Children and Portofinos

[Happy ks]

You don't have to smuggle curling irons, what does that have to do with this thread?I'm sure you got this off a different thread altogether, it has no bearing on the subject in this thread.

[JCSM-Mom]

[quote name='Happy ks']You don't have to smuggle curling irons, what does that have to do with this thread?I'm sure you got this off a different thread altogether, it has no bearing on the subject in this thread.[/QUOTE]

If you are responding to me, I was quoting part message on this board. If you read all the other posts you'll find it.

[Sovren]

Well, I am sure there is no convincing any of you that taking my son for a special meal at Portofino's was justified. Suffice it to say that I am not sorry and would do it again if permitted.

As I stated before "I stand by my decision to take my son there". If this offends you then please accept my apology in advance for the next time the 3 of us are in Portofino and my son ruins your cruise.

[bplazo]

Hopefully on your next cruise the Maitre'd will follow the rules.

[DoubleAK]

[quote name='Sovren']Well, I am sure there is no convincing any of you that taking my son for a special meal at Portofino's was justified. Suffice it to say that I am not sorry and would do it again if permitted.

As I stated before "I stand by my decision to take my son there". If this offends you then please accept my apology in advance for the next time the 3 of us are in Portofino and my son ruins your cruise.[/QUOTE]

...and as I stated before, your disrespect for the rules and fellow passengers permits me to complain to management about you and your son. I will not hesitate to make enough of a scene to see your son escorted out!

Learn some respect. The world does not revolve your son.

[PhoenixCruiser]

I don't care how wonderful and mature your child is... if I'm paying $50 for the privilege of a child-free dinner and see and child in there, I will complain to the managment until either the kid is escorted out or I get a refund.

 

Just because a tip-hungry employee say's it OK doesn't mean you can disrespect others who expect an adults-only environment.

 

 

Agreed! :mad:

 

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[Retired LEO]

Your kid would NEVER ruin my meal. I'll enjoy every bit of it as your kid gets escorted out.

[Sovren]

Good luck. It would never happen.

 

But I agree it would be entertaining for us to watch an adult make a scene in the restaurant while my son sits there politely eating his dinner. In fact, I would love to see you go off. It would be like going to a dinner theater show.

 

Grow up, lighten up, and get over it.

[Merion_Mom]

WHIRRRRR, WHIRRRRRR, WHIRRRRRRR..........

 

The sound of the world revolving around Sovren and his son........... :mad:

[PhoenixCruiser]

WHIRRRRR, WHIRRRRRR, WHIRRRRRRR..........

 

The sound of the world revolving around Sovren and his son........... :mad:

 

LMBO!!!!

 

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[hstrybuf]

Nliedel: I didn't ask, I was offered. Why would I turn it down?

 

Because it would have been the right thing to do and taught your son that rules can't be bent even if the offer is made.

[TheParrotHeads]

WHIRRRRR, WHIRRRRRR, WHIRRRRRRR..........

 

The sound of the world revolving around Sovren and his son........... :mad:

 

LOL. :D

 

Your kid would NEVER ruin my meal. I'll enjoy every bit of it as your kid gets escorted out.

 

Thanks for speaking what I was thinking :)

 

Regardless of what others may think, IMHO, it comes down to one ideaology: Me, Me, Me. When you look at most of the posters who defend breaking the rules, whether its entering the dining room dressed non-formal, bringing kids into the solarium, or this current issue; once all the excuses and defenses are made it comes down to, "We will do what we want to do." The attitude of, "I don't care I paid my money, so rules be changed accordingly for my enjoyment," is the way many people of today think. I'm not going to waste my time pointing it out, since the posters have done that already. I just think its unique to see how they start out with all sorts of reasoning and then finally after being challenged or questioned they expose their real reason. Their intentions from the beginning were to satisfy only what they wanted to do regardless of what the right thing would be.

[Folgy]

Well, I am sure there is no convincing any of you that taking my son for a special meal at Portofino's was justified. Suffice it to say that I am not sorry and would do it again if permitted.

