What a non drinker thinks of the new 2.0 changes

[bougiet]

Im assuming you have never lived with someone who cant control what happens if they drink.

 

Just because your relatives had a different medical problem .. lets not dismiss others problems and say oh my families medical problems are worse.. you dont know what others have been thru. Its naive to dismiss alcoholism.

 

LOL let you not assume, my father is an alcoholic, my dad's side of the family were into drugs so I know all to well about it. I also had friends who were drug addicts, I know plent trust me. It is naive to think you have no choice in the matter. If you didn't then there would be no recovering alcoholics.

[H82seaUgo]

Honestly, you don't choose to drink? Is that what you are saying? How do you become an alcoholic then? Please enlighten me. Also, disorder is what it is thank you.

 

ahem, all people that start drinking don't become alcoholics.

 

give it up while you're behind. you are starting to sound foolish.

[iTouch]

Honestly, you don't choose to drink? Is that what you are saying? How do you become an alcoholic then? Please enlighten me. Also, disorder is what it is thank you.

 

 

People choose to drink but they don't choose the addiction......which is the disease........

[zgwortz]

I am no longer a CCL cheerleader by any means...and as I said, I do understand your feelings about there being one less 'dry' area on the ships with this change....you do have a valid point.

However, upon contemplating this, I thought back and don't ever recall EVER seeing anyone in the library on a CCL ship (on Celebrity I did...I think that was the only time out of 16 cruises I saw any 'life' in a library...)

Maybe CCL just wants to make better use of this unutilized space :confused:

 

To be honest, now that you say there is actually someone serving in there, it seems less tacky to me. Going in and getting wine from a dispenser sounded really crude to me. Having a quiet, drinking atmosphere may actaully be nice for some people...but like I said, I do understand your point.

 

I still won't be in the library. I prefer being out in the sunshine, seeing the ocean. :)

 

You've probably never noticed it because you don't spend time in the library on a cruise. The library tends to be used for people (both kids and adults) playing board/card/role playing games, reading books, and using laptop computers. It's also frequently the place for meetings (like the Friends of Bill W. meeting mentioned above), and for other gatherings. On my Carnival Destiny cruise last weekend, there was almost always *someone* in the library every time I went by it during the daytime, and I was in there quite a bit during the days myself. During the sea days the library was often full - and people kept coming in, seeing there was nowhere left to sit, and leaving.

 

I'm a non-drinker myself, and while I've noticed the drunk/rowdy crowd on every cruise I've been on (not just Carnival), I don't think most of the changes mentioned are an issue, and the OP is probably overreacting to most of them.

 

That said, the library bar is one of the few things I agree is a bad idea - the library is one of the few nice quiet get-away-from-rowdy-crowds parts of the ship, and putting a wine bar in there is likely to change that space significantly, probably not for the better. It's also going to take up room better used for more table space - the Destiny's library is already too small, IMHO.

[cruzeluver]

How do you become an alcoholic then? Please enlighten me.

 

Happily.

 

No one "becomes" an alcoholic. It is a disease of the mind. Most experts believe those so afflicted are born with it. The amount one drinks or doesn't drink has nothing to do with whether or not one is an alcoholic. Drinking excessively will not make someone "become" or "turn into" an alcoholic.

[firefly333]

LOL let you not assume, my father is an alcoholic, my dad's side of the family were into drugs so I know all to well about it. I also had friends who were drug addicts, I know plent trust me. It is naive to think you have no choice in the matter. If you didn't then there would be no recovering alcoholics.

 

I still think all medical problems are what they are.. no one asks for them.

 

The OP is entitled to their opinion without being slammed by someone who thinks its not a disease and wants to turn this into "my disease is worse than your disease" which is childish thinking to me. They are all bad news.

[bougiet]

Happily.

 

No one "becomes" an alcoholic. It is a disease of the mind. Most experts believe those so afflicted are born with it. The amount one drinks or doesn't drink has nothing to do with whether or not one is an alcoholic. Drinking excessively will not make someone "become" or "turn into" an alcoholic.

 

Honestly, I don't care what any of you think of me and my opinion. It is my feelings and I have very good reasons for them. No one will ever convince me otherwise either.

How is alcoholicism a disease of the mind and how would one actually be an alcoholic if they don't drink. I am still not nearly enlightened. So, if you don't drink you can still be an alcoholic? Doesn't the term alcoholism mean you alcohol. I am not being bratty here either I just don't get this.

