Elaine5715 Posted July 22, 2014 #101 Share Posted July 22, 2014 We had the dancers in the lounge after hours on a couple of cruises. They put on quite a show. Why anyone would object is beyond me. This is what I bet old Norman's WIFE had an issue with... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Out to sea! Posted July 22, 2014 #102 Share Posted July 22, 2014 Now we have to feel guilty? They are servants They clean your room They serve your food They do not do this for free They are not forced to do this Last I noticed they are not in chains and the pax do not beat up on them They are servants and are paid to be such. They can choose to take these jobs or not If they are not respected or a pax abuses them they can lodge a complaint Please note that my above comment does not say anything about the crew in bars but rather comments on why the quoted poster has an issue with the word servant If it is semantics well then just call them cabin crew or wait staff But they still are serving you Sent from my iPhone using Forums Huge difference between being a "Server" and a "Servant". :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winddawn Posted July 22, 2014 #103 Share Posted July 22, 2014 John Heald posted a question today about a complaint from a guest regarding crew in the passenger bars. Do people really have a problem with this? Why? I've only seen obvious crew in passenger bars a handful of times in 10 cruises with carnival, and I can't say it's ever bothered me at all. Crew can only have a drink or two anyway (even when off duty they are required to remain legally sober in case of emergency) so how much can they really affect service? I've seen crew members out on the ship enjoying their limited time off. Usually they are very discreet. I've also seen a group of crew playing on the beach at Half Moon Cay enjoying their time off. I don't understand the fuss about this as long as they are not disturbing passengers. They work hard and deserve time off just like anyone else. Considering they are on the ships for months at a time, I can't imagine what else they could do during their limited time off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanpatricksmom Posted July 22, 2014 #104 Share Posted July 22, 2014 I'm more surprised that staff would want to socialize with passengers than the other way around. For every one person that generally has an interest in their lives, there are likely many more who grill them on the "inside scoop". If I were a Carnival employee who had to wear my badge everywhere onboard, I'd be hiding in the safe zone every chance I got, lol! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruise-Crazy Posted July 22, 2014 #105 Share Posted July 22, 2014 Doesn't bother me a bit. I've been in the crew bar so why can't they come in the PAX bar? :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LandlockedCruiser01 Posted July 22, 2014 #106 Share Posted July 22, 2014 (edited) I'm more surprised that staff would want to socialize with passengers than the other way around. I got a hypothetical question based on this. What would a staff member do if they're in the nightclub with their colleagues (like the OP described), and a passenger tries to dance with them? Do they still have the leeway to politely decline, like a fellow passenger would, or is there some kind of an unwritten rule, set in place by Carnival, not to refuse any reasonable request? I would hate for the staff member to not be able to avoid an interaction they don't want to be in. (This doesn't apply to crew, who can't be in passenger areas outside of work, and probably not to officers, either, simply because of their higher authority level.) Edited July 22, 2014 by LandlockedCruiser01 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrusinCyndi Posted July 22, 2014 #107 Share Posted July 22, 2014 Last year on the Fantasy, I was able to have breakfast with THE CAPTAIN!!! It was so interesting. He was walking around and looking for a place to sit. He was wonderful to talk to, answered a few of my questions. Guess some people would have complained that he was on lido deck having breakfast. I still remember his accent and ALSO remember that he had Black Coffee, Special K Cearel, Skim Milk and a Banana..only bad thing was it made me look like a pig....LOL But it was so special and so unexpected! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
golfadj Posted July 22, 2014 #108 Share Posted July 22, 2014 Last year on the Fantasy, I was able to have breakfast with THE CAPTAIN!!! It was so interesting. He was walking around and looking for a place to sit. He was wonderful to talk to, answered a few of my questions. Guess some people would have complained that he was on lido deck having breakfast. I still remember his accent and ALSO remember that he had Black Coffee, Special K Cearel, Skim Milk and a Banana..only bad thing was it made me look like a pig....LOL But it was so special and so unexpected! Wow how great is that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruise, J.D. Posted July 22, 2014 #109 Share Posted July 22, 2014 Last year on the Fantasy, I was able to have breakfast with THE CAPTAIN!!! It was so interesting. He was walking around and looking for a place to sit. He was wonderful to talk to, answered a few of my questions. Guess some people would have complained that he was on lido deck having breakfast. I still remember his accent and ALSO remember that he had Black Coffee, Special K Cearel, Skim Milk and a Banana..only bad thing was it made me look like a pig....LOL But it was so special and so unexpected! Very cool!! I did notice a lot of the officers on the Fantasy using the Lido buffet. One had his family with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris64 Posted July 22, 2014 #110 Share Posted July 22, 2014 Wow, some of the comments here really amaze me! Do some of you really walk around with your noses so far in the air that you can't even see in front of you? "Servants"???? :eek: "Should stay in there own area"???? :eek: If you ever took the time to talk to them, you would find out that the are people just like you and me and simply have a job to do, like you and I do also. As far as taking up room in certain bars etc., we were in the piano bar on the Fascination a couple of weeks ago. There was some crew in there, as soon as the seats started filing up around the piano, the first thing that the crew did was to stand up and give thier seats to the guests. