Casino at Seas Rated Play for Comp cruises

[rbt001]

Yes, in May I was on the Epic and had a total loss of 300$ but earned 5000 points all on slots so 25,000 coin in.

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The life of a solo cruiser with CAS isn’t so bad.

 

 

Impressive play for slots. And you would agree, especially for a ship, not the norm?

[sjbdtz]

Coming back to the Average Daily Theo, each game has an expected house edge.

 

 

Let's use two table games as comparisons:

 

 

The house edge in Three Card Poker is 3.37% on the Ante and 7.28% on the Pairplus. Let's assume the player bets both equally, for an average house edge of 5.325%.

Let It Ride, has a house edge of 3.71%

https://wizardofodds.com/gambling/house-edge/

3 card poker is also a slightly faster game, as there is one fewer round of player interaction per hand. So if TCP plays 45 hands/hour, I'd estimate that LIR would be around 40.

Our player plays $100 / hand, on each game, and plays for 2 hours per day.

So the theoretical loss is the House Edge for the game, x the amount of time played x the number of hands per hour x the amount bet.

TCP: 0.05325 x 2hrs x 45 hands x $100 = $479.25 in theoretical losses.

LIR: 0.0371 x 2 hrs x 40 hands x $100 = $296.80 in theoretical losses.

So you'd need 2 hrs / day for 5 days at $100/hand on TCP to hit the $2500 loss level. Or 4 hours at $50, etc.

 

 

That's how it was explained to me. The same applies to slot machines. Some are looser than others - the casino knows the payout % (sometimes its even posted), and applies the same calculations.

 

Stephen

 

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Is getting rated just making sure to give them your Player's Club card when you buy in?

 

Also, in a game with a low house edge like Craps (I play a Pass Line with max Odds and usually place the 6 and 8) going to yield a significantly lower rating if I'm only playing an hour or two a night?

 

Per the link above, Pass is 1.41% and 6,8 is 1.52%. Plug those numbers, your bet, and the amount of time into the formulas above.

 

 

Stephen

 

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[Moby0215]

Per the link above, Pass is 1.41% and 6,8 is 1.52%. Plug those numbers, your bet, and the amount of time into the formulas above.

 

 

 

 

 

Stephen

 

 

 

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This can certainly help someone gauge what the are likely to lose. However it is not that simple when a casino calculates one’s ADT. There are many other variables. For instance, someone who only played 1 hour will not have the same ADT as someone who played 5 hours a day for 7 days.

 

 

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[Nelsj099]

Impressive play for slots. And you would agree, especially for a ship, not the norm?

 

Not the norm. There were a lot of American's on board so the casino was busy and there are two boarding days on that cruise both of which I got ahead on then played it back during the rest of the cruise. I have not done that well on any of my other trips this year.

[Beach Life 1]

I'm still confused as to how they determine if you are eligible for a discount, or a free cruise. If you were to earn 15,000 points, it may only, in reality, be 8,000 points, because they take off theoretical losses. So, what they are basing it on, is, although you received 15,000 points, on say, slot machines, theoretically, you didn't actually lose that much because, while playing, you won some money along the way. Is this correct? If so, what would 8,000 in points get you? Also, does it depend on who you talk to at CAS, when inquiring about booking a cruise. Do different agents have more lee way as to what they will give you? Thanks

[Nelsj099]

I'm still confused as to how they determine if you are eligible for a discount, or a free cruise. If you were to earn 15,000 points, it may only, in reality, be 8,000 points, because they take off theoretical losses. So, what they are basing it on, is, although you received 15,000 points, on say, slot machines, theoretically, you didn't actually lose that much because, while playing, you won some money along the way. Is this correct? If so, what would 8,000 in points get you? Also, does it depend on who you talk to at CAS, when inquiring about booking a cruise. Do different agents have more lee way as to what they will give you? Thanks

 

 

 

With 5000 points they were able to comp my next two cruises. I cruise almost exclusively in Europe. They did this based on play with an actual loss of 300$ they decided that it was worth it for them to have me back. Trust me it has paid off for them. I definitely spent more than my cruise fair on those cruises.

 

At 2500 points you get free drinks in the casino and would have 25$ cash value to spend in the casino.

 

At 5000 points they will close your casino account at the end of the cruise. I have had them comp between 125 and 250 off of my stateroom bill. 3 cruises this year I earned 5000 points. The last one I earned 6000 similar results. It depends on what you spent money on. The more you spend while on board the more they can comp. if you Prepay everything then you won’t be able to get as many comps as they can’t comp DSC for example.

