Craps Wannabe Needs Help

Hi all

We will be on the NCL Star for 13 days starting 11/23. : ) I would like to play some craps without looking like an idiot or losing too much money. I don’t want to feel overwhelmed. I need some specific help. I know people think I’m an*l, but I like everything spelled out. I am the kind of person who follows a recipe exactly with NO tasting along the way, no adding a little more or a little less. Also, blackjack is what I always play and I use my cheat sheet and NEVER go with instincts, always play the statistics.

So, here’s what I need from you wonderful people. I read all of the replies, watched youtube, played on bodog and wizard, but I need someone to tell me point blank step by step . We’ll say I’m betting $6 each bet. (I think it has something to do with the payout on 6’s and 8’s). I know to place $6 on pass line, then probably $12 on place odds (?). When do I place come bets, and I don’t see anything on bodog that says come odds or anything like that. After the point from the come bet, do I bet another come bet? I want advice that is more the conservative bets and no fancy off-the-wall odds bet. If anyone has the time, would you please recommend step-by-step which bets to make, in what order, and for how much on each bet if I am betting probably the minimum (if its $5 or $6). I promise to let you know how I did upon our return .

You need to get a book on Craps----bookstores have them...and then, take a lesson! Most casinos offer "free" Craps lessons...they WANT you to think you know what you're doing, so you'll play with real money!

Come bets are for AFTER the point has been established, if I remember correctly....Place bets are for BEFORE the point has been made...

Get a "how to" book!

Hi all

We will be on the NCL Star for 13 days starting 11/23. : ) I would like to play some craps without looking like an idiot or losing too much money. I don’t want to feel overwhelmed. I need some specific help. I know people think I’m an*l, but I like everything spelled out. I am the kind of person who follows a recipe exactly with NO tasting along the way, no adding a little more or a little less. Also, blackjack is what I always play and I use my cheat sheet and NEVER go with instincts, always play the statistics.

So, here’s what I need from you wonderful people. I read all of the replies, watched youtube, played on bodog and wizard, but I need someone to tell me point blank step by step . We’ll say I’m betting $6 each bet. (I think it has something to do with the payout on 6’s and 8’s). I know to place $6 on pass line, then probably $12 on place odds (?). When do I place come bets, and I don’t see anything on bodog that says come odds or anything like that. After the point from the come bet, do I bet another come bet? I want advice that is more the conservative bets and no fancy off-the-wall odds bet. If anyone has the time, would you please recommend step-by-step which bets to make, in what order, and for how much on each bet if I am betting probably the minimum (if its $5 or $6). I promise to let you know how I did upon our return .

for a simple answer you are asking a complex question... lets start from 0

0 - the puck or botton is "off" there is no point.

1. but $5 on Pass or don't pass (for the rest of the lesson lets just play "right" and say pass)

2. dice rolled. Win - keep bet, lose - replace bet, either way go to 0. If a point is made go to step 3.

3a. Take odds - the best bet in any casino. take as much as the casino will let you. On a cruise normally 1x or 2x the pass line bet.

3b. If you have the bankroll and/or want more action- options

i) place numbers (6/8 for $6, any other number for $5)

ii) put $5 on "come"

OR do both 3b i) and 3b ii)

4. roll dice. for 3a) hit point win, hit 7 lose, hit any other number, roll again. For 3b i) hit your point, win, go back to step 0. Hit place bet numberes, win on them and keep rolling, hit 7... lose everything on table. for 3b ii) hit your point, win on your pass and odds, come bet goes to that number, put down odds and tell dealer (odds on the Number), if you hit 7, lose pass and odds, but win on "come", hit 2,3, or 12, keep pass and odds, but lose "come", hit any other number, keep pass and odds, come bet goes to that number and go to step 3a for the come bet. Roll again.

as simple as I can make it without having the table and deals in front of us!!!

to answer your ? about how to place odds on a come, just tell the dealers you want odds and they will put the odds down for you.

