackjack was $10 min except for a few special hours of $6 because they now have the $2 virtual blackjack machines. There was also a roulette table $5 inside $25 outside. There were two craps tables and one was empty most of the time.

 

what were the craps table minimums on the Oasis? and did they have a lower minimum amount on certain nights like with blackjack John

[cruzincurt]

On the Oasis the craps min was always $5, never less. Single odds and I don't think they ever offered 2X during the week. The blackjack went to $6 for a couple of hours. There are 3 of the virtual blackjack machines for $2 min. There is also a Texas Holdem table game which looks like a loser to me. Lots of Texas Holdem tournaments. My DW hit a big win on Let it Ride.

 

Lots of one cent machines but you have to play max like 50 lines x 15 credits = $7.50 or more a spin on some machines to hit the bigger jackpots so they are not what they seem.

 

Andy, the Oasis is the big dog. I'm so glad we went and will go back again.

Edited May 23, 2010 by cruzincurt

[Yo Eleven]

On the Oasis the craps min was always $5, never less. Single odds and I don't think they ever offered 2X during the week. The blackjack went to $6 for a couple of hours. There are 3 of the virtual blackjack machines for $2 min. There is also a Texas Holdem table game which looks like a loser to me. Lots of Texas Holdem tournaments. My DW hit a big win on Let it Ride.

 

Lots of one cent machines but you have to play max like 50 lines x 15 credits = $7.50 or more a spin on some machines to hit the bigger jackpots so they are not what they seem.

 

Andy, the Oasis is the big dog. I'm so glad we went and will go back again.

Considering the number of passengers did they have TWO craps tables?

 

And what was it like trying to get a spot during peak times?

[rolotumasi]

On the Oasis the craps min was always $5, never less. Single odds and I don't think they ever offered 2X during the week. The blackjack went to $6 for a couple of hours. There are 3 of the virtual blackjack machines for $2 min. There is also a Texas Holdem table game which looks like a loser to me. Lots of Texas Holdem tournaments. My DW hit a big win on Let it Ride.

 

Lots of one cent machines but you have to play max like 50 lines x 15 credits = $7.50 or more a spin on some machines to hit the bigger jackpots so they are not what they seem.

 

Andy, the Oasis is the big dog. I'm so glad we went and will go back again.

 

Thank you for the information, I am looking forward to my trip in January.

one last question on sea days were the craps tables open in the afternoon or just at night? John

[cruzincurt]

Thank you for the information, I am looking forward to my trip in January.

one last question on sea days were the craps tables open in the afternoon or just at night? John

The tables open at 12:00 noon, the slots at 9:00 am. Not much action in the early afternoon at craps, I did find a couple of players to join around 4:00 pm.

 

There are two craps tables, one on the smoking side of the casino, one on the non-smoking side. The smoking side saw the most action. At times, the tables were empty, after the late dinner seating lets out at around 10:30 pm, the action picked up on the smoking side. I was always able to join the craps table as there appeared to be few long rolls, hence many players came, made their donation, and went frequently.

 

I don't mind darksiders, it's your money, bet how you want to, but many have a bad attitude when the point gets made and they lose, make nasty comments and storm off. I know that's not Yo Eleven...

Edited May 24, 2010 by cruzincurt

[cruzincurt]

One other thing they had on the Oasis...give them $20 once per person, and they give you $30 in special $5 pink chips and some odds calculator wheels . They call it "Win Chips". You then have to play the chips off on the tables.

 

On the craps table, the dealers made those pink ones disappear and replaced them with $5 regular chips after each bet.

[rolotumasi]

Thank you for all your information it was very helpful. I posted this when I went on the Explorer in October but I like to play pass line with odds and place the 6 and 8 take 3 hits and come down. I know I will not win a fortune but I usually do not get killed either John

[philv]

OK all you savvy craps players. I was reading about a dark side betting strategy where this guy bet $25 on don't pass, $3 hop sevens, and $1 eleven. He then pressed in some situations but my first question was, what the heck is $3 hop sevens? A little internet research revealed hop bets are single roll bets with 15:1 odds, not marked on table, bets are made verbally with the stickman. Anybody ever heard of this? :confused:

[Yo Eleven]

OK all you savvy craps players. I was reading about a dark side betting strategy where this guy bet $25 on don't pass, $3 hop sevens, and $1 eleven. He then pressed in some situations but my first question was, what the heck is $3 hop sevens? A little internet research revealed hop bets are single roll bets with 15:1 odds, not marked on table, bets are made verbally with the stickman. Anybody ever heard of this? :confused:

Let's keep this simple.

Hopping sevens is a bet that a seven will be rolled on the VERY next roll.

Any combination of a seven on the dice on the next roll will be a winner.

This being: 6 and 1

4 and 3

5 and 2

 

This pays 15:1

 

It is a MUCH better bet than the ANY SEVEN bet which pays 4:1

 

Yes, most layouts do not have hop bets present. However, I have seen them on Biloxi casino layouts though, as hopping there is pretty common.

 

Royal Caribbean Cruiseline allowed me to make hop bets. Nobody there playing craps knew what the hell I was doing and kept asking questions.

It ain't Vegas, baby. LOL

Hope this helps.

Edited May 25, 2010 by Yo Eleven

[MrCo9]

Let's keep this simple.

