Rare notamermaid Posted November 15, 2023 Author #751 Share Posted November 15, 2023 Maxau gauge has just reached 750cm. notamermaid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare notamermaid Posted November 15, 2023 Author #752 Share Posted November 15, 2023 River traffic around Maxau is suspended as confirmed by news reports. notamermaid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piginmud Posted November 15, 2023 #753 Share Posted November 15, 2023 We got off Viking Einar today. The captain had to stop sailing to Basel & turn around. We disembarked in Breisach & they bussed us to Basel. Luckily it was the last night if our trip. Our Program Director got on the loud speaker to every room at 11pm last night to inform us of the change of plans because we needed to disembark an hour earlier than expected. All the new passengers were in the Hyperion Hotel waiting to get bussed to Breisach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare notamermaid Posted November 15, 2023 Author #754 Share Posted November 15, 2023 29 minutes ago, piginmud said: We got off Viking Einar today. Thank you for the info. I hope you have very much enjoyed your cruise. The forecast has been adjusted and it looks as if Maxau will now peak below 800cm. This could happen during the night so with a bit of luck ships will be able to sail again tomorrow evening in the stretch from Iffezheim to Germersheim. The blue markers mean high water levels: notamermaid 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare notamermaid Posted November 16, 2023 Author #755 Share Posted November 16, 2023 (edited) Basel-Rheinhalle gauge is well done again but obviously the river is still carrying a high volume of water with Lake Constance well above the mean. River traffic has resumed. Maxau peaked at 805cm this morning and is slowly going down now (798cm). The situation is a little worse than what the forecast suggested last night so it is not clear when and if river traffic will resume during the night. The wave will be going through the Rhine Gorge later today. From the Moselle we hear that after the situation calmed yesterday, the authorities do anticipate a rise at Trier that may bring the level to 700m. The ban on river traffic is triggered at a level of 695cm. notamermaid Edited November 16, 2023 by notamermaid added info 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare notamermaid Posted November 16, 2023 Author #756 Share Posted November 16, 2023 6 hours ago, notamermaid said: a rise at Trier that may bring the level to 700m Sorry, that would be a tad high... 700cm. 6 hours ago, notamermaid said: Maxau peaked at 805cm this morning and is slowly going down now (798cm). Current figure at Maxau is 782cm so going down at a reasonable speed. It is currently raining in the Upper and Middle Rhine valley again. notamermaid 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare notamermaid Posted November 16, 2023 Author #757 Share Posted November 16, 2023 The level at Maxau is still too high, 769cm. notamermaid 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonriver54 Posted November 16, 2023 #758 Share Posted November 16, 2023 This has been quite fascinating. It's hard to believe that just one month ago we were all concerned about 80cm of LOW WATER at Kaub in the Rhine Gorge. Any idea what the current water level at Kaub is? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare notamermaid Posted November 16, 2023 Author #759 Share Posted November 16, 2023 Kaub is at 422cm: That is high but not flooding. Kaub will continue to rise throughout Friday. notamermaid 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonriver54 Posted November 16, 2023 #760 Share Posted November 16, 2023 4 minutes ago, notamermaid said: Kaub is at 422cm: That is high but not flooding. Kaub will continue to rise throughout Friday. notamermaid Wow. So for those of us Yanks who operate on feet and inches...80cm at Kaub (a month ago) = 2.62'. The chart above shows 422cm at Kaub given the latest rainfall. 422cm = 13.85'. What level at Kaub would be considered flood stage? At what level is shipping stopped in the Rhine Gorge? Or is that decision left up to the vessel's Captain? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare notamermaid Posted November 17, 2023 Author #761 Share Posted November 17, 2023 Stages are M_I at 460cm and M_II at 640cm for navigational purposes. Statistical mean flooding is at 544cm. Shipping is halted at 640cm. The markers are on the wall: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pegel_Kaub#/media/Datei:PegelKaubRhein.JPG notamermaid 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonriver54 Posted November 17, 2023 #762 Share Posted November 17, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, notamermaid said: Stages are M_I at 460cm and M_II at 640cm for navigational purposes. Statistical mean flooding is at 544cm. Shipping is halted at 640cm. The markers are on the wall: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pegel_Kaub#/media/Datei:PegelKaubRhein.JPG notamermaid So shipping is shut down at Kaub in the Rhine Gorge at 640cm = 21'. That's a LOT of water. Can you give us any idea how often the Rhine at Kaub has reached 640cm? We did an Avalon Waterways Danube cruise last May when water levels were quite high given all the rain they'd had. We took the Passau, Germany guided city tour and were VERY impressed with the numerous hi-water flood level markings, by year, painted upon the many buildings we passed. I've attached a photo below. Edited November 17, 2023 by moonriver54 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare notamermaid Posted November 17, 2023 Author #763 Share Posted November 17, 2023 11 hours ago, moonriver54 said: Can you give us any idea how often the Rhine at Kaub has reached 640cm? Sorry, no idea. I only know it does not happen every year. Could try a bit of research but that would take time and is for another day. Bad news from Maxau. Due to the continued rain the level has not dropped enough. River traffic remains suspended. Does not look good for the weekend... Koblenz has closed the parking lots along the river bank(s). To say it in a photo: Look who is thirsty. A Viking river cruise ship is getting fuel. Basel remains on M_I; Worms, Mainz, Koblenz and Cologne are all on M_I now. That is extra vigilance and further navigational measures. Only Maxau is on M_II, i.e. river traffic ban. It is a drab, grey and rainy day today. Typical November weather and it is getting colder but no snow for the valleys, just the high