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28 minutes ago, Covepointcruiser said:

The new guidance makes sense.  We will, however, still have to deal with those lying on their health questionnaires.   A good example is the man who lied and then boarded a United Airlines flight with his wife.   Both knew he probably had COVID and was having trouble breathing.   He died shortly after take off but not before potentially spreading the virus to the 150+ other passengers.

Has this been confirmed now? CDC, up until this morning, had not concluded, saying he “potentially” had Covid. Personally, I wouldn’t trust peoples’ “honesty”. Proof of vaccines a must.

14 hours ago, ipeeinthepool said:

 

Bye

 

Sorry we'll never meet.

No loss there. I doubt if you would be someone worth meeting with that attitude.

16 hours ago, tfred said:

what makes you think that your next , essentially random choice, will be any better ?

 

you are upset that X is changing but all companies do in light of changing market conditions.  If they don't evolve they go away (check with HAL on that strategy)

Did you read my comment? When did I say I was upset that X is changing? Are you suggesting that changing market conditions justify poor customer relations?

33 minutes ago, tfred said:

This scenario happens all the time on airlines the they change FF and loyalty programs.  Everyone sings the praises of the other airlines and departs with great fanfare !

 

Once they get there, they discover, alas, that the grass was not greener.  No one knows them, food wasn't as good, no guest recovery.  Enjoy!

We, too, are leaving Celebrity. It’s not because of the ships, the food, or the service. It’s the “who cares about the customer” attitude at corporate.

10 hours ago, Konasteve said:

Our 5/16 Eclipse cruise was also cancelled.  We were able to transfer our booking with the same pricing and promotions we had to the 7 day southbound on Millennium on 5/21.  Glad they honored our same price as this cruise is much more now

We were on the 5/16 Eclipse but have not been offered that transfer, not that we would take it anyway. You can only make that type of move once, so if Millie cancels, what then?

18 hours ago, mrbocbox said:

We were on the May 15th sailing of Eclipse that got canceled. I called the main number to see about the rebooking option that seems fairly lucrative. Looking at the sailings in July/August. (God knows if we'll be allowed to go by then, but fingers crossed) I asked about the July 25th sailing and was told that I would have to move to an interior to use the rate/promo that I had. (I have a killer fare, perks, and OBC) But, I was like "No way am I giving up my balcony." So, I said let me think about it. I called back using the # from the cancellation email. Got a great person who confirmed that I can keep my deal and move to another sailing, no problem!

 

The funny part of all this is that when I was transferred to the "Redeployment" agent for the actual booking part of the deal, I got the guy that first told me I'd have to go interior or pay the difference. He had been informed of the policy and now was happy to rebook me on July 25th sailing. Same stateroom even. And an additional $100 OBC!

 

So, if you call to rebook, make sure you get your deal!

Here's hoping to sailing in July!

We finally received our notice of cancellation for Eclipse in May, 2020. No L&S available because of the date. Won’t use FCC because it would not even cover the increased cruise fare. Wasn’t offered the cruises through end of September. Sadly, I guess it’s time to look for a different Cruise Line. 

17 hours ago, CHEZMARYLOU said:

I saw eclipse cancelled until early June. Solstice thru May. Millennium still sailing. This was a few hours ago.

Where did you see this? 

I haven’t heard anything on my May 16 Alaska. Can no longer find it on Celebrity’s site, though. However, they do show five other Alaska cruises in May, 2021.  I wish they would be more up front about things.

7 hours ago, mom says said:

Please just STOP. It is very different than the flu. And it has affected the entire world. It has infected 67 MILLION people (and that's just the cases that have been tested). It has killed  more than 1.5 MILLION people.  And there is no sign that it has stated to wain. It has devastated families, disrupted our way of life, forced businesses into bankruptcy, and has severely damaged many nations economies. When was the last time a disease  came anywhere near that level of world disruption?  That is not paranoia. That's the facts, Jack.

You are as guilty as the person you are criticizing. You are ignoring the fact that Covid is a new virus with no vaccine and comparing it to the flu. The flu kills hundreds of thousands yearly WITH a vaccine in place. It, too, Devi states families. Maybe not yours, but others. Covid did not force businesses to close, or make them file bankruptcy, or severely damage economies. People did that. And that IS paranoia. Nomad098 had a very lucid reaction to your post. You should reflect on his comment.

2 hours ago, TeeRick said:

Here is what Dr. Fauci said today on wearing masks after getting the vaccine.  You might get the vaccine but still be in the 5-10% of the population where it is not effective going by the current efficacy rates of 90-95%.  Also it might take a month to become fully protected after vaccination.  In my estimation,  if a lot of vaccine supply becomes available to the general public by April-May, then we might not be realistically protected until mid to late summer 2021. 

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/16/fauci-why-still-need-masks-social-distancing-after-covid-19-vaccine.html

Dr. Fauci also said Americans do not need to wear masks on April 3rd. I’m not saying he was wrong then and I’m not saying he is wrong now. What I am saying is that what we know now might not be what we know once the vaccine(s) are available.