My advice would be to watch the craps table for time when there is no one there. Then ask the dealer (*not sure if this is the right title) to teach you. I did this on the Radiance a couple of years ago. They were very patient with me and I had a lot of fun. I played almost every night after that. A year later I went on the Navigator and the craps dealer* was the same that taught me on the Radiance he even remembered me! I am not an expert craps player but I do enjoy it can't wait to get back on the Radiance in 31 days to play again!!

Lisa and Neb: THANK YOU SO MUCH. The time you spent is very much appreciated. I just couldn't get your step #4 straight in my head. I couldn't figure out on bodog how to place odds on a come bet now its obvious that its because it is done by the dealer). Once your come bet goes to a number and you place odds on it, do you place another come bet or are we getting into a lot of bets and money on the table?

RondaAnn: I will go to the free lessons they offer in the casino. I will not hesitate to ask questions.

CB: I have read a lot but I just couldn't picture the placement of bets to make my money last.;)

Lisa and Neb: THANK YOU SO MUCH. The time you spent is very much appreciated. I just couldn't get your step #4 straight in my head. I couldn't figure out on bodog how to place odds on a come bet now its obvious that its because it is done by the dealer). Once your come bet goes to a number and you place odds on it, do you place another come bet or are we getting into a lot of bets and money on the table?

Yes... after you set a point, and then hit another point with your come you can bet come again and again and again. You will need a bank roll to do this though, most books and players say play a pass and 2 comes and that is all. If you are on a hot table on the other hand, what I will do is place the 5,6,8,9 (unless one is the point) and then bet come. When a # is rolled my place bet + winnings become the odds and put down a new come and repeat again. If the come bet hits, it is called off and on (basically they pay you your win and leave your bet up, rather then moving the chips. I do this till I have all the numbers covered with come and odds bets, then I place another bet in come and no matter what is rolled (other then a 7) I am a winner and my bet stays up. This also means I have lots of $$$ on the talbe, 1/2 mine and 1/2 the houses. I need to hit all #'s twice to brake even. Any other questions?

Remember, the only bets you place on a craps table are PAss/don't pass, Come, don't Come, and field. All other bets are you put the money on the table and announce your bet, and then make sure the dealer hears and "books" the bet. He may not set it up, but if he says "That's a bet" or something like that then it is good. this is why you do not put odds on a come, put the $$$ on the table and tell the dealer "$10 odds on the 5." Always remember, you need to make sure all your bets are where you want them. Keep track of your money. Verbal bets that the dealer hears are binding.

Hi all

HHHHHEEEEELLLLLLLLLLOOOOO rpbcouple: Some of the explations were good, however, they left something out. First, get a good book on craps. The most famous gambling author is a gentleman named Frank Scoblete. Beating the Craps Out of the Casinos is the best selling book on playing craps. Frank Scoblete wrote it. Getting a lesson isn't a bad idea either. I first started playing in Las Vegas. I had a lesson at the Holiday Inn Hotel and Casino which is now where Harrah's is.

You walk up to a table and cash in. Drop cash on the table in front of you and the dealer will take it and give you casino chips. Get $10 in singles. They will either be white or blue chips. On NCL I think they are white.

Then when you are ready to make your bet make sure it is a come out roll. Place a $5 (red) chip on the table between the lines and it will say, Pass Line. If a seven or eleven is rolled you win. If a 2,3,12 is rolled you lose. Those losing numbers are called craps. If a 4,5,6,8,9,10 are rolled the disc gets turned over to the white side and the point is whatever number was rolled. Now you can make a bet that offers no advantage to the house. Read it again if you wish it can be hard to believe. It is called an odds bet. Depending on the rules of the casino you will have single, double, or 3x odds. Could be more. Celebrity has 3-4-5x odds. I think NCL has single odds unless they changed their policy.

On a $5 Pass Line bet that means you could have $5 odds except for the numbers 5 and 9. Then you have to have $6 odds for a correct payout. If that number gets rolled again, then you and anyone who bet the Pass Line wins. If the shooter rolls 7 then all Pass Line bettors lose.

