Threedrones

On 8/24/2020 at 9:43 AM, sanger727 said:

Covid

 

 

 

Really though, the thread was doomed from the start since the OP mentioned covid....

But the OP said how many REPLIES could be submitted...so the answer was “one” since the second reply mentioned covid related material.

9 hours ago, K.T.B. said:

 

You most certainly were comparing, otherwise why even mention then flu?  Especially in a thread where the discussion is about a vaccine for Covid-19.

Why mention the flu? Because the OP was talking about vaccines being necessary to cruise. 

I’m sorry you did not comprehend what I posted. I was not comparing Covid to the flu. I was pointing out facts from W.H.O. and the Lancet medical journal about the number of people who die from the flu on a worldwide basis, and the fact that a flu shot is not required to cruise. I NEVER mentioned Covid. YOU DID!  The upper range you cite was actually adjusted recently to 646,000. That is addressed in the previously mentioned sources. Covid 19 is also a new virus. If you want to compare numbers, which apparently you do though I did not, maybe you should wait until established treatments are perfected. Numbers for ANY infectious disease will be highest when it first appears on the scene. YOU are the person who made the comparison. So, please, just stop.

6 hours ago, K.T.B. said:

 

This is NOTHING at all like the flu. And I wish people would stop comparing it to the flu. This year 39,000,000 – 56,000,000 people caught the flu resulting in 24,000 – 62,000 deaths (figures taken directly from CDC's site).  Whereas there has been approximately 5.1 million people who have caught Covid in the US with 164,000+ dying.

 

Comparing Covid-19 with the flu is dangerous and ignorant.  By the way, global deaths from influenza for 2019 were approximated at 389,000 (uncertainty range 294 000-518 000).  In 2017 the upper range was your figure, with the lower range being 290,000, but again it was an approximate.  Worldwide cases usually hit about the 1 billion mark for the flu.  Current Covid cases are about 19.6 million.  A freakin' HUGE difference.

 

So, please, just stop.

9 hours ago, K.T.B. said:

 

Why not?  This is a pandemic.  Keeping people healthy and safe and alive is what matters. 725,000 dead worldwide is no joke.

 

Getting a polio shot is required before going to school, it should be the same with any covid vaccine.

650,000 people die from the common flu every year worldwide. You are not required to show a flu shot before cruising.

14 minutes ago, UnorigionalName said:

 

If this were true the % positive rate would be lower.  It is not.

Explain why the rate would be lower

35 minutes ago, Fouremco said:

A better indicator of what? 

The fatality rate of the virus. If 100 people are tested and only 5 are found to have the virus, but all 5 die, would you say the case fatality rate is 5% or 100%.

6 minutes ago, Fouremco said:

You are looking at the Observed Case - Fatality Ratio instead of the Deaths Per 100,000 Population. Just click on the right-hand button to get the latter.

The case-fatality rate is a better indicator when looking at the fatality rate.

My reaction to the article was “yawn”

Alaska, because there is so much to do in the interior.

Key West, because a cruise doesn’t allow enough time.

Cruising will be back to normal much quicker than most people think. New info coming daily are showing that covid19, while more contagious than flu, is similar in its degree of severity. By this time next year, we will be treating covid19 about the same as h1n1.

13 hours ago, Budget Queen said:

A consideration would be. IF you go to Glacier Bay-  and only want to stay in your cabin.   Then you want a port side cabin. 
 

I’ll also agree it makes no difference which side.  On the Inside Passage viewing is both sides.  

We are booked for our third Alaska trip in May, 2021. Both previous ships visited Glacier Bay and the ships spent equal time for port and starboard facing glacier.

19 hours ago, masterdrago said:

We did the flight with Island Wings. We landed on a small alpine lake known as Lake Manzoni. The views were impossible to describe and better live than photographed. Michelle is an amazing host/owner. Here is a sample of what you will see from the air.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

We also did the Island Wings with Michelle. It was far and away the best excursion we have ever taken. The complete seclusion when landing in the middle of nowhere was fantastic. We are going back to Alaska in May,2021 and are going to book with them again.

