Jane110

You misunderstood me.

 

Divide $30,000 by 12 and you get $2500 ea. Maybe haute couture is overstating it, but that ain't cheap. In all the collections there was no value whatever put on the designer's time, only materials. Laura did all that beading herself. When Michael Kors said it looked like $30,000 he was talking about the hand work. And, IMO he as understating the overall value. Even using child labor in a foreign land, those were way expensive dresses.

 

I call them haute couture due to the hand work. Just because Laura didn't get any money for doing all that doesn't change the time invested. These were not by-the-yard dresses. The cost is in the labor, not the materials. Just like most things in this world.

 

 

Yes I understand that Laura did all the handwork herself and so the cost of labor didn't factor in.

But Kors said it looked like she spent $30,000. not $8000. and that was a huge compliment. I mean, don't we all want things that look alot more expensive than they actually are?

So, then I guess I missed the point of your original comment where you said

"Laura's clothes are beautiful, but think about this... Kors said her collection looked like $30,000. That puts her in the haute couture range. And, she isn't innovative -- just plain beautiful."

Even if you're right that it does put her in the haute couture range....what's the problem with that?

Were the instructions to come up with a collection that would sell for "everyday" prices?

Jeffrey's dress - the great green striped one with the zippers would probably retail for somewhere in the $3000. range. So that would make him haute couture too. And I'm sure his red/white one would also sell for a few thousand dollars.

I'm sorry but I'm completely missing the point you were trying to make. What was it?

Lois, Thank you for your help. I do know how to create (if that is the correct word) 1 quote by using the quote button, I just don't know how to do the 2 or 3 quotes. I will practice copying and pasting and see what I can do.

Thanks again for the help.

hmmm....let's see if i can 'splain this....

hit "quote" on the post you want to reply to.

Then you'll have the person's whole quote. Note that the beginning of the quote will show the following code [ quote= persons name] the end will have the [ /quote] ( close up the space between the [ and the next letter when you do it.

then split it up to the sentences you want to use. and put the [ quote=personsname] at the beginning and the [ /quote] at the end of the sentence.

understand?

I think Laura makes the most sensible fashions, which is why NYC doesn't want them,

Huh????? Why would you say that? No one has every said that the women of NYC would not like Laura's fashions. Even the judges Heidi and Nina said they'd wear all her clothes. They love her things.

The "problem" was that they felt she didn't have a wide range. If that's the criteria, then they're right. She did not display a wide range of looks.

All 4 deserve to make it in the fashion world.

I sure they will as will Malan, Vincent and Kayne.

 

 

I thought all the collections looked a lot better on the runway than in the stills. I was particularly impressed with the movement of Jeffry's collection.

Yup, that's why there are runway shows! :)

The judges obviously wanted Michael to go sportswear but he's already designing for the hiphop community in Atlanta. It's his vision, not theirs. He didn't win, but he's strengthened his presence with his base and that's a mighty big base.

Yuppers again. I'm sure he's the star of Atlanta and already creating his successful new business.

Laura's clothes are beautiful, but think about this... Kors said her collection looked like $30,000. That puts her in the haute couture range.

Nope, you got this wrong on two counts.

!. 12 dresses divided by $8000. = $666. per dress. That's not even close to haute couture, that's would be about $1300. - $1500. retail for a "drop dead gorgeous" evening dress. Haute couture would cost over $5000. per dress.

2. An original sample costs WAAAAY more than a piece from production. It's been handmade and don't forget that when you buy fabric by the yard, you get a MUCH better price if you buy 1000 yards of fabric than when you buy 3 yards. Same with bags of beads and sequins.

Now... on to Top Chef. The cousin of one of my closest friends is a competitor -- Frankie (the bull).

Haven't seen the show but good luck to your friend. Hope he wins! A friend of mine is the top chef for Mario Batali and is on Iron Chef with him. I keep getting prmised tickets to the taping but they haven't appeared yet. :mad:

 

I see (I hope) bright futures for all these people, as well as a couple of others from the season. I wish them all well and I hope Jeffrey starts designing clothes that have an edge and look different than what is already out there. I hope to see Lauras beautiful evening gowns and cocktail dresses in magazines. I would love to wear almost anything Uli designs and I hope Michael finds a niche in the sportswear design world.

I agree.

And I think that many of the others will succeed too. Kayne's pageant biz is going through the roof, I'm sure.