You should play only the Pass Line for a few rollers and follow the game. Then if you want more action you could place a Come Bet. The Come Bet is the most misunderstood bet. It can only be made after a point is established. It acts like a Pass Line Bet. If the Point is six and you put your odds up then decide to make a Come bet and the next roll is a seven then you lose your Pass Line bet and Odds bet. You win your Come bet. Now the point is six and the shooter rolls a 2,3,12 he just rolled craps. Nothing happens to your Pass Line Bet and your Come bet loses. If the shooter rolls a 4,5,6,8,9,10 then your Come bet gets moved to the number just rolled. Take your odds and drop them down on the table and in an audible mumble say, "odds." Now you should play with one Pass Line bet and one Come bet. Follow the bets and keep track.

After you start winning some money then play a Pass Line bet and two Come bets. Remember to take odds on your Pass Line and Come bets. Then after you win some more money and get more experience playing go to three numbers. One Pass Line and two Come bets.

Now if you get a hot shooter and you get four or five numbers working for you, you have active bets, and your bets continue to hit and you are winning more money then start to raise your bets. $10 Pass Line/Come bets. Don't forget to put odds on your Pass Line/Come bets.

When a shooter then sevens out you go back to making $5 bets on the Pass Line and Come areas. When numbers start winning then expand to more numbers and if the shooter continues to hit numbers then increase your bets.

Good luck to you and when you come back let us know how you did.

 

 

Hi all

We will be on the NCL Star for 13 days starting 11/23. : ) I would like to play some craps without looking like an idiot or losing too much money. I don’t want to feel overwhelmed. I need some specific help. I know people think I’m an*l, but I like everything spelled out. I am the kind of person who follows a recipe exactly with NO tasting along the way, no adding a little more or a little less. Also, blackjack is what I always play and I use my cheat sheet and NEVER go with instincts, always play the statistics.

So, here’s what I need from you wonderful people. I read all of the replies, watched youtube, played on bodog and wizard, but I need someone to tell me point blank step by step . We’ll say I’m betting $6 each bet. (I think it has something to do with the payout on 6’s and 8’s). I know to place $6 on pass line, then probably $12 on place odds (?). When do I place come bets, and I don’t see anything on bodog that says come odds or anything like that. After the point from the come bet, do I bet another come bet? I want advice that is more the conservative bets and no fancy off-the-wall odds bet. If anyone has the time, would you please recommend step-by-step which bets to make, in what order, and for how much on each bet if I am betting probably the minimum (if its $5 or $6). I promise to let you know how I did upon our return .

You are getting WAY too over your head for a beginner. Don't involve yourself with come bets until you mastered the simple things of the game.

STICK with pass line and pass line odds. PERIOD.

Come betting will come in time. Just my 2 cents.

You are getting WAY too over your head for a beginner. Don't involve yourself with come bets until you mastered the simple things of the game.

 

STICK with pass line and pass line odds. PERIOD.

 

Come betting will come in time. Just my 2 cents.

The only reason i went this far was because it was asked for. They said the have practiced online, but as there is no dealer to make a verbal bet, it is sometimes had to know how to place his bet online, and it is impossible to know it is a verbal bet at the casino.

Yo... you are correct, start with pass or don't!!!

Lisa and Neb: The info you gave is exactly what I was looking for. :D

We have spent many hours in casinos, have watched craps on and off, but never wanted to bet without knowing what I am doing. Blackjack is great but just not invigorating.

Yo: It is a 13-day cruise with six sea days (and 13 sea nights in the casino). Hopefully, I will be able to move on beyond Pass and Pass line odds. Knowing I will get somewhat sucked up into the atmosphere and adrenaline, I wanted to know what the next step is.

Lisa and Neb: The info you gave is exactly what I was looking for. :D

We have spent many hours in casinos, have watched craps on and off, but never wanted to bet without knowing what I am doing. Blackjack is great but just not invigorating.

