FIRELT5 Posted March 7, 2017 #1 Share Posted March 7, 2017 https://www.voyagereport.com/news/ntsb-speed-human-error-blamed-for-cruise-ship-collision/:eek: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tilliebob1919 Posted March 7, 2017 #2 Share Posted March 7, 2017 This is not recent. Sent from my iPhone using Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FIRELT5 Posted March 7, 2017 Author #3 Share Posted March 7, 2017 Obviously the incident wasn't recent, but the NTSB accident report was just issued. !! https://www.ntsb.gov/investigations/AccidentReports/Reports/MAB1706.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chengkp75 Posted March 7, 2017 #4 Share Posted March 7, 2017 Obviously the incident wasn't recent, but the NTSB accident report was just issued. !! https://www.ntsb.gov/investigations/AccidentReports/Reports/MAB1706.pdf Nothing earth shaking here, just an officer inexperienced with approach to this dock. An example of why and how simulator training is very effective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nybumpkin Posted March 8, 2017 #5 Share Posted March 8, 2017 Nothing earth shaking here, just an officer inexperienced with approach to this dock. An example of why and how simulator training is very effective.Cheng, are there many ports where the pilots turn over the conn to a staff captain? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorncroft Posted March 8, 2017 #6 Share Posted March 8, 2017 https://www.voyagereport.com/news/ntsb-speed-human-error-blamed-for-cruise-ship-collision/:eek: Says page not found. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The4Cruisers Posted March 8, 2017 #7 Share Posted March 8, 2017 Very interesting read. It gave great detail of the incident. I even learned a new nautical term, allision. Thanks for posting the link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swodog94 Posted March 8, 2017 #8 Share Posted March 8, 2017 Cheng, are there many ports where the pilots turn over the conn to a staff captain? I'll let the King Pointer talk to the civilian side. Navy ships never turn the conn over to pilots. A Conning Officer always issues the orders to the Helm, even if the Pilot is the one issuing the orders...and as a professional Mariner, you'd be foolish to ignore a competent Harbor Pilot. On the few occasion when we disregarded a Pilots orders, we fully complied with his intent. In every case, it was due to a pilot overseas who didn't understand how much power he really had available with a cruiser or destroyer engineering plant with all 4 engines on line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singlerail Posted March 8, 2017 #9 Share Posted March 8, 2017 Says page not found. delete the last portion of the link / eek: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sitzmark Posted March 8, 2017 #10 Share Posted March 8, 2017 King Pointer? Any relation to the Kings Pointer, formerly the Liberty Star? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
easyboy Posted March 8, 2017 #11 Share Posted March 8, 2017 Says page not found. Mine too, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chengkp75 Posted March 8, 2017 #12 Share Posted March 8, 2017 Cheng, are there many ports where the pilots turn over the conn to a staff captain? The Staff Captain is a licensed unlimited Master, just like the Captain, typically the only difference is that he is generally less experienced, particularly with the ship serving on at the time. Cruise ship Captains typically handle the controls (helm, throttle, thrusters) while docking under the pilot's orders (conn), and frequently "interpret" the pilot's orders before complying. Actually turning over the conn is somewhat common, but I don't know if there are more ports where "agreements" are in place. On the NCL ships in Hawaii, both the Captain and the Staff Captain have full pilotage for the ports, and the ships never take pilots. They also have a simulator console/monitor onboard so that the officers could practice approaches, docking and undocking using various combinations of propulsion, steering, and thrusters to simulate problems and weather conditions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chengkp75 Posted March 8, 2017 #13 Share Posted March 8, 2017 King Pointer? Any relation to the Kings Pointer, formerly the Liberty Star? The ex-Liberty Star is the current training vessel Kings Pointer at the USMMA. The PP was using the term "Kings Pointer" to refer to me, an alumnus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stargate fan Posted March 8, 2017 #14 Share Posted March 8, 2017 We were at the port in Baltimore waiting to embark the morning this happened. It was amazing that no one got hurt. I took some pretty cool pictures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cushing985 Posted March 8, 2017 #15 Share Posted March 8, 2017 Says page not found. Go to the home page and the article is there on the left...second one down. That link opens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havingfun2010 Posted March 8, 2017 #16 Share Posted March 8, 2017 Nothing new. Most people already guessed it that the person in charge, failed the parking test section and was allowed to drive the ship and ultimately crashed a ship, into the dock. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thephillykid Posted March 8, 2017 #17 Share Posted March 8, 2017 I'm sure that someone got fired for this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nybumpkin Posted March 8, 2017 #18 Share Posted March 8, 2017 I'll let the King Pointer talk to the civilian side. Navy ships never turn the conn over to pilots. A Conning Officer always issues the orders to the Helm, even if the Pilot is the one issuing the orders...and as a professional Mariner, you'd be foolish to ignore a competent Harbor Pilot. On the few occasion when we disregarded a Pilots orders, we fully complied with his intent. In every case, it was due to a pilot overseas who didn't understand how much power he really had available with a cruiser or destroyer engineering plant with all 4 engines on line. The Staff Captain is a licensed unlimited Master, just like the Captain, typically the only difference is that he is generally less experienced, particularly with the ship serving on at the time. Cruise ship Captains typically handle the controls (helm, throttle, thrusters) while docking under the pilot's orders (conn), and frequently "interpret" the pilot's orders before complying. Actually turning over the conn is somewhat common, but I don't know if there are more ports where "agreements" are in place. On the NCL ships in Hawaii, both the Captain and the Staff Captain have full pilotage for the ports, and the ships never take pilots. They also have a simulator console/monitor onboard so that the officers could practice approaches, docking and undocking using various combinations of propulsion, steering, and thrusters to simulate problems and weather conditions. Thanks to both of you! I have a photo of oldest son at the conn on his destroyer a few years ago (not docking) - a very pensive look on his face. His CO was standing directly behind him, as it turns out.;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pratzert Posted March 8, 2017 #19 Share Posted March 8, 2017 Does anyone know who the Captain & Staff Captains were on this voyage ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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