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VikkiGarcia Posted July 22, 2014 #111 Share Posted July 22, 2014 Landlockedcruiser: My son works on the Liberty and if he is in the nightclub and asked to dance he dances (whether be wants to or not). Most of the time it is groups of women who are sick of such few men on the dance floor. So he kind of dances with the group. If staff really doesn't want to dance or be possibly asked by guests then they need to be "hanging out" in a non dance venue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LandlockedCruiser01 Posted July 22, 2014 #112 Share Posted July 22, 2014 (edited) Landlockedcruiser: My son works on the Liberty and if he is in the nightclub and asked to dance he dances (whether be wants to or not). Most of the time it is groups of women who are sick of such few men on the dance floor. So he kind of dances with the group. If staff really doesn't want to dance or be possibly asked by guests then they need to be "hanging out" in a non dance venue. Makes sense. I also noticed an inordinately small number of men compared to what I've come to expect in land-based nightclubs. Not that I'm complaining; it worked in my favor :D. Plus, women acted friendlier, since they probably got less undesirable attention. In my description, I was referring to the more common "guy approaches girl" scenario. I take it the staff member's course of action would be the same. Unless, of course, the passenger mistakes friendliness for flirting and/or dances too close. Then hopefully, one of her officer colleagues will step in. Edited July 22, 2014 by LandlockedCruiser01 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
golfadj Posted July 22, 2014 #113 Share Posted July 22, 2014 Landlockedcruiser: My son works on the Liberty and if he is in the nightclub and asked to dance he dances (whether be wants to or not). Most of the time it is groups of women who are sick of such few men on the dance floor. So he kind of dances with the group. If staff really doesn't want to dance or be possibly asked by guests then they need to be "hanging out" in a non dance venue. Interesting thanks for sharing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
golfadj Posted July 22, 2014 #114 Share Posted July 22, 2014 Wow, some of the comments here really amaze me! Do some of you really walk around with your noses so far in the air that you can't even see in front of you?"Servants"???? :eek: "Should stay in there own area"???? :eek: If you ever took the time to talk to them, you would find out that the are people just like you and me and simply have a job to do, like you and I do also. As far as taking up room in certain bars etc., we were in the piano bar on the Fascination a couple of weeks ago. There was some crew in there, as soon as the seats started filing up around the piano, the first thing that the crew did was to stand up and give thier seats to the guests. like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VikkiGarcia Posted July 22, 2014 #115 Share Posted July 22, 2014 Land: When a girl staff is approached usually she will pull any other girls to come along with them. Or some of the guys in the group will join in after keeping a close eye on her. It really depends on the "vibe" the guy asking to dance is giving off. The girls and guys on staff are great at looking out for one another. This is the reason for hanging out in small groups. Nobody wants to be left in an akward one on one situation with a guest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MV Wiggle Posted July 22, 2014 #116 Share Posted July 22, 2014 I have no problem with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindsorFred Posted July 22, 2014 #117 Share Posted July 22, 2014 like Like also +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigbob75 Posted July 22, 2014 #118 Share Posted July 22, 2014 This is a interesting thread You see I love crew members , I go out of my way to vocalize my support of these and all poor hard working people . After all they are human . So I'm extremely nice and take every opportunity on these boards to make sure they are tipped and let people know to treat them with the upmost respect . Bless there poor hearts working so hard coming from there homeland for so little wages. It makes me weep It's one of my favorite things about cruising that and also taking used clothes to poor island orphanages. But sometimes I just go on vacation don't notice crapolla drink and enjoy myself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luvtheships Posted July 22, 2014 #119 Share Posted July 22, 2014 (edited) Huge difference between being a "Server" and a "Servant". :rolleyes: What would one call a butler? Just askin A " man servant?" A " servant" A " ships worker" A " friend" Servant is not a bad word. Especially when they get paid And receive tips And can support a family in a way they never imagined possible Again, I have never seen a servant on a ship I rags and chains or being abused Political correctness is taking over where common sense used to exist. The " kool aid " is definitely spiked And just for fun just who do you think takes care of multimillion dollar a year rock/ hip hop/rap/ movie stars? They employ servants who serve them and get paid to do so. Last I looked being a servant to the stars was an enviable position But to make everyone happy just call them " personal assistants" but they are still servants Sent from my iPhone using Forums Edited July 22, 2014 by luvtheships Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