 

Yo: It is a 13-day cruise with six sea days (and 13 sea nights in the casino). Hopefully, I will be able to move on beyond Pass and Pass line odds. Knowing I will get somewhat sucked up into the atmosphere and adrenaline, I wanted to know what the next step is.

Well the great news will be the fact you are on NCL. I HEARD that their casinos are like "real" casinos as they are managed by a casino company. Unlike other cruise lines. For example, RCCL, casino sucks. Especially craps where they offer single odds. Odds are the best bet on the table but they limit how much you put down because they are there to rip off their players. Makes the house edge increase.

I will see about writing a easy lesson on Come Bets for a beginner. It is actually simple but looks complex because you will have so many bets on the table. The most important question you need to answer for me is how much is your bankroll gonna be for playing craps?

Yo: I will start cringing upon approaching losing $200 and will stop all together for the day at losing $250 at the craps table. Is this just so unreasonable that I should stick to BJ? I am not sure what is the norm if there is a norm. My son plays craps whenever he has been on a cruise with us and I have seen him down about $500 after an hour or two and up $800 the next day. I am not sure if craps swing that way. He's an mpulsive bettor so I wouldn't ask him for advice.

In Blackjack, I have never been down more than $100 in any given day but then I only play $10 hands (and start having palpitations if I have to split and split again or double down). Sure, everyone at the table says its time to have some fun but its my $50 or more hand sitting out there!

Any help is appreciated.

Yo: I will start cringing upon approaching losing $200 and will stop all together for the day at losing $250 at the craps table. Is this just so unreasonable that I should stick to BJ? I am not sure what is the norm if there is a norm. My son plays craps whenever he has been on a cruise with us and I have seen him down about $500 after an hour or two and up $800 the next day. I am not sure if craps swing that way. He's an mpulsive bettor so I wouldn't ask him for advice.

 

In Blackjack, I have never been down more than $100 in any given day but then I only play $10 hands (and start having palpitations if I have to split and split again or double down). Sure, everyone at the table says its time to have some fun but its my $50 or more hand sitting out there!

 

Any help is appreciated.

Well if you are wanting to play with Come Bets and taking odds and all this stuff I suggest you have a total bank roll of $1000. Making your daily limit loss of $200 and if you are up $200 walk away from the table that day. YES-craps is a very swing game as you have already seen. Even if you are not an impulsive better.

The problem with most gamblers is they don't know when it is time to quit and walk away. I decide on a daily profit/loss plan. Once I meet either quota for the day I get the hell out of there. I am there to make money and not friends. Hence why I play the dark side exclusively.

Since you would like to play with Come betting which is fine and dandy you are gonna need to have more money in your bank roll. Especially for the length of cruising you are doing.

If you can afford to lose $1000 then I can help you with the betting strategy. If your bank roll is only going to be $250 and you are going to play with come bets you might as well just hand the money over to the casino and enjoy the shows because it will be theirs before you know it.

Yo: To be honest, I don't know how many days in a row I'd be willing to lose $250. I can afford (?) to lose a $1000 but I don't know how willing I would be to go back for more torture after four days.

Maybe I should take my $250 a day budget and bet higher hands at blackjack. I will never will big at BJ because I will never bet big (but then again, I will never lose big either)

Yo: To be honest, I don't know how many days in a row I'd be willing to lose $250. I can afford (?) to lose a $1000 but I don't know how willing I would be to go back for more torture after four days.

Maybe I should take my $250 a day budget and bet higher hands at blackjack. I will never will big at BJ because I will never bet big (but then again, I will never lose big either)

OR you forget about the Come betting and stick with what I originally suggested. Pass Line and Pass line odds betting. Your will require a less bank roll then.

Well the great news will be the fact you are on NCL. I HEARD that their casinos are like "real" casinos as they are managed by a casino company. Unlike other cruise lines. For example, RCCL, casino sucks. Especially craps where they offer single odds. Odds are the best bet on the table but they limit how much you put down because they are there to rip off their players. Makes the house edge increase.