mountains. notamermaid 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare notamermaid Posted November 17, 2023 Author #764 Share Posted November 17, 2023 Updated police report says the German-French authorities at Gambsheim - responsible for the Iffezheim lock and the area - are investigating the captain for drink driving. The lock incident is getting a new dimension. notamermaid 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare notamermaid Posted November 17, 2023 Author #765 Share Posted November 17, 2023 About the question of historical data at Kaub. The website I have consulted in the past has deleted the historical data pages. So I used another one which is actually a bit more straightforward but does not have as many years and therefore I have exhausted my archive. Here is what I have been able to find: Kaub equalling or exceeding 640cm in: January 2011 June 2013 January 2018 February 2021 Kaub gauge is most likely to peak below 560cm on Monday. notamermaid 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare notamermaid Posted November 17, 2023 Author #766 Share Posted November 17, 2023 The markings on the old crane, now the Pegelhaus, in Koblenz: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hochwasserschutz_Koblenz#/media/Datei:PegelmarkenRheinkranHäuschen.jpg Historical markings are in almost every village and town along the Rhine and Moselle (and other rivers probably). Here is a gentleman standing next to one, an elaborate bronze scale: https://www.swr.de/swraktuell/rheinland-pfalz/hochwasser-rhein-mosel-nebenfluesse-pegel-schifffahrt-regen-wetter-100.html Just in case the photo changes: That is an interesting shot... I will elaborate with a bit more time. notamermaid 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonriver54 Posted November 17, 2023 #767 Share Posted November 17, 2023 34 minutes ago, notamermaid said: About the question of historical data at Kaub. The website I have consulted in the past has deleted the historical data pages. So I used another one which is actually a bit more straightforward but does not have as many years and therefore I have exhausted my archive. Here is what I have been able to find: Kaub equalling or exceeding 640cm in: January 2011 June 2013 January 2018 February 2021 Kaub gauge is most likely to peak below 560cm on Monday. notamermaid Thank you very much. That's a much more frequent occurrence of exceeding 640cm than I would've expected. And during the summer no less...not winter...in 2013. Very interesting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare notamermaid Posted November 17, 2023 Author #768 Share Posted November 17, 2023 4 minutes ago, moonriver54 said: in 2013 The devastating flooding on the Danube in that summer... On the Rhine things were bad but not quite as bad. notamermaid 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonriver54 Posted November 17, 2023 #769 Share Posted November 17, 2023 2 hours ago, notamermaid said: The devastating flooding on the Danube in that summer... On the Rhine things were bad but not quite as bad. notamermaid Look at the photo of Passau during the 2013 Danube flood. Wow. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_European_floods Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare notamermaid Posted November 17, 2023 Author #770 Share Posted November 17, 2023 Yup, as I said, it was bad. This was 2013 at Passau: I have not come across such a graph for Kaub on the internet. Data is collected for Maxau though. Most graphs are for discharge, not level. notamermaid 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doh15 Posted November 17, 2023 #771 Share Posted November 17, 2023 So I assume this is nothing to actively be concerned about if we are leaving from Basel in December (that is, it is all so unpredictable there’s no point in worrying) or do you think the situation is likely to be better or worse in another month? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare notamermaid Posted November 17, 2023 Author #772 Share Posted November 17, 2023 32 minutes ago, Doh15 said: So I assume this is nothing to actively be concerned about if we are leaving from Basel in December (that is, it is all so unpredictable there’s no point in worrying) or do you think the situation is likely to be better or worse in another month? Good question. All speculation at this point but one is allowed to speculate... Most likely the situation will ease, the river hardly ever stays high for a prolonged period. Three days of no rain will bring the river right down again, that is to a high but comfortable level. And the long-term forecast suggests the easing of the situation within five days. This does not mean it will not rain but overall the weather will be more favourable. notamermaid 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare notamermaid Posted November 17, 2023 Author #773 Share Posted November 17, 2023 I do not want to go on about it, but I think we can all agree that the incident is major and more than a bit annoying... Deutsche Welle finds it noteworthy and important enough to write an English article. Helmsman (woman), not captain, when the accident happened: https://www.dw.com/en/germany-drunk-rhine-ship-pilot-causes-major-gate-damage/a-67460489 There was talk in the police report of this potentially having an impact on the licence to steer a ship. notamermaid 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canal archive Posted November 18, 2023 #774 Share Posted November 18, 2023 Thank you Notamermaid. This woman has let the side down enormously. The lengths any bridge crew of any vessel have to go through to gain a licence thrown away like that. After all it’s not like your foot slipping off a pedal etc. I’m not surprised about the lock gates needing to be individually constructed how they fit and work is almost an exact science but water is strong and moulds structures to its specifications not ours, so in this instance it will be measure once and again and again until your nearly there and then giggle in situ. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotherDaughterTravels Posted November 18, 2023 #775 Share Posted November 18, 2023 (edited) Thanks for the very timely updates, Noto. Heading to Nuremberg to Amsterdam but via the Main and Rhine Rivers in 2 weeks. So reading your updates with keen interest. Thanks again, Laurie christmas markets rhine and main.pdf Edited November 18, 2023 by MotherDaughterTravels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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