For the one who called me childish, whatever. This are my feelings.

[halos]

Honestly, you don't choose to drink? Is that what you are saying? How do you become an alcoholic then? Please enlighten me. Also, disorder is what it is thank you.

:rolleyes:

There are people like me who choose to have a drink. An alcoholic doesn't have a choice, they feel the urge to and MUST...a person who chooses to drink is never an alcoholic. CHOICE being the operative word. Alcoholics feel compulsed to drink.

 

Addictions (any of them) are not to be so easily brushed off as just 'poor willpower'. Your feelings are strong in this, I can see...but it doesn't make them scientific by any means.

[ccartman2]

I too find the Library an odd spot to add a bar. On my last cruise, it seemed like there was always some one in there. Now all the ones before it I hardly saw people in there, but then I again, I don't recall every intentionally going into one. Perhaps Carnival felt that adding this bar would make better use of the space. i'm sure they did their research on it, just seems odd.

[realmccoy]

I am not exicted about the changes either...except for the entertainment. I don't drink...and don't eat much as I am a WW member. I will enjoy the new entertainment, but will not visit the new bars/ food options. Look on the good side, maybe there will be less people at the pool now :)

[Rosebud5t]

This may have already been said, I didn't read all 6 pages because it looks like there are other disputes going on here...... but from what I see the only additional "bar" is the wine availability in the library. The Red Frog and Blue Iguana are supposed to be on Lido where there are already bars. They will just have themes now. The Alchemy bar is taking the place of the wine bar outside of the disco and piano bar. The EA Sports bar is just a new theme/sponsorship of the existing sports-themed bar that all of the ships have. The other changes don't appear to have anything to do with alcohol... better trained DJs in the disco, new games, new shows, new burger options, taco/burrito bar, hand-picked comedians.................

 

All of this only solidifies for me what I have said all along about cruising. It can be whatever each person wants it to be! If cruising is the vacation we choose, it's up to us to make it great and make the most of the parts we love and not participate in the things we don't.

 

Happy cruising!!! :)

[bougiet]

ahem, all people that start drinking don't become alcoholics.

 

give it up while you're behind. you are starting to sound foolish.

 

ahhemm, I am pretty sure I never said that as I drink. Sheesh, really?

[iTouch]

This may have already been said, I didn't read all 6 pages because it looks like there are other disputes going on here...... but from what I see the only additional "bar" is the wine availability in the library. The Red Frog and Blue Iguana are supposed to be on Lido where there are already bars. They will just have themes now. The Alchemy bar is taking the place of the wine bar outside of the disco and piano bar. The EA Sports bar is just a new theme/sponsorship of the existing sports-themed bar that all of the ships have. The other changes don't appear to have anything to do with alcohol... better trained DJs in the disco, new games, new shows, new burger options, taco/burrito bar, hand-picked comedians.................

 

All of this only solidifies for me what I have said all along about cruising. It can be whatever each person wants it to be! If cruising is the vacation we choose, it's up to us to make it great and make the most of the parts we love and not participate in the things we don't.

 

Happy cruising!!! :)

 

Exactly! It's pretty much everything they already had just new and improved.......

[jclaceiba]

This one has a name, it has posted over 2000 times, and has sailed other cruise lines, so please do not talk down to me or try to belittle me because you can't. I am stating that instead of continuously accepting mediocre, that perhaps we should ask for better, not more booze. The fact that Carnival owns most of the other cruise lines, unless I sail completely European or Mid Eastern, it's all pretty much Carnival. Why not make the burgers better, than to give us a third place to go get one. Why not make the Mexican food better, than to create a place that may start out well, but end up like all their food is ending up....not so great. Ask your self what your passions are, if you have nothing to stand up for, you won't have good roots. So, no I am not on a new soap box, I'm on the one I have always stood on, make it better, not more, just better.

i agree with you....

[cruzeluver]

So, if you don't drink you can still be an alcoholic?

 

Of course. My partner has not touched alcohol in eleven years, but he is still very much an alcoholic. He has no compulsion to drink thanks to a certain 12 step program. The mind of an alcoholic is different than the mind of someone who is not. Drinking is just a manifestation of the disease.

 

But as you stated, your mind is made up. Hopefully someone else will glean something from this.