 

I will see about writing a easy lesson on Come Bets for a beginner. It is actually simple but looks complex because you will have so many bets on the table. The most important question you need to answer for me is how much is your bankroll gonna be for playing craps?

HHHHHEEEEELLLLLLLLLLOOOOO Yo Eleven: How could sailing on NCL be great? First, when I was on an NCL cruise they only allowed single odds. The food was terrible, lost more than ten pounds on that cruise, the service is bad, the stateroom attendants sometimes changed towels and all the time left the same dirty washclothes for you to use. They also leave the glass in the stateroom regardless of useage. I am on vacation to have a good time not to chase the room service people or teach the cooks how to cook.

Also, on Celebrity Cruise Line they offer 3-4-5X odds. So far that is the best that the cruise lines offer.

HHHHHEEEEELLLLLLLLLLOOOOO Yo Eleven: How could sailing on NCL be great? First, when I was on an NCL cruise they only allowed single odds. The food was terrible, lost more than ten pounds on that cruise, the service is bad, the stateroom attendants sometimes changed towels and all the time left the same dirty washclothes for you to use. They also leave the glass in the stateroom regardless of useage. I am on vacation to have a good time not to chase the room service people or teach the cooks how to cook.

 

Also, on Celebrity Cruise Line they offer 3-4-5X odds. So far that is the best that the cruise lines offer.

I am talking about the casiino in general. I was told they offer 3-4-5X odds on NCL on their ships. And it is more Vegas style. I wasn't addressing anything other than the casino.

I can't help it you were too cheap to pay to eat in the specialty restaurants. :p

Oh and try using soap when you shower and get the dirt off that way. The towels will last longer. LOL!

Casino Player: This will be our 8th NCL cruise, so I don't expect many surprises. When you get the cruises as cheap as we have, you have a tendency not to complain too much. We are very easy people to please and if I have a problem I address it right away ( for example take a bunch of towels/washcloths off of one of the carts in the hall) :D

Yo: You have convinced me to stay with the Pass Line and Pass Line odds betting only.

Yo: You have convinced me to stay with the Pass Line and Pass Line odds betting only.

As a fellow cheapskate gambler, I'll butt in here with the recommendation that you might want to just play the Pass Line (i.e., no odds).

Why? Well, the odds bet is a darn good bet, with no house edge. But there's a right and a wrong way to play it (IMNSHO) if your intention is to stretch your bankroll out as long as possible. The Odds bet strategy works best when you can take your intended bet and split it up, rather than adding to it.

So if your bankroll dictates that you should only bet $10 per round in craps, don't let the attractiveness of the Odds bet "talk you into" betting more than that. Ideally, you'd find a $5 table, let's say, where you can place half your intended total bet ($5) on the Pass line, then back it up with single odds (the other $5). What you wouldn't want to do is back it up with another $10 (or $15, or $20, etc.), increasing your intended bet to more than $10, just because the odds let you. And you certainly wouldn't want to bet your $10 all on the initial Pass line, and then add even more in Odds.

While it's true that those additional bets have no house edge, they're still being put at risk, and your overall volatility is going up. The normal "swings" will be wider... perhaps too wide for a small bankroll.

Put another way, if you have $100 to spend and you find a $5 table with 4x odds, you will last longer making minimum Pass-line-only bets ($5 per round; bankroll can absorb 20 losses) than you will making Pass-line-plus-full-Odds bets ($25 per round; bankroll can absorb 4 losses). Your expected average loss-per-round is about 7 cents either way, but you'll play a lot longer on average in the first case.

JJ

I am talking about the casiino in general. I was told they offer 3-4-5X odds on NCL on their ships. And it is more Vegas style. I wasn't addressing anything other than the casino.

 

I can't help it you were too cheap to pay to eat in the specialty restaurants. :p

 

Oh and try using soap when you shower and get the dirt off that way. The towels will last longer. LOL!

