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SecretMe1465

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It's just a general statement about a very general cause of divorce. It's also one of the more basic ones. Too much focus on kids-not enough on marriage.

 

I have never met anyone or heard of anyone getting divorce because of their choice in annual family vacation. That is a new one.

 

In court papers does a person put as "cause" for the divorce "irreconcilable vacations"?????????:D

 

O.K. You are forgiven because you make me laugh!!!!!

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cruizinbabe

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Wow, and to think that early on in this thread I was said to have been mean and having said not nice things. I was kind of feeling bad about it, but I sure don't anymore. Everything I said was MILD compared to the bashing that has been going on in the last 4 pages. I hope you all enjoy bashing each other, because I for one am ready to give this one up and go onto a different thread.

 

One of the few things I agree with Secret about is that this sure has a lot of negativity for a board that is supposed to be about vacations!

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Folgy

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GREAT! Then stop telling people not to bring their kids on cruises! Nobody said it was OK to take a child in the hot tub. Nobody said it was OK to let a child take over a performance. MOST children and MOST parents, contrary to what you and Folgy, etc. say are NOT like that.

 

Barb

 

That was uncalled for and untrue in my case . I have maintained always that *some* *not all parents* allow the worst case senarios that we are upset about.

There are many good parents that are conciderate and insure their children obey the rules .

 

OK , on the other foot ....stop telling us to 'find an adult only cruise' or 'if we don't like it leave '

 

I certainly don't say " don't bring your kids on cruises' I do question however why would you or if you do be aware that not all adults find your childs antics as endearing as you do.

 

humpf! I am so insulted I feel like hitting the yellow triangle :rolleyes:

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JCSM-Mom

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It is not about the berth because the same ship will not charge me double just because I am in a room alone.

 

Really? I thought they charged double occupancy even if you booked single. I have a friend that was interested in crusing, but she's single and would want her own room, but we somehow got the idea she'd have to pay more than the standard fare per person.....

 

I'll have to look into that....

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PTarbay

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That was uncalled for and untrue in my case . I have maintained always that *some* *not all parents* allow the worst case senarios that we are upset about.

Whie I disagree with Folgy's point of view most of the time on kids he really has pointed out quite a few times he doesn't mean the comments to everyone.At first I was a little offended about the word poopaloopas after becoming familiar with his posts I realized it's kind of a long standing joke on this board.When one cruiserasked who exactly would be watching their children in the AO program I replied a man named Folgy.I might be wrong,it might have been someone else but I remember a post a while back where I think it was Folgy who said some nice things about a child he met.

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Onessa

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. . . I raised one child. I did the chaperoning, the boy scouts, the basketball booster parent club, catered award dinners, held sleepovers, pta officer, church choir mom, marching band escort, class parent, etc. I have done the entire 9 yards. My child has prospered and grown because I put his "growth" ahead of mine own personal "wants". We never went on a cruise. Instead, we did Disney World (a lot), Sesame Street, camping, Epcot Center and the like. . .

 

I've been to Disney, been to Epcot, been to Busch Gardens, et.al . . . I've seen a lot of unsupervised and/or mis-behaving children (and adults) at each of them. Kids on cruises are not the only ill-behaving kids out there. Parents who are "responsible" and take their children to these other venues are not all patron saints of parenting - some of them are irresponsible as well. A cruise is another family vacation opportunity.

 

As to the economics of cruising - it is not much different that Disney where a 12YO is an "adult" for admission purposes. If we extend the economics theory you presented, to six-flags, disneyworld et.al - most would be found to be just as guilty of "really" wanting just the adults, but "putting up" with the kids as a necessary evil :D . My point is I don't think RCCI's marketing philosophy is really built around a "oh well we have to include the kids" mind set. They publicly state and spend a lot of $$$ to try to attract families.

 

There are well behaved kids with responsible parents, just as there are well behaved adults, in almost any venue. There are also ill-behaved children who may have irresponsible parents, just as there are ill behaved adults. What I think we can ALL agree upon is that we'd all like to travel with the "well behaved" groups, rather than the "poorly behaved" groups.:)

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barbyma

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That was uncalled for and untrue in my case . I have maintained always that *some* *not all parents* allow the worst case senarios that we are upset about.

 

Folgy, I don't believe that comment was directed at you, but this thread has gotten so twisted, I'll have to go back and look. If it was, sorry.

 

OK , on the other foot ....stop telling us to 'find an adult only cruise' or 'if we don't like it leave '

 

You keep saying that, but I really don't believe I ever said that. In one particularly offensive thread I countered a post that said "I wish there was an adult-only dining option" with "There are: Portifinos & Chops".

 

You and others on that now defunct thread said that you didn't know why ANYONE would bring ANY child on a cruise. You did NOT qualify those statements to exclude well-bahaved children. THAT was offensive to those parents that actual DO parent.

 

Tell you what. If you don't generalize poor parenting and rotten behavior to all kids & parents, and I won't tell you to love it or leave it.

 

I certainly don't say " don't bring your kids on cruises' I do question however why would you or if you do be aware that not all adults find your childs antics as endearing as you do.

 

 

humpf! I am so insulted I feel like hitting the yellow triangle :rolleyes:

 

Go for it. But, I think you won't because something tells me you're enjoying this!;)

 

BarbyMA

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Nliedel

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Wow has this gotten out of hand.