 

At 15000 points the benefits start on your next cruise with no fees to withdraw money off your stateroom, 200 in OBC plus comps based on play.

 

 

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[rbt001]

I'm still confused as to how they determine if you are eligible for a discount, or a free cruise. If you were to earn 15,000 points, it may only, in reality, be 8,000 points, because they take off theoretical losses. So, what they are basing it on, is, although you received 15,000 points, on say, slot machines, theoretically, you didn't actually lose that much because, while playing, you won some money along the way. Is this correct? If so, what would 8,000 in points get you? Also, does it depend on who you talk to at CAS, when inquiring about booking a cruise. Do different agents have more lee way as to what they will give you? Thanks

 

To avoid confusion, I'd suggest you just focus on your points earned rather than the more technical "theoretical losses" because at the end of the day, you'll never figure it out exactly as the particular casino calculates it.

 

On NCL, if you earn 15,000 points from slot play, then you've pushed through the machines $75,000. You're gonna get something!

 

Setting aside an occasional BIG WIN, remember that what you end up getting with comps will be less than what you've spend in the casino.

 

A big slot win has no impact upon your comps for the simple reason that anyone who plays long enough will eventually lose.

[Beach Life 1]

With 5000 points they were able to comp my next two cruises. I cruise almost exclusively in Europe. They did this based on play with an actual loss of 300$ they decided that it was worth it for them to have me back. Trust me it has paid off for them. I definitely spent more than my cruise fair on those cruises.

 

At 2500 points you get free drinks in the casino and would have 25$ cash value to spend in the casino.

 

At 5000 points they will close your casino account at the end of the cruise. I have had them comp between 125 and 250 off of my stateroom bill. 3 cruises this year I earned 5000 points. The last one I earned 6000 similar results. It depends on what you spent money on. The more you spend while on board the more they can comp. if you Prepay everything then you won’t be able to get as many comps as they can’t comp DSC for example.

 

At 15000 points the benefits start on your next cruise with no fees to withdraw money off your stateroom, 200 in OBC plus comps based on play.

 

Thanks for your quick reply. I pretty much get how the comps work, as far as what they give you off your bill, and different tiers. I'm just confused as to how they compute the point amount, and how they decide what category cabin they will give you.

[Nelsj099]

I sometimes get balconies sometimes inside rooms. I have no idea.

 

 

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[Beach Life 1]

I guess there's no sure way to figure it all out. We always play in the casino, and always book through them. Like you said, sometimes we are offered different categories of cabins. It all depends on the time of year and cruises. In the long run, I guess it doesn't matter. We enjoy the casino, so even if we didn't get free cabins, we'd be in there anyway, lol. It's just nice to know what you may be able get, and how they figure it out. Thanks everyone for your quick responses. And, Good Luck on your next cruise.

[rbt001]

I guess there's no sure way to figure it all out. We always play in the casino, and always book through them. Like you said, sometimes we are offered different categories of cabins. It all depends on the time of year and cruises. In the long run, I guess it doesn't matter. We enjoy the casino, so even if we didn't get free cabins, we'd be in there anyway, lol. It's just nice to know what you may be able get, and how they figure it out. Thanks everyone for your quick responses. And, Good Luck on your next cruise.

 

Since you stated that you always play in the casino, then if you mean on NCL, then call and speak with a host on land at the CAS number found on the website. Tell them what cruises you're interested in sailing on and approximately when, ask them what you may be eligible for based upon your play. They will give you options. You can always ask for something specific, and if you're play doesn't entitle you to it, they'll tell you what you are entitled to as an alternative.

[Moby0215]

I'm still confused as to how they determine if you are eligible for a discount, or a free cruise. If you were to earn 15,000 points, it may only, in reality, be 8,000 points, because they take off theoretical losses. So, what they are basing it on, is, although you received 15,000 points, on say, slot machines, theoretically, you didn't actually lose that much because, while playing, you won some money along the way. Is this correct? If so, what would 8,000 in points get you? Also, does it depend on who you talk to at CAS, when inquiring about booking a cruise. Do different agents have more lee way as to what they will give you? Thanks

 

 

 

A comp is not based on how many points you have accumulated. Points are what determine your tier.