HHHHHEEEEELLLLLLLLLLOOOOO Yo Eleven: I am not too cheap to eat in specialty resturants. I do so on cruise lines that offer something other than main dining room fare which is what NCL mainly provides. Vegas style on NCL was something I didn't experience. It was single odds.

I don't know if you use soap, but, they have to give me more every day. Unless it is NCL. However, NCL is the only cruise line I have been on that leaves dirty towels in the bathrooms.

HHHHHEEEEELLLLLLLLLLOOOOO Yo Eleven: I am not too cheap to eat in specialty resturants. I do so on cruise lines that offer something other than main dining room fare which is what NCL mainly provides. Vegas style on NCL was something I didn't experience. It was single odds.

 

I don't know if you use soap, but, they have to give me more every day. Unless it is NCL. However, NCL is the only cruise line I have been on that leaves dirty towels in the bathrooms.

Hmmmm. Lots of things to reply to here.

So you are saying that you lost 10 pounds after eating in the specialty restaurants, interesting. Getting back on topic here.....

Are you certain you aren't mixing up your cruise lines? I suspect you are mixing up Royal Carribbean with NCL. Single odds there and yes the food there isn't wonderful. Casinos at sea DO offer 3X, 4X, 5X on ALL SHIPS on NCL. I have confirmed this myself AND furthermore it states it here on their website as well from others experiences. To say they only offer single odds is false and misleading. Please SPECIFY which ship and cruise you went on which offerred only single odds. Here is the proof they offer better than single odds. Sources:

http://boards.cruisecritic.com/showthread.php?t=887871

http://www.winningways.net/norwegiancruiselines.html

http://www.cruise-casinos.com/CruiseReviews/norwegiangem.htm

http://www.ncl.co.uk/more/casino/casinocas_az.htm

Hmmmm. Lots of things to reply to here.

 

So you are saying that you lost 10 pounds after eating in the specialty restaurants, interesting. Getting back on topic here.....

 

Are you certain you aren't mixing up your cruise lines? I suspect you are mixing up Royal Carribbean with NCL. Single odds there and yes the food there isn't wonderful. Casinos at sea DO offer 3X, 4X, 5X on ALL SHIPS on NCL. I have confirmed this myself AND furthermore it states it here on their website as well from others experiences. To say they only offer single odds is false and misleading. Please SPECIFY which ship and cruise you went on which offerred only single odds. Here is the proof they offer better than single odds. Sources:

http://boards.cruisecritic.com/showthread.php?t=887871

http://www.winningways.net/norwegiancruiselines.html

http://www.cruise-casinos.com/CruiseReviews/norwegiangem.htm

http://www.ncl.co.uk/more/casino/casinocas_az.htm

HHHHHEEEEELLLLLLLLLLOOOOO Yo Eleven: My experience on NCL was that single odds were the only odds you could take in the casino. Was that before Apollo Capital Management bought into Star Cruise Line? Don't know. By the way, Apollo Capital Management also is at least part owner of the Harrah's Corp.

HHHHHEEEEELLLLLLLLLLOOOOO Yo Eleven: My experience on NCL was that single odds were the only odds you could take in the casino. Was that before Apollo Capital Management bought into Star Cruise Line? Don't know. By the way, Apollo Capital Management also is at least part owner of the Harrah's Corp.

Again, which cruise did you go on and when?

If you sailed her the same time Titanic was in the Atlantic then maybe they had single odds. I am trying to smack a time frame from you but you don't want to give it up?

All I know is Casinos at Sea runs the show now and they offer 3X, 4X, and 5X odds on craps.

Again, which cruise did you go on and when?

 

If you sailed her the same time Titanic was in the Atlantic then maybe they had single odds. I am trying to smack a time frame from you but you don't want to give it up?

 

All I know is Casinos at Sea runs the show now and they offer 3X, 4X, and 5X odds on craps.

Yo Eleven....You have to understand...Casino Player NEVER gets to the point...just blah, blah blah ad-nausem