Do you think jeans are appropriate aboard Cunard

[imacruizer]

Karie, from one Southern Daddy's little girl to another, I am certainly thinking of you during this difficult time. In the South, we never outgrow being our Daddy's little girl do we. That Father-Daughter bond is unique. And my Daddy is 96 - and a wonderful example of growing old gracefully!!!

 

It would be bad enough to have the problems with your Father, but to also have the job uncertainty is almost too much. I know I speak for everyone on Cruise Critic who enjoys your delightful posts, that we wish you the best in both situations. Please do keep us posted.

 

Beth

[ladymacwilly]

Karie,

 

Keep the faith going. Maybe going to see your dad right now would be good for both of you. :o I was going to say to tell him there are some strangers out there wishing him the best but then I figured we might scare him, thinking there's strange people he's not even aware of lurking about. :eek:

 

All my best to you and def. keep us posted.

 

Oh yes, and you may borrow my denim ballgown with the plunging studded neckline anytime. I think it would be perfect for the 4th of July party accessorised with a Lady Liberty hat made out of white, plastic, forks with red jelly-beans on the tines. :D

[travel-to-go]

Beth and Lady Mac,

Thank you for your kind thoughts. I finally talked to the nurse, explained the situation (You need a PIN to talk to medical staff, which his wife didsn't seem apt to provide) She had gone through the same with her mother. So she walked into Dad's room, gave him the PIN, told him to give it to me (if he wanted to) and transferred the phone to him!

I got to speak to him, which made me feel a little better. I think I will try to go down there in a few weeks. They really want him to concentrate on therapy- 6 hours a day. Now that I can talk to staff, and occasionally talk to him (He has a hard time hearing on the phone) I feel better. I also gave him the ol' guilt trip about how I just couldn't handle it if anything happened to him, and how he had to try, for me. Hopefully, this will have an affect. I will talk to him again. Yes, there is definitely a special bond between Southern Daddies and their daughters.

 

Lady MW, That chapeau sounds simply marvelous with that ensemble. However, I am on the Labor day, not 4th of July cruise. Perhaps I could go as Mother Jones? (Matron of the labor movement way back when)

 

BTW, It's official. I have been "surplused" They negotiatied 60 days for me instead of the usual 30 days. And the clock starts ticking NEXT Friday. However. I am certain I will land on my feet. The Regional HR manager is so convinced of my value to the company, he has gone to HQ HR to see if they can find a way to move my position, whole, to the deparment I SHOULD be under, since the only problem is a technician (me) does not belong in a sales group. We tried to make the point in the meeting, that although I DO bring value to his department (without a reliable network, and someone to fix things when they break, he has nothing to SELL) if he was willing to give up the "body" he should be willing to give up the "head count" from his budget and transfer the money to one of the departments who would gladly take me! All I know is I'm not canceling my Labor Day trip! <G> If worst comes to worst, there are other things I could do within the company, and I've already had offers. Maybe for less money, or different working conditions. But most agree it would be a shame to lose me in exactly the position I am, today, which is unique in the whole country. (I say they need more of me in other regions! I fill a very strong need. Business today is so obsessed with paring labor costs, that sometimes they do things which are counter-productive)

 

Karie,

who is happy to have such wonderful, delightful friends, some of whom I have not yet had the joy of meeting in person!

[mariaemp675@hotmail.com]

Hey Karie,

Felt better today and had to respond ASAP to your post.

 

Your Dad will surely pick himself up now that he has heard from you. As others have said before. Daddies respond when their little girls lay down the law.

 

As for your attire for the Labor Day cruise. Well the plunging neckline I think is fabu. But didn't you wear a do rag on Pirates night? I seem to have a (blackmail) picture if anyone is interested.

 

Maria - who is looking for her own plunging neckline for Labor Day.

[pnhmrk]

BTW, It's official. I have been "surplussed"

 

Karrie - you're not surplus here yet! (and by the sound of it not quiet at work either). Remember, when you need a break, think of your happier times with Cunard.

[coy860]

"Your father is quite right, my dear. Those were the days. Years ago the scrubbers were cleaning the decks; now they are all dining in the Britannia Restaurant! The country's going to the dogs, don't you know?"