 

As I stated before "I stand by my decision to take my son there". If this offends you then please accept my apology in advance for the next time the 3 of us are in Portofino and my son ruins your cruise.

 

That statement reeks of self indulgence and a total lack of regard for others.

 

Iam am very passive non agressive by nature , however if I saw that you had brought your nine year old into Chops or Portofino's while I had planned a quiet dining with adults only (this would be my expectation)I would certainly bring this to the waiters attention to apply the rules set by RCCL.

 

*humph*....how do you like those apples? :D

[Retired LEO]

Exactly. This was like a short story with the OP making things up as he went along. This is the type of person that can't take critisism. Once he saw that he was being backed into a corner he became very defensive.

 

Oh well, on to more important things.

[Retired LEO]

That statement reeks of self indulgence and a total lack of regard for others.

 

Iam am very passive non agressive by nature , however if I saw that you had brought your nine year old into Chops or Portofino's while I had planned a quiet dining with adults only (this would be my expectation)I would certainly bring this to the waiters attention to apply the rules set by RCCL.

 

*humph*....how do you like those apples? :D

 

How do you like those apples? LOL

[Retired not Expired]

Exactly. This was like a short story with the OP making things up as he went along. This is the type of person that can't take critisism. Once he saw that he was being backed into a corner he became very defensive.

 

Oh well, on to more important things.

 

I agree. When he took the, they let me so it's not my fault, position, that's when I decided no use trying to use reason any more, so I quit posting. I believe his last two posts tells us which of his stories were true.

[beachguy]

 

Would you have the same argument if you went to a very upscale restaurant in a big city and had kids at the next table? There you are paying $150.00 pp for dinner. Would you complain if kids were disturbing your dinner?

 

(beachchick here)

 

The answer is yes, I would complain if the restaurant billed itself as an adult venue with no one under a specific age allowed (as Chops and Portofinos do). It wouldn't matter if the children were well behaved. I would have gone to the restaurant with the expectation of not having young children there.

 

Otherwise, in an upscale restaurant, I would only complain if children were causing a disturbance. This can include running around, yelling, throwing a tantrum, constantly talking very loudly, whining, throwing things, etc. But here's the thing, I would complain if an adult was acting in that way as well.

 

So, I don't consider myself a hypocrite and I'm certainly not a child hater. We've got a fabulous grown up DD (whom we did not take to places where she was younger than an age restriction, even though she was a mature, well-behaved youngster who interacted well with adults).

 

I agree that you should have declined the offer. And saying that it's okay because people break other rules is a massive rationalization, IMO. What's the old saying about two wrongs don't make a right? That's still true today.

 

beachchick

[cruisecrasy]

Enjoyed your retort - very articulate...at least to those with rational thinking who aren't out to prove anything..

[Nliedel]

Nliedel: I didn't ask, I was offered. Why would I turn it down?

 

Also regarding this part of your reply:

 

I have a dear friend who just found out she is unable to have children. While the world is full of children and she cannot avoid happy families all the time she enjoys adult only venues sometimes when the stress of her circumstances get to her. In her case Chops being child free enhances her evening and her experience. While her childless state is not your fault your behavior would mean an evenin of less enjoyment for her.

 

My son is adopted because we couldn't have children. Sure it was tough for us, but not being able to have kids wanted us to be around them even more. This argument holds no weight for me. I've been there.

 

Of course my argument holds no weight with you. You appear to have no empathy for others as your posts indicate. Because you did not get upset about a situation then no one else should be allowed to. I too adotped my two oldest children and know the pain of infertility (until I turned 38, what happened there?) it would have bothered me to have a child in an adults only venue, but not you! So then my pain and hurt is irrelavant because you cannot understand it, "not your problem".

 

You did not state it was offered until challenged so I do not believe that it was offered. Oh perhaps you said, "Gee I have a child and he is REALLY well behaved and it would be a shame to have him miss dinner with us.. etc" and put the Maitre D on the spot, but I cannot believe, for one moment, that you called and said: "Table for 4" and he said "Oh but don't you have that well behaved 9 year old, well by all means then let's make this a table for 5".