[bougiet]

Of course. My partner has not touched alcohol in eleven years, but he is still very much an alcoholic. He has no compulsion to drink thanks to a certain 12 step program. The mind of an alcoholic is different than the mind of someone who is not. Drinking is just a manifestation of the disease.

 

But as you stated, your mind is made up. Hopefully someone else will glean something from this.

 

I must have misread your previous post. I thought you meant that you never have had to have a drink to become an alcoholic. Sorry. My BF is a recovering addict. We went on our first vacation together( in many years ) in May. She has been clean for 15 years now. She also did the 12 step program but she would never say she did not chose that lifestyle. She would tell you how hard it is to become clean and stay that way. My mind is made up on that it is not a disease. I don't seem to sound as though I don't have sympathy for the battle to get clean but I don't like the word disease used as an excuse. Alcoholics that drink and drive and kill someone will never get sympathy from me because they say they have this disease.

[valtandc]

It's a choice to drink but it is the addiction that takes over not your choice........

 

 

choose not to drink and do something about it. Obviously, you did and I congratulate you. Sick of hearing people blame certain addictions for their lack of self control.

[iTouch]

choose not to drink and do something about it. Obviously, you did and I congratulate you. Sick of hearing people blame certain addictions for their lack of self control.

 

Sick of hearing assumptions also.......who said I was an alcoholic:confused:

[valtandc]

Addiction is a disorder not a freakin disease. Cancer is a disease, do not lump my family members who died of this horrific disease to those who drink by there choice.

 

so true. some in the medical industry benefit by leading people on and calling their addictions and poor choices diseases. In reality, we know that its hard for people stop doing many things: porn, alcohol, drugs, food.....then these people go saying that they can't help it....palease.

[iTouch]

Of course. My partner has not touched alcohol in eleven years, but he is still very much an alcoholic. He has no compulsion to drink thanks to a certain 12 step program. The mind of an alcoholic is different than the mind of someone who is not. Drinking is just a manifestation of the disease.

 

But as you stated, your mind is made up. Hopefully someone else will glean something from this.

 

I think it helps.....knowledge is priceless.....

[Chalker Guy]

I don't drink much, and learned a long time ago that I have no luck gambling, so I am very grateful to those who drink to excess and gamble. They contribute way more to Carnival's profits so I can get a real bargain on my vacation!

[valtandc]

Virtually every reliable resource including the Mayo Clinic and Johns Hopkins University define alcoholism as a progressive disease.

 

My life too has been touched by cancer,and its effects are terrible. But that does not change that alcoholism too is a disease.

 

You are wrong about this. It is currently considered a "Theory" that Alcoholism is a disease. Go play around with the AMA and read some of the detail and you will learn this. A theory is quite different from a fact like Cancer being a disease.

[valtandc]

Virtually every reliable resource including the Mayo Clinic and Johns Hopkins University define alcoholism as a progressive disease.

 

My life too has been touched by cancer,and its effects are terrible. But that does not change that alcoholism too is a disease.

 

They are calling it a "Theory" that alcoholism is a disease.

[sonicbuffalo]

I don't drink much, and learned a long time ago that I have no luck gambling, so I am very grateful to those who drink to excess and gamble. They contribute way more to Carnival's profits so I can get a real bargain on my vacation!

 

Yeah....I'm the same way...my wife and I went to Vegas for a week and she lost $.89 and I lost $1.00 in the penny slots...and no drinking...and we had a blast!

[Chief Cruiser]

i just came off a cruise and the food, all around, was mediocre at best. I was going to try the alligator bites, but they tried to slip me conch bites instead. The waiter said they were the same. I laughed at him and told him what I tought of his conch bites.

 

I've a Carnival fan and a majority of my 16 cruises have been with Carnival, but do agree with those that the food is going downhill. So, if the addition of more food places is just more of the same mediocre food, then I don't see how it is an upgrade because Guy puts his pants on the same way I do and I don't go goo-goo over someone's name. If they want my goo-goo then it needs to taste good.

 

I don't do the DJ scene and don't drink either so I am not going to comment on that. I don't think it is going to make any more drunks than already cruise. It just gives them a different option on places to get drunk. Additionally, I am not a George Lopez fan and I hope he can pick comedians better than he tries to be.

 

Overall, I was not amused with the menu changes, but we'll jjust have to see how these new changes are once I am onboard again.