Malan had his own fashion show under the tents (no small feat!) and I'm sure he'll be in Neiman Marcus and Barney's. Vincent's line is already slated for Bergdorf's here in NY, so NM will probably get it as well.

Even boring Robert is an excellent designer and I could see a company like Ellen Tracy or Anne Klein hiring him to create some conservative, though elegant, designs for the professional woman.

I didn't see the previous seasons on PR and now that the show's a hit, it'll be interesting how they mix it up for the next time!

 

Speaking of Jeffrey, I'm glad he was not found guilty of getting help, although I thought he was acting and looking guilty and in a comical kind of way now with everything in perspective. But sometimes things are not what they seem.

That's Jeffrey's raison d'etre.

LOL, I think Laura exposing it probably did not soften the judges towards her.

Were the judges made aware of the situation or only the producers? Personally, I don't think the issues should be brought to the attention of the judges unless it was found that he was indeed cheating.

In any case, I think that throughout the whole show Laura has been painted as a women who didn't need the money to get her business started (not true) and that, IMHO, was not right. I think that the cards were stacked against her because of that.

 

I find I really like Uli's spirit and good heart. I had thought her designs predictable but she had a remarkable collection comparatively.

Totally agree.

Her designs are gorgeous and I think she's an excellent role model. A good blend of independant designer with a strong point of view yet I could also see her doing a great collection for Macy's. Besides, she'd look so adorable in the car commericals! LOL!!!

I honestly thought Uli’s Collection was best. It was fresh, expressive and the type of clothes the average woman would want and would actually wear.

I'll agree with you that Uli's collection was incredible - fresh and expressive, as you say.

However, any collection that's for the "average woman" is not a criteria for high fashion. Look on your local streets, at the mall, etc, sadly the "average woman" has a pretty bad sense of fashion.

I was not wowed by Michael's Collection. My gut first reaction to him when he came out was; you’re a designer, why didn’t you design something for yourself to wear. (I know other designers did not dress the part either but for some reason I was disappointed in his look, too “off the street” for the Finale and him IMHO, to me.)

Michael's was most disappointing. I think his problem is his age. He's still naive and finding his way and creates some really bad stuff along with his fabulous things. So, I never thought he deserved to be the winner. I think he has incredible potential. I'm sure he'll be offered great design jobs at major companies and within the next 10 years I think he has the potential to be a major force in the fashion industry. He's got a great personality and alot of talent. It just needs some years of honing under the guidance of a great design house.

I think Laura definitely has the edge on being sure she looks the part at each junction. Sorta like when I go to get my hair done, I notice if my hairdresser herself has her hair “hitting and holdin!” Black folks lingo ya’ll. -LOL

Yes, she definitely has a consistant message and strong POV and I hope she gets a backer. She has a great future as an eveningwear designer. Carmen Marc Valvo watch out, your competition has arrived!

Speaking of that…. Why was the “BLACK” contestant the first to be cut and slashed in the Finale! Ok, I’m kidding, well sorta. Think what you want.

Huh? You see a race issue here? I think you're creating something that absolutely didn't exist.

Laura’s collection I think is too much her and not enough of main stream America and what the average woman would want to wear. I mean as elegant as her clothes are, they are knotches above what most women would feel comfortable in wearing, maybe even on Formal Night on a cruise (hehehe). But definitely what the “Vogue,” Parisian type would wear.

Well, again it's not about what the "average" woman would wear. Though if you stay with that thought, her designs are more "wearable" by the average woman that Jeffery's are. And Michaels winning outfit earlier in the season - the hot pants and halter top - wow'ed everyone. But again, will never be seen on the "average woman".

Honestly, of all the finalists, I think Laura's clothes were the most easily wearable by the "average woman" and would fit a wider range of sizes & body types than the designs of the other finalists.

This is MY OPINION, so please don’t bother to personally attack it or dissect it.

Now you tell me!:D

Well seriously, I certainly didn't attack, but posting a long opinion on a public opinion board and then telling people not to comment is not how forums work. ;)

My money is also on Jeffrey and not just because I think he is the most talented.

 

The past two winners have not really done anything. Jay turned the money down so he could design under his own terms and I think just brought his first collection since Project Runway to Olympus Fashion Week. That was an embarrassment for PR.

 

Chloe, season two winner, took her winnings and went back to Texas. She even said she probably wouldn't change much and didn't want to get into the trenches that are Seventh Avenue. I don't think the judges actually believed her but she was true to her word. Another embarrassment for PR.