golfadj Posted July 22, 2014 #120 Share Posted July 22, 2014 What would one call a butler? Just askin A " man servant?" A " servant" A " ships worker" A " friend" Servant is not a bad word. Especially when they get paid And receive tips And can support a family in a way they never imagined possible Again, I have never seen a servant on a ship I rags and chains or being abused Political correctness is taking over where common sense used to exist. The " kool aid " is definitely spiked And just for fun just who do you think takes care of multimillion dollar a year rock/ hip hop/rap/ movie stars? They employ servants who serve them and get paid to do so. Last I looked being a servant to the stars was an enviable position But to make everyone happy just call them " personal assistants" but they are still servants Sent from my iPhone using Forums Very interesting post. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruzinlisa Posted July 22, 2014 #121 Share Posted July 22, 2014 My opinion (for what it is worth) is as long as they are behaving appropriately, I don't care. If they are falling down drunk, hitting on underage kids, knocking people down or cutting in line, that would be an issue for me. I think that Carnival (and many cruise lines for that matter) requires their staff to wear their name tags even when off duty so that people know they are crew. I have seen officers and entertainment staff dining and at bars on cruises and never thought much about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare sparks1093 Posted July 22, 2014 #122 Share Posted July 22, 2014 What would one call a butler? Just askin A " man servant?" A " servant" A " ships worker" A " friend" Servant is not a bad word. Especially when they get paid And receive tips And can support a family in a way they never imagined possible Again, I have never seen a servant on a ship I rags and chains or being abused Political correctness is taking over where common sense used to exist. The " kool aid " is definitely spiked And just for fun just who do you think takes care of multimillion dollar a year rock/ hip hop/rap/ movie stars? They employ servants who serve them and get paid to do so. Last I looked being a servant to the stars was an enviable position But to make everyone happy just call them " personal assistants" but they are still servants Sent from my iPhone using Forums I do see your point but there is no need to re-invent titles as they already have them- steward/cabin attendant, butler, concierge, waiter/waitress, purser. The term "servant" has an obviously negative connotation and is more appropriately used for someone in the employ of an individual or family. A steward may serve me, but he is not my servant as he is an employee of the cruise line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindsorFred Posted July 22, 2014 #123 Share Posted July 22, 2014 I do see your point but there is no need to re-invent titles as they already have them- steward/cabin attendant, butler, concierge, waiter/waitress, purser. The term "servant" has an obviously negative connotation and is more appropriately used for someone in the employ of an individual or family. A steward may serve me, but he is not my servant as he is an employee of the cruise line. Well said! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luvtheships Posted July 22, 2014 #124 Share Posted July 22, 2014 (edited) In many countries the term servant is perfectly good verbiage. I don't use the term personally and I prefer less interference by the stewards and wait staff but that is just me Forget a butler. Don't want them on a ship for me But on principal I will defend someone's choice to use the term servant because isn't it all about individual rites these days? As long as a person is not abusing the "worker" it doesn't really matter anyway Sent from my iPhone using Forums Edited July 22, 2014 by luvtheships Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShellLoves2cruise Posted July 22, 2014 #125 Share Posted July 22, 2014 I have absolutely no issue at all with a crew member being in passenger areas, like a PP said sometimes I'd rather chat with them than some passengers! On the last night of one cruise, I used the kiosk/ATM near the casino around 11:30pm, there was a short line and people kept joining the line, I assume because it was the last night. There was a crew member, off to the side leaning against a wall also waiting to use it, he was not in uniform but did have his name tag on. Myself and others in the line offered to let him have his turn but he politely decline each of us, I imagine he had been instructed to not go in front of any passengers.....I kind of felt bad for him having to wait so long because some folks using that machine were taking forever. I certainly wouldn't have minded him going ahead of me, I know he'd been waiting some time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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