I guess we should all just lock ourselves away until we die. No thank you. 

4 hours ago, nocl said:

here is one from July that uses date from earlier periods (takes time to collect data, analyze and publish) that puts the number at 10X.

 

https://www.statnews.com/2020/07/21/cdc-study-actual-covid-19-cases/

 

will post others when I get the chance.

You should read what your source says before using it. The article claims 10x what Covid reports and is a guess, with you have already criticized. That number would still be about half of the Swine flu. Thanks for proving my point.

37 minutes ago, nocl said:

Actually the April numbers from the first antibody studies indicated the under counting to be 5x to 10X under counting.

 

Current estimates are 3X to 5X.

 

So testing has improved but under counting still exists.

Source

1 minute ago, nocl said:

Your response indicates that you do not even have a clue what R0 means.  R0 is a measure of rate of infection. the number of people an infected person passes e infection on to

 

you also demonstrate a lack of understanding of the numbers you referenced.

 

The H1N1 numbers are total estimate of the number of H1N1 cases. Not confirmed tested cases. The CDC does the estimate using a number of factors.

 

In the case of Covid the data is actual confirmed, diagnosed cases. The current estimate of actual covid cases is up to 5X the confirmed number. The difference is because most asymptomatic cases don't get diagnosed (no reason to test unless they were notified of close contact to a confirmed case), many mild cases do not get tested, some groups such as undocumented immigrants do not get tested because they do not want to attract attention.

And your using data from an article written on April 20th shows that you think no progress has been made since that time. THOSE numbers were estimates made when nothing was known about the virus.

1 hour ago, nocl said:

would you care to provide a link to those numbers. WHO shows an R0 of between 1.2 to 1.6 for H1N1. a study in the BMC Journal of infectious disease calculated it to be 1.46

 

The RO estimate for Covid-19 is currently estimated to be between 2 and 2.5.

CDC.gov.. go to their report on 2009 H1N1 virus.   Then, still on CDC.gov, look at current numbers for covid19.   CDC reported 60.8 million cases of h1n1 from April 12, 2009 to April 12: 2010. Current Covid numbers are 8.7 million. Even adding a few million to make a full year would still show H1N1 being 5 or 6 times greater than Covid.

20 minutes ago, floatn said:

The R naught (rate of infection) for H1N1 is similar to COVID so it was NOT more contagious. Though, admittedly, it's difficult to nail down R naught while in the middle of a pandemic. And, of course, the rate of death from COVID is much higher. What's different about the pandemic of 2008-2009 v.s. this one is the lack of social media then spreading rhetoric and misinformation. There were school closures then and repeated pleas to wear masks and practice good hygiene - we just don't remember.

According to the CDC, H1N1 had a rate of infection 10 times that of Covid19, though Covid 19 had a far greater mortality rate. As for school closures, a limited number of schools closed for days to weeks during that time...nothing to compare to the current closures. You are absolutely correct about the misinformation from social media, but also from the main stream media. This is, unfortunately, what happens when agendas take a back seat to facts.

No, but not because of Covid. Because nothing would be open. Treatment for the virus has greatly improved. It is still highly contagious, but not a death sentence. H1N1 was far more contagious, but not nearly as deadly. Did people cruise then? Of course. 

On 10/14/2020 at 9:35 PM, iamaqt2 said:

I thought I would always be able to say that as well, until I encountered the MSC Divina.  Horrible ship layout, and nothing but problems from trying to board, and continued throughout the whole cruise.  Worst cruise I've ever been on.  

We had the same thoughts about MSC Divina, though we thought their private island was the best we have been on.

7 hours ago, Life Buoy said:

Fox News. On right now!

Fox News reported he was ILL seven hours ago? No, they reported he had Covid.

2 hours ago, Arizona Wildcat said:

Try any news channel.  My TV has a discussion right now on 23 channels.

I would think there is not any news media that has not reported the Trump and his wife have COVID and that Trump is going to the hospital to be monitored 

The OP was 7 hrs ago. At that time, he was not heading to the hospital and only mild symptoms were reported. 

1 hour ago, Homosassa said:

I have a feeling that any White House meetings will not be taking place for at least two weeks.

 

(For those of you outside the USA where the news has not yet been available, Trump and his wife are both positive for Covid 19 and, if one reads the bits of information in various reports, he is ill.)

What reports have said he was ill?

29 minutes ago, Ashland said:

Funny how you just assumed and read into the worst from my original response. Without

understanding what I was saying and the use of my keyword "hopefully".

You know what they say about "assuming"...This was a perfect example !

Like “assuming” my response was harsh? Relax!

9 hours ago, Ashland said:

Eeek...A bit of a harsh response  

Actually, the harsh response was the one you initially offered. Relax.

4 hours ago, Ashland said:

Glad you feel that way....hoping that Alaska and Canada feel that way too.

What makes you think I haven’t considered that? My comment stands.

We are booked for mid-May 2021 on Celebrity. We have no worries at all that we will be in Alaska.