 

You knew going in it was against the policy of the restaurant and you just decided it was against the policy of the restaurant for everyone else but you. You have defended it and that's fine but now have no basis for complaint if on your next cruise you are enjoying an adult area and someone's child is allowed in and acts like a monster. You have set a precident and have now to live with the consequences. While that may not trouble you it does many of the posters here. I do not want to live with your consequences.

 

I strongly suspect there is no argument that will show you that you have erred, you have decided you are special, your child is special and you are above reproach.

[Retired LEO]

Of course my argument holds no weight with you. You appear to have no empathy for others as your posts indicate. Because you did not get upset about a situation then no one else should be allowed to. I too adotped my two oldest children and know the pain of infertility (until I turned 38, what happened there?) it would have bothered me to have a child in an adults only venue, but not you! So then my pain and hurt is irrelavant because you cannot understand it, "not your problem".

 

You did not state it was offered until challenged so I do not believe that it was offered. Oh perhaps you said, "Gee I have a child and he is REALLY well behaved and it would be a shame to have him miss dinner with us.. etc" and put the Maitre D on the spot, but I cannot believe, for one moment, that you called and said: "Table for 4" and he said "Oh but don't you have that well behaved 9 year old, well by all means then let's make this a table for 5".

 

You knew going in it was against the policy of the restaurant and you just decided it was against the policy of the restaurant for everyone else but you. You have defended it and that's fine but now have no basis for complaint if on your next cruise you are enjoying an adult area and someone's child is allowed in and acts like a monster. You have set a precident and have now to live with the consequences. While that may not trouble you it does many of the posters here. I do not want to live with your consequences.

 

I strongly suspect there is no argument that will show you that you have erred, you have decided you are special, your child is special and you are above reproach.

 

WOW....Very well said Nliedel. You covered it perfectly.

[goodml]

Wow, you guys are really over the top on this one. I didn't take my 14 year old to the specialty restaurant and I certainly didn't take the 11 year old. I wouldn't have considered it but honestly, after reading all the posts on this thread, I'd think I'd much rather dine with the quiet 9 year old than the loud mouth creating a scene because there's a quiet 9 year old in the room. Gee I wonder who would disturb my lovely adult dinner (and that's what I'm looking for too!) more?

[bettycrowley]

goodml

I agree 100%!!!

[Retired LEO]

Wow, you guys are really over the top on this one. I didn't take my 14 year old to the specialty restaurant and I certainly didn't take the 11 year old. I wouldn't have considered it but honestly, after reading all the posts on this thread, I'd think I'd much rather dine with the quiet 9 year old than the loud mouth creating a scene because there's a quiet 9 year old in the room. Gee I wonder who would disturb my lovely adult dinner (and that's what I'm looking for too!) more?

 

No where is it posted about "Creating a scene" except by the OP when he no longer could defend himself. A quiet talk with management would take care of this situation.

[goodml]

...and as I stated before, your disrespect for the rules and fellow passengers permits me to complain to management about you and your son. I will not hesitate to make enough of a scene to see your son escorted out!

 

Learn some respect. The world does not revolve your son.

 

Knew I saw that scene thing somewhere.

[Heidict]

This thread is cracking me up. As if the mere sight of a child will cause the food to crawl back up your throat. If the child is being quiet and well behaved why would you go to all the trouble to make a scene and demand that the child be escorted out? Drama queen or trouble maker?

 

I understand if the child is being disruptive or if making your meal an unpleasant experience. But if they are queitly sitting there and behaving?

 

From the sound of it this thread is full of perfect law abidding citizens who have never done anything wrong at anytime in there life. Always go the speed limit, never took a sip of alcohol before they reached the legal drinking age, never took a hit of pot in high school or college, never did anything that was against a rule or law? Please, to have your lives laid bare, I'm sure everyone in this theard would be happy to tear you apart for it also.

 

For what its worth. I believe that if the rules say over 16 only then that is how it should be. I would not make reservation for my child if they were under 16. But the staff did offer, regardless if he was right or wrong in accepting the invitation it was extended by the staff.

 

I would not make a scene and complain nonstop just so I could get my own way and feel superior if there happened to be a well behaved underage child there.