jleq Posted March 31, 2011 #1 Share Posted March 31, 2011 http://blog.al.com/live/2011/03/mayor_sam_jones_heading_to_mia.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firefly333 Posted March 31, 2011 #2 Share Posted March 31, 2011 If Mobile is unable to replace the Elation by the time it’s scheduled to pull out of Mobile in October, the city could find itself with a $2.25 million budget hole, a combination of lost parking revenue and ongoing debt service on the Alabama Cruise Terminal. In all, the city still owes $25.9 million for the terminal, including interest payments over the life of the bonds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruzngma Posted March 31, 2011 #3 Share Posted March 31, 2011 the picture in the linked article says its the Elation... I think it's the Holiday pictured.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceece911 Posted March 31, 2011 #4 Share Posted March 31, 2011 On the news the other night. http://www.fox10tv.com/dpp/news/local_news/mobile_county/mayor-sam-jones-heads-to-miami-for-carnival-cruise-talks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toad455 Posted March 31, 2011 #5 Share Posted March 31, 2011 yes, it's indeed the Holiday. considering that all of the Fantasy class ships have released schedules way into 2012, I highly doubt Carnival will be putting a ship back there anytime soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcwebber Posted March 31, 2011 #6 Share Posted March 31, 2011 http://blog.al.com/live/2011/03/mayor_sam_jones_heading_to_mia.html The real title of that article should be Mobile Mayor Kicks Off Re-election Campaign in Miami Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
futaba951 Posted March 31, 2011 #7 Share Posted March 31, 2011 The real title of that article should be Mobile Mayor Kicks Off Re-election Campaign in Miami Not a snowballs chance in hell of re-election. He was okay as a county commissioner, but has let the city go to hell in hand basket under his watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gatour Posted March 31, 2011 #8 Share Posted March 31, 2011 From the link in the Original Post, I find this quote telling... "the company said it was moving the Elation cruise ship to New Orleans because it wanted to rotate a ship out of the Gulf of Mexico" It sounds like Carnival wants to reduce the overall ship count in the Gulf by one ship. Makes more sense to have 2 ships out of New Orleans than one ship out of New Orleans and one ship out of Mobile. Not sure how many ships are actually currently out of New Orleans vs what will happen in the fall, but my gist is that they are consolidating operations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
futaba951 Posted March 31, 2011 #9 Share Posted March 31, 2011 From the link in the Original Post, I find this quote telling... "the company said it was moving the Elation cruise ship to New Orleans because it wanted to rotate a ship out of the Gulf of Mexico" It sounds like Carnival wants to reduce the overall ship count in the Gulf by one ship. Makes more sense to have 2 ships out of New Orleans than one ship out of New Orleans and one ship out of Mobile. Not sure how many ships are actually currently out of New Orleans vs what will happen in the fall, but my gist is that they are consolidating operations. That's exactly what they wanted to do. It has nothing to do with fuel cost and pricing. They simply wanted to move a ship. Can't blame them if it works for them. The fuel and pricing is just a smoke screen. They should've just said in the beginning that they wanted to move a ship out of the Gulf and Mobile is the big loser. So sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxxedout2 Posted March 31, 2011 #10 Share Posted March 31, 2011 Too bad for the mayor. By the way, mayor, it is cheaper to fly from FLL to MSY (NOLA) than to Mobile. 5 day cruise was same price. So for me NOLA is where I'll go. Just sayin' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcwebber Posted March 31, 2011 #11 Share Posted March 31, 2011 That's exactly what they wanted to do. It has nothing to do with fuel cost and pricing. They simply wanted to move a ship. Can't blame them if it works for them. The fuel and pricing is just a smoke screen. They should've just said in the beginning that they wanted to move a ship out of the Gulf and Mobile is the big loser. So sorry. Yeah, sure. They could make a lot more money in Mobile, but they just like the way the pictures come out with NOLA in the background. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