 

Jeffrey already has a fairly successful design business and the win on Project Runway could very easily send him into the big time. He is the most likely for that to happen to.

 

If that did happen, Project Runway would have serious credibility as being able to produce the "Next Great American Designer" as they advertise they are doing.

 

I think a win by Jeffrey would position him for mass market.

 

Any opinions about my theory? Curt? Jane?

I'm not voting for winner personally because I think that any of the 4 could be chosen and I think that the produceres of PR might be a little more into the "shock and awe" of the audience. So they may just choose the person they feel will create the most "buzz" for the show. We all know the buzz - Jeffrey's personality, Uli's prints, Laura's not "young" enough and Michael can come up with some real clunkers along with his winners.

But as to your thoughts about why Jeffrey would win. Hmmm???? I think your theory about the past winners is right, but I don't know if Jeffrey's the one to fit the bill. Would he move his family to NYC? Can he afford it even if he wanted to? How would he do working for the Macy's Corp making private label clothing for the Macy's customer? (I could see the fights between him and Macy's management! LOL!).

So, in that aspect, the other three are better candidates. They would all cooperate w/ the Macy's management team. Michael and Uli could move here for a year or so and since they're single, it isn't such a stress. Laura already lives here, so no problem there.

So I guess my question is about the rules themselves..... can the winner take the $100,000. prize money to start their own business and skip the internship with Macy's?

Curt, do you happen to know the answer to this????

BTW, I think the funniest prize is the car. What would any of them do with a car in NYC....besides pay $400. a month to park it in a garage! LOL!!!!

Jane

BlueHerons,

Cool site!

Thanks!

Curt,

Thank you so much for posting Malan's photos!!! Wonderful stuff!

I always liked his designs alot and this show was great. There's alot there for retailers to buy and alot of interesting things for the magazines to editorialize with.

Note to all............

The Runway show is NOT EXACTLY what you'll see in the stores. First of all, stores pick and choose which ones they want. Then hemlines are lowered, necklines are raised and see through things might be lined.

So don't take Runway looks and think the same thing is going to be in the stores, it's not! Designs are modified so they can be worn in public.

LOL Jane!

 

The previous winner is Jay McCarroll and his crazy outspokenness and true talent are the reasons I cheered for him to win season one over the pompous Kara Saun and heinous Wendy Pepper.

 

I agree I thought the reunion show was a waste of time.

 

The bit on Jeffrey farting? Please.

 

My opinion on the Jeffrey 'scandal' with Angela's mother is that she was a whiney PIA and his nerves were stressed to breaking point. She didn't bother telling him she did not like his dress until they only had four hours left and by that time he could not do anything about it.

 

I did laugh when she asked the judges if they would have liked her Dog outfit if her story had been better. Classic example of Angela being delusional.

 

I didn't think Vincent sounded that crazy.

 

Being that the entire season of Project Runway was shot in 32 days, I'd be a little short fused also and a ruined shirt could possibly set me off.

 

Malan's laugh is evil. I'd love to know what he's doing and would have liked to have seen some of his show.

 

I'd also like to know how his gown being worn by Miss USA on the Miss Universe Pageant has helped Kanye's business. He'll probably end up being the most successful Project Runway contestant moneywise ever.

 

I love Tim Gunn.

I agree with you. (except about prior seasons because I never saw them).

Yes, the farting episode was really high school and the other low brow moment was Tim Gunn's "big words" piece. Oh Pulleeeze.....if the words are too difficult for someone, then let them use a dictionary. Let's encourage people to aspire upwards and not ask an educator to pander to ignorance.

They made a big deal over words like "mitigate" which anyone w/ a high school diploma should know.

These two sequences really lowered the bar, IMO.

I didn't realize that PR was shot in 32 days. Wow! Now I understand even more how nerves fray. And Vincent's laundry episode wasn't that over the top. He buys expensive shirts and asked that they not be washed. A simple request. The Production Asst. could care less about his job. Perhaps he felt that that his useless shrug might mitigate his incompetence. ;)

To those of you who missed it due to sleep or work schedules and will now look for reruns of it........ my advice is don't bother.

I thought the show was a total bore. A snore. Bringing up fairly recent incidents which put people on the spot is ridiculous. How would you expect Keith to react? What's he going to say, "I broke the rules and got caught". Seriously...who cares?

