Orison Posted September 20, 2014 #51 Share Posted September 20, 2014 While true (we were in New York for the naming ceremony and sleepover and had to enter and exit on deck 0), what is your point? Sent from my iPad using Forums mobile app Go back and read where someone said Vista could not come to NY because it couldn't handle large ships. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare jimbo5544 Posted September 20, 2014 #52 Share Posted September 20, 2014 (edited) Go back and read where someone said Vista could not come to NY because it couldn't handle large ships. I followed the thread, what does the Dream have to do with the Vista? The point overall is not relevant as the only stop she would make here is on her way over, not as a homeport, and if it is a visit it is not a big deal. Sent from my iPad using Forums mobile app Edited September 20, 2014 by jimbo5544 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orison Posted September 20, 2014 #53 Share Posted September 20, 2014 I followed the thread, what does the Dream have to do with the Vista? The point overall is not relevant as the only stop she would make here is on her way over, not as a homeport, and if it is a visit it is not a big deal. Sent from my iPad using Forums mobile app Ask pe4all. He brought it into the mix as a reason Vista couldn't port in NY, using Dream as an example. http://boards.cruisecritic.com/showpost.php?p=44160484&postcount=30 But you don't know that the Vista would not have NY has a home port, do you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
golfadj Posted September 20, 2014 #54 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Amazing how an interesting thread quickly turns into arguing over silly stuff. Turns out they will be dredging the Roanoke river and Vista will be homeported here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vitamin_Sea Posted September 20, 2014 #55 Share Posted September 20, 2014 The second was that the Vista was definitely not going anywhere outside the US for home port (which I feared) and the third was that the home port had been decided but not released and more information would come out possibly including renderings before the holidays. the home port is definitely known by the CCL brass by now! And hopefully, it is NYC :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orison Posted September 20, 2014 #56 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Amazing how an interesting thread quickly turns into arguing over silly stuff. Turns out they will be dredging the Roanoke river and Vista will be homeported here. Actually, I hear Cape May. It's about time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
golfadj Posted September 20, 2014 #57 Share Posted September 20, 2014 the home port is definitely known by the CCL brass by now! And hopefully, it is NYC :) Very possibly, they do need time to make any changes to the pier. Wonder why they are still not releasing much on the features of the ship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare jimbo5544 Posted September 20, 2014 #58 Share Posted September 20, 2014 the home port is definitely known by the CCL brass by now! And hopefully, it is NYC :) Hope is always a good thing.... Sent from my iPad using Forums mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare jimbo5544 Posted September 20, 2014 #59 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Ask pe4all. He brought it into the mix as a reason Vista couldn't port in NY, using Dream as an example. http://boards.cruisecritic.com/showpost.php?p=44160484&postcount=30 But you don't know that the Vista would not have NY has a home port, do you? I don't know anything. I asked some people who do know and was given a couple of ports that were "most likely" be the home port. New York was not in the two names. My point in questioning New York as a stop point is who knows that the reason that the Dream class could not use the gangways is even valid for a new class of ship? Sent from my iPad using Forums mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vitamin_Sea Posted September 20, 2014 #60 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Very possibly, they do need time to make any changes to the pier. Wonder why they are still not releasing much on the features of the ship. Is the Vista going to be larger then NCL breakaway? If not, Vista should fit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orison Posted September 20, 2014 #61 Share Posted September 20, 2014 My point in questioning New York as a stop point is who knows that the reason that the Dream class could not use the gangways is even valid for a new class of ship? Sent from my iPad using Forums mobile app That was mine too, yet you didn't challenge THAT poster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare jimbo5544 Posted September 20, 2014 #62 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Very possibly, they do need time to make any changes to the pier. Wonder why they are still not releasing much on the features of the ship. Good question, my guess is they want all the hubbub regarding QOTS to settle down before they announce. They want the focus to be theirs. Sent from my iPad using Forums mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare jimbo5544 Posted September 20, 2014 #63 Share Posted September 20, 2014 That was mine too, yet you didn't challenge THAT poster. I did not think I was challenging you, just trying to clarify what the logic was (for her being able to come or not come to New York). Sent from my iPad using Forums mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orison Posted September 20, 2014 #64 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Is the Vista going to be larger then NCL breakaway? If not, Vista should fit Sketchy sources still list the ship at 135,000 tons. The breakaway is 146,000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vitamin_Sea Posted September 20, 2014 #65 Share Posted September 20, 2014 I really doubt Vista is larger then NCL Breakaway so it fits into NYC port easily. In fact, There is no CCL ship near Breakaway size in existence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare jimbo5544 Posted September 20, 2014 #66 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Is the Vista going to be larger then NCL breakaway? If not, Vista should fit I doubt there is any question she would fit. Their was issues when the Dream came from the naming ceremony and the gangways did not line up, it had to do with the exterior side of the ship (there was some comments on San Juan as well where the fancy sin covers on the pier prevented the ship from getting close enough to the pier). It was fairly embarrassing for Carnival that they found out when she attempted to dock there. Sent from my iPad using Forums mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orison Posted September 20, 2014 #67 Share Posted September 20, 2014 I did not think I was challenging you, just trying to clarify what the logic was (for her being able to come or not come to New York). Sent from my iPad using Forums mobile app HUH? All I've posted is reasons why there's no reason it can't come to NY. Some have posted there's never been a new build ported in NY, and I can remember at least 4. Bringing a NEW ship to NY could possibly get the premium rates back that Carnival once commanded. Right now, I'm inundated with Splendor deals for $199. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare jimbo5544 Posted September 20, 2014 #68 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Sketchy sources still list the ship at 135,000 tons. The breakaway is 146,000. It is posted on many sources, none of which are sketchy. I can list a couple if you want. Sent from my iPad using Forums mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vitamin_Sea Posted September 20, 2014 #69 Share Posted September 20, 2014 I doubt there is any question she would fit. Their was issues when the Dream came from the naming ceremony and the gangways did not line up, it had to do with the exterior side of the ship (there was some comments on San Juan as well where the fancy sin covers on the pier prevented the ship from getting close enough to the pier). It was fairly embarrassing for Carnival that they found out when she attempted to dock there. Sent from my iPad using Forums mobile app Well... thats definitely a design issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare jimbo5544 Posted September 20, 2014 #70 Share Posted September 20, 2014 HUH? All I've posted is reasons why there's no reason it can't come to NY. Some have posted there's never been a new build ported in NY, and I can remember at least 4. Bringing a NEW ship to NY could possibly get the premium rates back that Carnival once commanded. Right now, I'm inundated with Splendor deals for $199. Again, I was not challenging you. There hash been much discounting of cruising from New York. Carnival will never commit a new build (their only new build for at least 4 years) to full time in the north east. Sent from my iPad using Forums mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orison Posted September 20, 2014 #71 Share Posted September 20, 2014 It is posted on many sources, none of which are sketchy. I can list a couple if you want. Sent from my iPad using Forums mobile app I think you missed the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruizinisthebest Posted September 20, 2014 #72 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Again, I was not challenging you. There hash been much discounting of cruising from New York. Carnival will never commit a new build (their only new build for at least 4 years) to full time in the north east. Sent from my iPad using Forums mobile app Why though? So many people leaving out of Florida are from the Northeast. Limited itinerary? Just wondering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vitamin_Sea Posted September 20, 2014 #73 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Again, I was not challenging you. There hash been much discounting of cruising from New York. Carnival will never commit a new build (their only new build for at least 4 years) to full time in the north east. Sent from my iPad using Forums mobile app I think its the winters in NYC... CCL has a hard time selling cabins in winter months at a decent margin. somehow, NCL and RCCL gets through it. Perhaps, bring Vista in NYC can change CCL luck? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare jimbo5544 Posted September 20, 2014 #74 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Why though? So many people leaving out of Florida are from the Northeast. Limited itinerary? Just wondering. Seasonal, you can make an argument. Winter ( or year round ) never. Think about it: where can they command the highest (or most stable) price on their biggest, newest, best ship in January.... New York or New Orleans or Galveston ? Limited itineraries is another focus. From New York and a lesser extent Baltimore they are confined to HMC, Bahamas, and Port Canaveral. They have begun experimenting with longer one ways but that is new and there is await and see attitude before more of the above. Sent from my iPad using Forums mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orison Posted September 20, 2014 #75 Share Posted September 20, 2014 I think its the winters in NYC...CCL has a hard time selling cabins in winter months at a decent margin. somehow, NCL and RCCL gets through it. Perhaps, bring Vista in NYC can change CCL luck? Carnival needs a destination ship to get through the winters. It sucks just waiting the first two and last 2 days and a half waiting for it to get warm outside all while watching Hasbro and Playbill, as well as bingo. Hopefully, Vista will fill that bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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