My wife Mary and I are Elite Plus on Celebrity and 3 star on Hal and have never cruised on an E class ship. Our problem with the E is the veranda and Retreat suites do not look appealing and the ships carry to many passengers. For my 80th we were on the Solstice last Feb., we got a good deal and splurged on a Royal suite. The room de-core was dated, lots of dust under the sofa, did not have enough electrical and USB outlets, old worn cover on the large deck for two chair, and deck hot tub was old with rust and chips. Believe the ships delay for its revolution is most likely the cause for my comments. The Retreat lounge was quiet but we have had better bartender service and complementary snacks in the Hal Pinnacle bar. The Retreat lounge is the former Michaels Club and to us needs to be Revolutionized. The hostess in the lounge was outstanding and seemed to be able to do more things to accommodate Retreat guests than Hals Neptune lounge person. The Hal Neptune lounge has a limited self-service bar but has great non-alcohol drinks, and delicious snacks that change throughout the day. We really liked the Luminae, meals and service. We ate dinner in two specialty restaurants and decided the Luminae was better. We have a Vista suite on 25 Nov on the Koningsdam with Club Orange and Hal basic amenity package. First Pinnacle class ship for us and we look forward to comparing it to the S class on X. Comments about the number of people in the CO dining are concerning to us as we are hoping that the CO will bring us quiet dining like we experienced in Laminae. We dine after 7:00 and have never had a noise issue in Hal or X MDRs. thus, we hope to find the same in CO. Agree with all the smoking comments and we may find that a deal breaker for anymore Hal cruises. We have not noticed any smoke in our Hal or X cruises to date. We have no preference on the Millenium class X ships versus the Hal non-Pinnacle ships. BTW our first X cruise was their first ship The Meridian on 10/091994--yikes!!