I'm sure all the contestants get a check at the end of the show if they fulfill their contractual agreement and they had to appear last night if they wanted to get paid.

Additionally, 4 contestants were still in the running and hoping to win so they had to be guarded in what they said. It's only after a contest is over than a contestant might feel free to truly express themselves.

I thought the reunion show was going to talk about what the "auffed" contestants have now gone onto. Whether they're working as designers for big companies or starting their own lines....whatever. They covered it with one quick sentence about how many are now successful and then spent the show rehashing incidents like Jeffrey with Angela's mother, Vincent yelling about laundry.

I would much rather have heard about Milan's new line, how Kayne's pageant business is, if Robert got a job, what Angela is doing, etc.

If they wanted a little "behind the scenes", then why not talk to Angela about he she felt getting thrown off the show in Paris. Did they fly her home First Class? Would they let her change her return ticket home if she wanted to stay in Paris on her own for a few days?

The most interesting comment, IMO, was a prior winner who said that Michael would be the winner because he's a black man. First winner was a white man, second winner was an asian woman, so now it's time for Michael.

So to quote Monty Python: "What a complete and utter waste of time".

What's on next weeks schedule? If it's more of the same dribble, I'll know not to bother tuning in.

Jane, go run and look on your lunch hour!:D I'd LOVE to hear your opinion on the dresses!

What's a lunch hour? :D

Okay, I'll try and get there this week....but just for you dahlink.... I really HATE getting anywhere near Macy's!

Bernadette,

Any idea how long the dresses will be in Macy's windows?

I hate that area and generally try to avoid it, but I'd love to see the dresses up close.

Which windows.....Broadway, 7th Ave or along 34th Street?

Thanks,

Jane

Hate me if you will, but being in NYC, all that is in is Fashion week. The 3 winners are suppose to present a show at Olympus fashion week, and that came and went already. Want some dirt. I dont want to spoil it for all but i say its going to be down to 2 of them to win. The other is a dump of a show. Oh well, what the hell, here is goes, dont read it if you want to watch it

 

 

All 4 left will go to the Olympus fashion week and present there own line. I have seen all 4 shows by each player, and lets just say that it will be down to 2 of them. I am saying, Jefferey and Uli, and as a 3rd in i would say Laura. Thats all i am saying.

Jazo,

Appreciate your not wanting to spill the beans, but we all know that 4 have shown at Olympus Fashion Week - it was already televised - and there garments have been posted by Curt.

They showed a "marathon" of last season all day...

So it looks like...

Next week will be final 4 episode.

Week after will be reunion episode (that's going to be a big mess):o .

Week after will be Finale Part 1. (Tim Gunn visiting the final 3 as they make their designs in their hometowns)

Week after will be Finale Part 2. (Runway Show and winner).

CJW

Thanks for the update.

Doesn't make me happy, but appreciate knowing what they're up to.

I picked Uli as the winner from the start and DH agreed. I think she has the most potential to sell to a wide audience as well as to go on to license her name for accessories.

Curt, you've mentioned Laura's wealth a couple of times. Did she make alot of money as an architect or is her husband or family wealthy? (just curious)

I'm absolutely certain that both Laura and Michael will get backers to help them create their own lines. Honestly, the $100,000. prize money isn't nearly enough start-up money. There's rent for the showroom and the workroom (often in two different locations), furniture and design for those places, patternmakers, sample makers, legal fee's to set up names/trademarks, salaries for sales, marketing people and a publicist. Stationary, hangtags, finding production/contractors. Shipping costs. Company insurance. Oh and of course they may need to buy some fabric. <g> ALL that before you even can show your first garment. Then even a small fashion show/press party can cost alot of money. I think you need closer to $250,000. to just squeak by.

So, IMHO, even the person who wins still has to look for backers, though I know they also get a job inhouse with a company like MAcy's beforehand, so that would get them well connected. The $100,000. is really going to be used to set them up living in NYC if they don't already do so.

Just my opinion..........

In Chelsea, while doing "research" for CJW's friends' cheap eats. :)

 

She's still pregnant. I'm not great at guessing how far along anyone is but she is a lot bigger now than she is on the show. Maybe in her 3rd trimester? She looks great and has a wonderful calm style about her.

I lived in Chelsea most of my adult life and meeting a friend there tomorrow for lunch.....all in the name of research for Curt, of course!

Thanks for the update on Laura.