Hopping sevens is a bet that a seven will be rolled on the VERY next roll.

Any combination of a seven on the dice on the next roll will be a winner.

This being: 6 and 1

4 and 3

5 and 2

 

This pays 15:1

 

It is a MUCH better bet than the ANY SEVEN bet which pays 4:1

On a $3 bet any 7 pays back $12 if the 7 rolls. A $3 bet on a 3-way 7 hopping wil pay back $13. If the extra $1 is your definition of MUCH better, so be it. On the hopping 7 you can choose to bet all 3 ways or you can choose that the 7 will come 6-1 5-2 or 4-3.

[Yo Eleven]

On a $3 bet any 7 pays back $12 if the 7 rolls. A $3 bet on a 3-way 7 hopping wil pay back $13. If the extra $1 is your definition of MUCH better, so be it. On the hopping 7 you can choose to bet all 3 ways or you can choose that the 7 will come 6-1 5-2 or 4-3.

Oh please. This coming from a so called Vegas dealer? :rolleyes:

 

Almost every casino pays out the Any Seven at 4:1 odds, which is worse than the true odds which are 5:1. This is a terrible bet to make in craps. Hop bets as I stated accurately is a much better bet. The house edge on the Any Seven bet is a whopping 16.67%. End of story.

Edited May 25, 2010 by Yo Eleven

[MrCo9]

Oh please. This coming from a so called Vegas dealer? :rolleyes:

 

Almost every casino pays out the Any Seven at 4:1 odds, which is worse than the true odds which are 5:1. This is a terrible bet to make in craps. Hop bets as I stated accurately is a much better bet. The house edge on the Any Seven bet is a whopping 16.67%. End of story.

Beg all you want, what I stated is true. I guess to a low roller such as yourself that extra $1 makes it a MUCH better bet. As you can now afford to supersize your next gourmet meal at McDonald's. For most people that have maore than $30 in their bankroll they would call it a slightly better bet. All the proposition bets payoff less than the true odds, that is why they are called "Sucker's Bets" I see now why you tout them. Edited May 25, 2010 by MrCo9

[Yo Eleven]

Beg all you want, what I stated is true. I guess to a low roller such as yourself that extra $1 makes it a MUCH better bet. As you can now afford to supersize your next gourmet meal at McDonald's. For most people that have maore than $30 in their bankroll they would call it a slightly better bet. All the proposition bets payoff less than the true odds, that is why they are called "Sucker's Bets" I see now why you tout them.

Keep posting your nonsense, it is very entertaining....

And you got hired in Vegas as a dealer? Funny and sad at the same time.

Yes they are all sucker bets. Nor do I tout them. I am comparing the two. But, you are too ignorant to comprehend this.

But who cares anyway, as I said comparing them I would make a hop bet any day over ANY SEVEN. Just because it is a much better bet doesn't make it a good bet.

Edited May 25, 2010 by Yo Eleven

[btyko]

Keep posting your nonsense, it is very entertaining....

And you got hired in Vegas as a dealer? Funny and sad at the same time.

Yes they are all sucker bets. Nor do I tout them. I am comparing the two. But, you are too ignorant to comprehend this.

But who cares anyway, as I said comparing them I would make a hop bet any day over ANY SEVEN. Just because it is a much better bet doesn't make it a good bet.

 

You guys are both funny, arguing over which sucker bet is worse. At lease you agree that they are sucker bets.

 

Yo Eleven, do I know you from the Sea Escape and Sun Cruz craps tables?

 

Bruce

[philv]

Thank you Yo Eleven, your info jives with what I've researched. I asked on the Princess board if they accept hop bets on Princess ships and got only one reply, no. I guess the objective of the hops seven and eleven bet in the dark side strategy I was reading about is to hedge your don't pass bet on the roll out. If you survive the roll out, you lose your 7/11 bets but now the odds are in your favor. If shooter rolls out 7/11, you win $15/$17 and recoup some of your don't pass bet. This strategy make any sense to you?

[Yo Eleven]

You guys are both funny, arguing over which sucker bet is worse. At lease you agree that they are sucker bets.

 

Yo Eleven, do I know you from the Sea Escape and Sun Cruz craps tables?

 

Bruce

I have been on both....

Very possible. Did Sea Escape a lot until they shipped out of here.

Then hit Princess, but they left as well. Supposedly a new ship is coming to town again and they should have craps. I am trying to see if I recognize you in your avatar but too small, but you probably seen me there. Thumbs up!

[MrCo9]

Yes they are all sucker bets. Nor do I tout them. I am comparing the two. Saying one is a MUCH better bet, sure sounds like a tout to me.

 

But who cares anyway, as I said comparing them I would make a hop bet any day over ANY SEVEN. Just because it is a much better bet doesn't make it a good bet.

The point I'm making which you refuse to see is that it is slightly better to hop the 7's as opposed to betting any 7, as opposed to your MUCH better bet. As I said on a $3 bet IF the 7 rolls you get $1 more, big whoop, that won't even get you a smile from the valet when you retrieve the 1974 Pinto you lovingly refer to as "My Porsche" from the valet at your neighborhood IHOP. Additionally, if you choose to hop the 7's you have to bet in $3 increments, what if the person making this bad bet only wants to bets $1?