futaba951 Posted March 31, 2011 #12 Share Posted March 31, 2011 Yeah, sure. They could make a lot more money in Mobile, but they just like the way the pictures come out with NOLA in the background. No, they can't make more money in Mobile. That's why they are moving the ship. Get a clue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ollychelle Posted March 31, 2011 #13 Share Posted March 31, 2011 We were just onboard the Elation last week. Some of the workers said it had to do with the casinos too? In New Orleans they can leave the casino open but not in Mobile? Don't know accurate this is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spencercoop Posted March 31, 2011 #14 Share Posted March 31, 2011 We were just onboard the Elation last week. Some of the workers said it had to do with the casinos too? In New Orleans they can leave the casino open but not in Mobile? Don't know accurate this is? Not accurate. They can't open the casino until they get into international waters. So it wouldn't matter for either port. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcwebber Posted March 31, 2011 #15 Share Posted March 31, 2011 No, they can't make more money in Mobile. That's why they are moving the ship. Get a clue. Not everyone needs an emoticon to recognize sarcasm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
futaba951 Posted March 31, 2011 #16 Share Posted March 31, 2011 Not everyone needs an emoticon to recognize sarcasm. You're right. We need one so we can tell when you're not being sarcastic. Are you sure you're not my mom posting incognito? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikedw Posted March 31, 2011 #17 Share Posted March 31, 2011 They open the casino within a hour or two of leaving Baltimore and it's a 12 hour sail down the bay. Don't think they have to be in international waters in all cases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frednsb Posted March 31, 2011 #18 Share Posted March 31, 2011 They can put it where ever they want! Ectasy is moving to Port Canaveral, a very profitable port. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firefly333 Posted March 31, 2011 #19 Share Posted March 31, 2011 Yeah, sure. They could make a lot more money in Mobile, but they just like the way the pictures come out with NOLA in the background. You're right. We need one so we can tell when you're not being sarcastic. Are you sure you're not my mom posting incognito? This is your mom speaking ... and even I got it. That was sarcasm about the picture especially. I think most of us can agree, fewer ships out of the gulf means higher prices overall, stronger demand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LHP Posted March 31, 2011 #20 Share Posted March 31, 2011 That's exactly what they wanted to do. It has nothing to do with fuel cost and pricing. They simply wanted to move a ship. Can't blame them if it works for them. The fuel and pricing is just a smoke screen. They should've just said in the beginning that they wanted to move a ship out of the Gulf and Mobile is the big loser. So sorry. I don't consider saving 600 nautical miles in fuel a smoke screen. Especially when it takes one gallon of fuel to move the Ecstasy 60 feet. This is the savings that will occur when the Ecstasy is moved from Galveston to PC. Since Carnival had already contracted to bring another ship to New Orleans, it makes sense to move one that is not meeting the revenue marks AND is not under contract. This had more to do with the new 2012 Governmental Fuel Regulations than anything else. Btw, from the actions of the Mobile "leadership"...Mobile was a loser WAY before Carnival got involved with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LHP Posted March 31, 2011 #21 Share Posted March 31, 2011 If Mobile is unable to replace the Elation by the time it’s scheduled to pull out of Mobile in October, the city could find itself with a $2.25 million budget hole, a combination of lost parking revenue and ongoing debt service on the Alabama Cruise Terminal. In all, the city still owes $25.9 million for the terminal, including interest payments over the life of the bonds. Mobile lost $2 million in mismanagment of the parking revenue alone. Mobile made so many business errors on their part....what my uncle (who lives there) calls Mobile's "voo doo" financial accounting.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
futaba951 Posted March 31, 2011 #22 Share Posted March 31, 2011 This is your mom speaking ... Hi mom!!!! I've always wanted to tell you that talking to you has been like dancing in a mine field for the last 49 years. On the bright side I've learned the art of "duck and cover", cya and never give up more info than a situation requires. Oh, yeah, and never care what ANYONE says because they've got nothing on you on the blind side attack. Wow!!! I feel better now!! :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
futaba951 Posted April 1, 2011 #23 Share Posted April 1, 2011 http://www.fox10tv.com/dpp/news/local_news/mobile%27s-cruise-crisis If you've ever wanted a peek at a cruise line contract with a port, there is a copy of Carnival's contract with Mobile in this article. There is also a copy of Jax contract as well. Incidentally, Mobile's contract expired in Nov. 2010 and evidently was not renewed. Oops!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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