Laura's Collection Part 3

I think I got this one in the exact runway order...

CJW:D

PS Now of all of these designer's outfits (Michael's, Uli's, Jeffrey's, Laura's), which specific ones would you ladies wear on a cruise, and for what evenings?

I'd wear these two from Laura.

I like Uli's alot but I don't think that the floaty, print is "my" look.

Jane

The finale isn't until October 18th so you still have a month to go.

Really? Oy!

Sheesh are they stretching it out or what??????????

I saw Laura on the street (actually at a cross light) this afternoon. She was walking with her kids, who are absolutely adorable and well-mannered. I wished her best of luck and that all of my friends and I love her designs and hope she wins. She couldn't have been more gracious as she smiled and thanked me.

 

She looked wonderful and was impeccably dressed- simple black jacket and black sheath.

What part of the city did you see her in?

Is she still pregnant or did she have the baby? (I have no idea what the timeline of the show is, so although I can count to 9, I don't know when the show was filmed)

I just LOVE Tim Gunn! What a calming presence he is. BTW, he did the Red Carpet for one of the networks for the Emmy's with Billy Bush.

and I didn't even know that. guess that's why i'm in marketing! :)

The show would have a totally different vibe without Tim Gunn.

absolutely!

CJW... hey there!Thanks for taking the time to post all the pics, it really does give you an overview.

 

I thought I would add my thought here..

 

 

Heidi Klum.... "Bee-atch"

I am sorry, I know I read constantly what a nice person she is... I do not buy it at all.

A truly "nice " person could not talk down to, humiliate and rip people the way she does... just to make them kiss her, and then collect a paycheck for it.

I believe she also produces the show... in the credits I saw it.

Nope. I do not like her at all.

I agree on some of your points. I don't mind the honest criticism of the designs that she or the other judges give. But I do hate her "let them eat cake" attitude - like when she told them that they've all had it so easy so far and the next challenge was finally going to be a difficult one. Puleeze.....her beauty has given her a life of wealth, ease and privilege while the hopeful contestants have put their lives on the line for this. Don't tell how easy it's been for them. That's just so condescending.

And I've also mentioned before about the kissing goodbye. Who the heck wants to have to kiss the person that just fired you? Geez!!

Laura, I give her major kahunas and kudos!!

Switching careers like that, five boys... and NOW pregnantagain?

Good LORDY!

I agree.

I also find it interesting that many of the people here criticize her for not varying her look or not making young-enough looks. Then in other posts they complain that all the things in the store are only sleeveless, for the very young and too wild looking.

I like her styles alot and I like when a designer has a signature look because they build on that signature. If Uli gets her own line (I'm sure she will) and you went to the store to buy one of her dresses, wouldn't people be disappointed if she made a grey pinstriped suit?

Yes of course designers expand - Yves St. Laurent had/tons of looks - but his signature will always be the black smoking jacket, womens' tuxedo and other tailored looks.

Funny, I think I may be the only one who liked this dress?

 

I liked the colors and layers....Not crazy about the bodice though.

I too loved this dress. I'd buy it in a NY minute. And I liked the bodice.

The judges agreed with you, they liked the colors and layers, they didn't like the bodice.

Finally, Tim Gunn...

What can I say other than he makes the show and I look forward to him.

Another "good egg".

Oh boy has this show made him a celebrity!!!! NO ONE doesn't love him!

Ding Ding Ding....I smell a Red Carpet guest appearance!!! I smell book deal! I smell guest editor columns in the big magazines!

Well, back to the daily grind.... I am cleaning house myself!!

Oh puleeze June Cleaver - you're probably doing it in high heels and sequins!

Note to Curt - Thanks so much for uploading the images so we could see everyone's collection. That was great.

Blue Herons,

No, didn't make it. I ran into a friend who runs the "7th on 6th" shows and completely forgot that she worked there....AARRGH! I asked her the day before the show and she looked at me like I was crazy. She said if I had given her a weeks notice....... (oh well). I went to another few shows and it's so crazy inside the tents that it's just fine I didn't make it.

I was thrilled that Laura won. Her dress was lovely and showed that she can do other looks. Micheal's dress was a close second - and not as great as Laura's, so I agree with the judges.

Jeffrey's was just horrible. Cheap looking and not the "tongue 'n cheek" he was aiming for. The models legs looked like sausages, the dress silhouette was simply ugly - their was nothing good about it.