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My dear, I have never been a "scrubber", but I shall be dining in the Britannia for the entire World Cruise starting January 10,2007.

Posts like yours do nothing to attract clients to Cunard.

My spouse and I worked hard all our lives and earned what we have.

Personally, I would prefer Brittania to either Queens Grill or Princess Grill. It is better to quarantine your kind of snobbery.

How can you bear to rub elbows with riff raff in the Casino or other public rooms?

[travel-to-go]

Karrie - you're not surplus here yet! (and by the sound of it not quiet at work either). Remember, when you need a break, think of your happier times with Cunard.

 

<LOL>

AH, the key word is YET!

And was that typo or do you know me better than I thought you did? <G>

 

"Not QUIET at work either!

 

Karie,

who rarely gets accuse of being too quiet!

(P.S. Thanks all! You're the best!)

[travel-to-go]

"Your father is quite right, my dear. Those were the days. Years ago the scrubbers were cleaning the decks; now they are all dining in the Britannia Restaurant! The country's going to the dogs, don't you know?"

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My dear, I have never been a "scrubber", but I shall be dining in the Britannia for the entire World Cruise starting January 10,2007.

Posts like yours do nothing to attract clients to Cunard.

My spouse and I worked hard all our lives and earned what we have.

Personally, I would prefer Brittania to either Queens Grill or Princess Grill. It is better to quarantine your kind of snobbery.

How can you bear to rub elbows with riff raff in the Casino or other public rooms?

 

Oh dear! It seems I missed a few posts over the last few days!

Coy- I do believe, based on past posts, that our friend SFT was making light, not criticizing. I believe he is (psst-) one of US- Not a snob, but an anti-snob, Making fun of those who really DO feel that way! Satire, unfortunately, can often get easily misconstrued. I, for one would be mighty proud if any of my relatives or ancestors worked hard at honest labor to now have thier antecedants or offspring enjoy the fruits of that labor from the opposite end of the broom handle- No wait. That Sounds like someone is swatting at me as I run errant down the hall. Well, you know what I mean. My Grandfather on my mother's side was an REA Electrician. Dad's Dad I think ran a farm and owned a little property (He died when I was 2)

 

Texwell- Carol Marlowe is the CEO of Cunard- known for turning a cliched marketing phrase and touting the (sometimes not totally on the mark) virtues of the line- Much has been said about her propensity for extollling the historic virtues and the grand nature, such as the sail out of Manhattan, even as she gets further from her history, becoming a mass market line instead of a Grand Dame of cruising and crossing,

 

Atticus, where can I get one of those bikinis. I can't manage to find one of those over here in a 3X. Watch what you throw overboard. There are rules about that at sea, you know. And for heavens sake, don't do it in Canada! Cunard is already in trouble for jettisoning detritus in Canadian waters!

 

Okay True story. On my first Cunard cruise, we went up to the pool deck. (Crown Jewel) there was an approximately 350 pound passenger in a teeny bikini, doing cannonballs into the spa! I was a bit taken aback! (Speakng of backs, his was covered with hair and zits) The more I thought about it, the more I thought- "Gee, he is not here to impress me, and he certainly looks like he his having the time of his life! I wish I had his guts (well, I think I DO have his GUT! though AFAIK, my back is not hairy! <LOL> <EEEW!>) and his joie de vivre. I don't take myself as seriously as I used to, and although I try to dress to my "best" advantage, there is not the bathing suit made which will cover my sins! I hope no one would suggest that I not be allowed to swim or appear in public! Cause I'll SIT on 'em if they do! <SG> (that would be a SWEET grin!) Truly, in a different world, I might not mind being a nudist! Well, except when hot soup is being served. Just think. No arguements about whether one is wearing one's formal wrinkles or not! (Though I suppose we'd have to don body paint for those who can't stand to NOT make a contest out of everything, as to who is better than whom!)

 

Karie, who take all of this lightly, and knows I am unlikely to change people's opinions and ingrained prejudices and if you don't like the way I look, Well, then don't look!