 

Comps are based on your average daily theoretical loss, of which multiple people (including me) already tried to explain. Basically the casino has mathematical formulas they use to determine (with great precision) what they expect to make off of you for any given day.

 

So if that amount exceeds the value of what they are comping then it is likely you will receive the comp.

 

 

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[rbt001]

A comp is not based on how many points you have accumulated. Points are what determine your tier.

 

Comps are based on your average daily theoretical loss, of which multiple people (including me) already tried to explain. Basically the casino has mathematical formulas they use to determine (with great precision) what they expect to make off of you for any given day.

 

So if that amount exceeds the value of what they are comping then it is likely you will receive the comp.

 

 

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Still, points earned have a direct correlation to theo. It also explains why casinos will require twice the bet at video poker to earn the same amount of points at a slot machine.

 

Yes, points determine tier levels... and benefits which are usually something comped, such as the convenience fee, drinks, internet minutes, etc.

 

Underlying that point scale is theo, hence the correlation.

 

Points are easier for players to understand

 

And remember, comps and benefits are NOT based upon your ACTUAL wins/losses. So if you play your heart out, earn 15,000 points and then hit a really big jackpot that recovers your losses and puts you ahead, you will receive comps based upon all that play.

 

Another reason casinos will steer a conversation towards points rather then theo is earning points and getting more points to earn more comps and benefits.... stating it like that... takes the conversation away from the one word they prefer you not dwell upon: "loss."

[Moby0215]

Still, points earned have a direct correlation to theo. It also explains why casinos will require twice the bet at video poker to earn the same amount of points at a slot machine.

 

 

 

Yes, points determine tier levels... and benefits which are usually something comped, such as the convenience fee, drinks, internet minutes, etc.

 

 

 

Underlying that point scale is theo, hence the correlation.

 

 

 

Points are easier for players to understand

 

 

 

And remember, comps and benefits are NOT based upon your ACTUAL wins/losses. So if you play your heart out, earn 15,000 points and then hit a really big jackpot that recovers your losses and puts you ahead, you will receive comps based upon all that play.

 

 

 

Another reason casinos will steer a conversation towards points rather then theo is earning points and getting more points to earn more comps and benefits.... stating it like that... takes the conversation away from the one word they prefer you not dwell upon: "loss."

 

 

 

I agree there is a correlation however I disagree that the correlation is direct. It is an indirect correlation. Two people with the same tier points can have significantly different ADT. Someone who plays only once a year and earns 10,000 points will have a different tier than someone who plays once a week and has the same 10,000 points. That’s the point I was trying to make.

 

 

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[BirdTravels]

On NCL, if you earn 15,000 points from slot play, then you've pushed through the machines $75,000. You're gonna get something!

Interesting theory, but incorrect. You can rack up a lot of points with a one night binge, but without consistent, sufficient hours over the cruise to establish your theoreticals for the next cruise, they may not offer you anything on your next cruise.

[kabbpres]

Interesting theory, but incorrect. You can rack up a lot of points with a one night binge, but without consistent, sufficient hours over the cruise to establish your theoreticals for the next cruise, they may not offer you anything on your next cruise.

Thanks for all the info. I have another question. So sometimes I play two machines at the same time, how do you think that timed played is calculated?

 

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[Tooltime58]

I have played in casinos for NCL and when I book cruises I book through the casino and I will get a great deal or free cruise

 

 

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[Moby0215]

Thanks for all the info. I have another question. So sometimes I play two machines at the same time, how do you think that timed played is calculated?

 

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It would be similar to if you played one machine but higher denomination.

 

 

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[VideoTech]

I sometimes get balconies sometimes inside rooms. I have no idea.

 

 

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Your play history on your previous cruise is one thing that determines this. But the comps also vary based on the popularity of the cruise ship and itinerary. There are fewer cabins available to CAS on more popular cruises.

[VideoTech]

Thanks for all the info. I have another question. So sometimes I play two machines at the same time, how do you think that timed played is calculated?

 

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Your "coin in" goes up (i.e. you are doubling your bets) but your time played remains the same.

[VideoTech]

Thanks for all the info. I have another question. So sometimes I play two machines at the same time, how do you think that timed played is calculated?

 

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Also, and this is important: If you can afford to play two machines at the same time, but are playing less than max bet on each one, you are not doing yourself any favors. You should always play max bet to maximize any jackpots you might receive. Better to play one machine at max bet, than two machines at less than max.