I guess I'm the only one that liked Vincent's dress. I liked it alot. The problem was that his fit model had an accident so he had to use a larger model at the last minute so it was waaay too short and bursting at the seams. Also, the fabric guy gave him too much so he was stuck making an ugly cape that he did not care to make. But the dress itself, IMHO was very pretty. If he had time to remake it in the right size, it would have worked.

I thought Kayne's dress looked like it came from a cheap store and not up to his skill level. Or perhaps he simply can't make a cocktail dress?

I'm not down on Uli and her "one look" or on Laura's either. Both are masters of what they do. Many many designers have "signatures". All Mary McFadden gowns have Fortuny pleats and when Carolina Herrera started out 20 years ago, all her dress sleeves had a "dimpled shoulder". Vera Wang has only clean lines and I can't ever remember seeing her do a print or a ruffle. And a Chanel suit is recognizable by just about everyone who knows even just a little about fashion.

Angela is simply not a clothing designer. She's a crafts person and should stick to crafty "right from the farm" looks.

From a guy perspective...

I don't get this whole "trying on purses" thing...

I can tell you what is good for you clothing-wise (fit, color, fashion)...

What shoes work and look good on your feet...

What accessories look good with your coloring and style personality...

Purses?!?!

I don't get it!

Woman to Curt Jerome Wild: "Does this purse "fit" or "look good on me"?

Curt Jerome Wild: "Uhmm, are you able to put your arm into the strap? Can you hang it comfortably on your shoulder?

Then as far as I'm concerned it "fits"...

Woman, I'm not ever looking at your purse!

Just saying...

CJW:confused: :o :D

Okay dahlink, here goes....just a few tips....

SOME women don't give a hoot about handbags and simply view it as a utilitarian object. If it holds what they need to carry, then it's fine and generally only replaced when it falls apart. No right or wrong about that, but for the purposes of this discussion, I'm leaving this group out because there's simply nothing to discuss.

(Honestly, I was a member of this group for many, many years - I hated handbags and simply owned a black one for winter and a tan one for summer, which hardly got used. (The ones I had were very good quality, but were boringly classic in style) I used to keep money, keys, credit cards and lipstick in my pants and jacket pockets and that's all. Then in the mid 90's - pants got slimmer, pockets eliminated, jackets were replaced by twin sweater sets and I got a cell phone. I suddenly had no place for my "stuff" and had to pay attention to bags.)

Some women buy handbags because......

1. it enhances the whole look of the outfit and "ties it all together" either by color or texture.

When putting an outfit together, the best way to really see it is to lay the pieces on the floor. If you do that and then place a few handbag choices with it, you'll really see how a bag can enhance or detract from an outfit.

2. it can enhance or detract from someone's figure. There are figure "do's and don'ts" when it comes to buying the right bag for a woman's body shape. It's about balance and proportion. I'm 5'6", sz 6 but big in the butt. If a bag hangs too low on me, it can make me look wider in the hips. The bucket shaped bag, with a wide flat bottom & gathered top edge gives me an overall unflattering appearance. A friend of mine has gained alot of weight in the past two years and has gone from about a size 12 to about a size 20, can no longer carry the little dainty purses she loves - they look silly on her. I've seen size 24 ladies on cruises wearing formal gowns and carrying a teeny tiny evening purses that look liked they were borrowed from someone who's smaller than a size 12. It only accentuates their size and gives than an awkward "I'm uncomfortable in my own skin" appearance.

I can wear an east-west style bag that hangs on my shoulder and is parallel to my bustline because I'm not overly endowed, but a woman with large breasts can't because it's just too much bulk for that area of her body.

A short woman who's a size 2, can't wear those hugely oversized handbags, they make her look like she's carrying around a laundry bag - no matter how pretty the bag is, it looks silly.

3. it makes the statement who you are. A women's handbag speaks for her in the same way that a man's tie, watch or shoes speak about him. I'll quit now as it's always an explosive topic on this board. :)

Then of course, women have personal preferences in how their bags should function - cell phone slot on outside, inside? Zip top or snap flap? Hard frame, soft frame??etc etc etc

I could write tomes more, but will refrain fearing putting all to sleep. But just wanted to give you a little insight in hopes you'll "get it" a little more.

I'm off to the Reem Acra fashion show. Her things are soooo beautiful. Saw Gottex swimwear on Friday - gorgeous as always.

Jane