 

Leslie: Felons are the fault of divorced parents and people divorce because they only focus on children? That's rich. People divorce for a lot of reasons. Further felons come from married homes and divorced homes. There is no "fromula" for making a felon.

 

Parents should not soley focus on their children to the detriments of themselves, that is not healthy however stating you know why people have divorced in a post on the internet is just the most laughable thing I have ever read.

 

Secret, I did not attack you. I took issue with something you said. There is a difference. I can talk to someone and question them and it is not an attack on any level. Cruise lines do market to children and it is not an accident. It helps their bottom line.

 

Painting someone as "unhappy" is, not arguable and has nothing to do with the discussion at hand.

 

I know some fabulous single parents. I also know some horrific people who are married and never should have had children. Parenting is not a one size fits all experience. There is no "one" or "right" way to parent.

 

This conversation was about making cruises educational for children. It was a good and decent conversation to assist people in planning a vacation that the whole family should enjoy. I have no desire to live 100% for my children but you know what? I am a darn good mother. I have made a lot of sacrafices for them and for my marriage and that is what parenting is about however I did not sign on to lose my personality for 20 years while I raised a family. To be the perfect cookie baking June Cleaver and only "think of the children". I also think children need to learn it is not all about them too.

 

My mom, and she was an amazing parent, baked cookies. She also vacationed with and without us, had her own interests, and, GASP, returned to work when I was 13. I will not be returning to full time employment. I am lucky to have that choice. There are, however, great parents who do and I am not going to sit in judgement of any of them. I miss adult conversation and adult interaction. That makes the day harder.

 

I also miss not having to make huge financial sacrafices to go on vacation. That's hard too. Am I the perfect parent? No I am not and that's OK cause there are not any out there that I have ever found.

 

Do I want a vacation that has it all? You betcha. I want a place for the kids and I to go and have good interaction as well as time apart for all of us. I want th entire family to have fun. I want adults only areas and kids only areas. I want family memories and I want memories of special times with Gene and that is a success not some cruise line failure.

 

A vacation to please the entire family, parents and children alike, makes no one bad or selfish. My parents did it every year. All our vacations included time for the kids and time for the adults. It is how I model my family vacations. We all get time to make our own special memories and that's fine.

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MIcruiser99

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This conversation was about making cruises educational for children.

 

I read the first post and did not see anything about making the cruise educational for children. I thought the whole point was to discuss whether you should or should not take a child on a cruise due to some unruly children.

 

I personally do not take my children but that is my choice. We need time away from our kids. The last cruise we were on, I did not even notice other kids so the parents must have been doing a good job:D .

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LeslieRN72

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Okay, I will stop with the sarcastic statements because they're just too hard to get.

 

I was not being serious. I was mocking and being sarcastic towards Secret because of her statements that because a child may behave poorly sometimes they will be future felons or FFs.

 

I was throwing back the same type of judgemental and blanket statements to make the point (which were meant to mock other statements by Secret). Obviously it was too hard to understand. I'll take them down a few notches so they can be understood better.

 

The truly serious and valid one is that a cruise is a great family vacation because it does offer more than just "kid stuff". It does offer Mom and Dad time to themselves as well. That is healthy for a marriage but it by no means will prevent a divorce.

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Folgy

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Something tells me you're just not a triangle kind of guy ;)

 

 

LOL ! ;) Your right . I might not agree , but I do respect the oposing teams right to post.

 

 

...No one ever wins these heated discussions , but it sure brings hours of entertainment. :D

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SecretMe1465

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I was not being serious. I was mocking and being sarcastic towards Secret because of her statements that because a child may behave poorly sometimes they will be future felons or FFs.

 

Your statements and misquotes are inflammatory and you do this entire board a disservice. Most people get curious about your responses to our "taken out of context" quotes, read the actual posts and see that you are just a bit over the top.

 

Let us discuss the subject at hand and stop generalizing about each other. This thread is not about one or two individuals. It is about the position of bringing a baby on board a cruiseship and what is required to successfully handle such.

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Mitur Benisderti

 

where do you get off, i hope to god your not on my cruise, i would train my "ankle biters" to go for the throat, i would encourage annoying behaviour just to watch your show.

 

i dont think its a vacation you deserve.

 

I'm sure you would be looking out for badly behaved children just so you could moan and point out pathetic parenting skills, you would'nt be happy if you met a well behaved child, because then you would have no reason to be miserable.

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Nliedel

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Okay, I will stop with the sarcastic statements because they're just too hard to get.

 

I was not being serious. I was mocking and being sarcastic towards Secret because of her statements that because a child may behave poorly sometimes they will be future felons or FFs.

 

I was throwing back the same type of judgemental and blanket statements to make the point (which were meant to mock other statements by Secret). Obviously it was too hard to understand. I'll take them down a few notches so they can be understood better.

 

The truly serious and valid one is that a cruise is a great family vacation because it does offer more than just "kid stuff". It does offer Mom and Dad time to themselves as well. That is healthy for a marriage but it by no means will prevent a divorce.

 

Rats. I love sarcasm but it's SO hard to convey on the internet! Sorry I missed it. It's funnier now! :o

 

I am embroiled in two "kids on cruises" dicussions and got this one mixed up with another one. Sorry about that. Carry on.

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