10 minutes ago, Threedrones said:

Once again, where in the interview does Fain say ships will sail at reduced capacity? 

OK, I finally saw the tape. Fain does say his “guess” is they might sail at reduced capacity. He never says, or even hints at, 50%. He further admits that things might change as more info comes out with results from opening up the country. My bad.

12 hours ago, ipeeinthepool said:

I guess we'll have to wait and see what reduced capacity means for cruise ships.    Reduced capacity means fewer people for about every other venue on the planet, it seems reasonable that this will also apply to cruise ships.

Once again, where in the interview does Fain say ships will sail at reduced capacity? 

On 5/22/2020 at 3:33 PM, 39august said:

Just watched the Fain Csnbc interview. Most of the answers dodged the questions, understandably as no hard and fast plans have been formulated yet. But he did state that early cruises would be at reduced capacity. The interviewer stated she had been on Oasis, so knew the challenge there. We are booked on a late Nov.-Dec. cruise on Reflection in a suite. This may be among those early cruises. I am wondering how X will limit the number of pax. I believe the ship is fairly well sold at this point.  My guess is that the most expensive cabins will be allowed and the least delayed and given some sort of incentive to more to a different cruise.

Where in the interview does Fain say ships will sail at reduced capacity? 

44 minutes ago, omeinv said:

This thread amazes me. 

 

What Richard Fain said was he expects early cruises to sail at less than full capacity.  He didn't say if this means the overall capacity of the corporation, the capacity of individual lines, or of individual ships.

 

Then posters here have come up with which cruises constitute "early cruises", what numbers this reduction means, how poor the service will be due to reduced staffing, how the cruise lines will reach those numbers, which passengers will be bumped from cruises and how the unfair treatment this creates should be compensated. 

 

Bravo Cruise Critizens!  🙂

 

 

Harris

Denver, CO

I agree that very few of the comments deal with what Fain actually said. He did not say cruises would be reduced capacity as far as I could see. What he said is that the CRUISE LINES would not be at capacity. He mentioned fewer, smaller ships at the start. Fewer, smaller ships does not equate to reduced capacity on a ship.

Just curious...after reading the full transcript, where does Fain say ships will sail at reduced capacity?  I saw where he stated that the cruise line, as a whole, .will not sail at full capacity. But where does he reference individual sailings?

I do not believe that changes when cruises reopen will become permanent. Cruising will return to normal sooner, rather than later. Masks will not be required clothing and service will not be diminished. The only lasting change I foresee might be the buffet, which might have been coming anyway. I think it will still exist, but with the passengers being served rather than serving themselves. Don’t forget, SARS pretty much died out without a vaccine ever being developed. All indications are that we will have a vaccine for covid19. Many countries are already returning to somewhat normal conditions even with never instituting the restrictions we have seen here in the US. Nobody can be forced to cruise. Therefore, the cruise lines will need to attract their clientele with the most desirable product. Studies have shown that human nature will only tolerate restrictions for a few months. That is borne out by the recent protests we are seeing throughout the country. Cruise lines need passengers to exist. They will have little choice but to return to normal operations.

9 hours ago, K12Guy said:

Didja now. Sailed into the Future, didja? 😎

Didn’t get it at first...good one.

We’ve done this twice. The first time was train, adventure class. Not really impressed. Interesting, but the only wildlife in sight was a dog who ran away from its owner. The second time, we rented a car. This was a terrific choice. We went at our pace, stopped where and when we wanted, and saw many moose and black bears. Be warned , though, you might not have any cell service. We would drive again in a heartbeat.

Booked for May 16 out of Vancouver. Have no worries.

I think most people recognize the overblown hype about the caronavirus and are treating it like the flu. No reason to not cruise so no need for the cruise lines to discount.

Absolutely no problem cruising now. 

Not sure, but I get the impression that the OP’s b2b is in North America since there is a stop in California. If so, relax. The caronavirus threat is not a pandemic and many of the fears are overblown for various reasons. At their advanced age, the danger to the OPs is just as great if they caught the flu. SARS, the bird flu, y2k, Ebola were also going to kill us all. Calm down.