[Texwell]

Texwell- Carol Marlowe is the CEO of Cunard- known for turning a cliched marketing phrase and touting the (sometimes not totally on the mark) virtues of the line- Much has been said about her propensity for extollling the historic virtues and the grand nature, such as the sail out of Manhattan, even as she gets further from her history, becoming a mass market line instead of a Grand Dame of cruising and crossing,

 

Karie, who take all of this lightly, and knows I am unlikely to change people's opinions and ingrained prejudices and if you don't like the way I look, Well, then don't look!

 

Karie, thanks for enlightening me about Carol Marlowe. I was beginning to think that I had made a terrible faux pas by asking who she is - wouldn't want to offend the oh-so-proper folks! :)

[NoPiratesPlease]

So I haven't been on Cruise Critic since Hector was a pup, and this is what I find.

 

Folks, Stacey and Clinton have their jobs locked up on "What Not To Wear" for the forseeable future!

 

The answer to the question is simple: During the day, and going on shore excursions, jeans, shorts, whatever, are perfectly acceptable. At night, if you want to wear jeans, go to the cafeteria, not the restaurants.

 

But let me tell you a story: At our wedding, my wife's uncle and aunt came VERY casually dressed. He wore a sweater and slacks, she was in a simple dress she'd wear to the supermarket.

 

Were we insulted? No! Why?

 

Well, you see the airline had mis-placed their luggage and they had a choice: go to the airport and fight with the airline, or come to our wedding. Of course, coming to our wedding was the right choice.

 

So sometimes you don't always know why some isn't dressed to the nines.

 

The IMPOSSIBLE snobbery on the QE2 the last time we were on board was intolerable. We were in the top-of-the-line cabin in QG and STILL were treated like American riff-raff by too many of the staff. That was 4 years ago and was the last time we were on QE2.

 

This discussion of hats is equally provincial. Would you object to a Jewish man wearing a yarmulke, or a Moslem or Sikh wearing a turban? All are hats. How about a child who's chemo caused his hair to fall out?

 

Our last Cunard cruise was on the Caronia (what a WONDERFUL ship, what a WONDERFUL staff). But Cunard made it very unpleasant for us to book on her, making it clear at the time that UK bookings were preferred to US bookings, even for the top cabins.

 

Then, of course, they sold Caronia to Saga, and we were done with Cunard.

 

Now I hear all the snobs "sniffing" about how other people should dress and I don't miss it, not one bit. At least Stacey and Clinton do it with panache!

[travel-to-go]

So I haven't been on Cruise Critic since Hector was a pup, and this is what I find.

 

Folks, Stacey and Clinton have their jobs locked up on "What Not To Wear" for the forseeable future!

Now I hear all the snobs "sniffing" about how other people should dress and I don't miss it, not one bit. At least Stacey and Clinton do it with panache!

NPP,

Hear, hear! I think you have stated succinctly what most of us here actually feel, but are afraid to voice, for fear of those relative few who want to turn a cruise or a crossing into a tyrany. So many of the rest of us bleating sheep, go along to get along, exclaiming over the emperors lovely (and formal) new clothes. Until the innocent amongst us shouts from the crowd, "Daddy, why is the Emperor naked?"

 

There are two things I would beg to differ with you about. The first is your declaration of no pirates. While more a serving wench than a true pirate, I had a marvelous time acting up and actng out at the pirates' ball. And the second thing?

 

Give, at least, the QM2 a second chance. The atmosphere on there is not at all like you fear, This is just some people talking. THAT (being aboard her) , OTOH, is people LIVING! It's much more difficult to keep up the veneer of holier (or snobbier) than thou when one is as filled with marvel, wonder and glee at every movement, every glimpse of the sea out the window, every gourmet morsel enjoyed, and pub trivia game played.

 

Trust me. It's not like that! Give her (and us!) another chance! Like the last (newby) poster- I guarantee you will love her and us, or you first drink (when we sail together) is on me. Do the four day Labor day with me, and that first drink is on me, even if you hate the ship the staff and every passenger on board! (Andd I KNOW I will win this bet!

 

Karie,

Who had a grand time on the QM2 and neither saw nor heard a single word of snobbery! Remember, on the anonymous internet, you can be anyone you want to be, including a snob! And Hurray for your Uncle and Aunt, who show the love of family and friends trumps pretensiousness everytime! (To those show claim to be Chirstian among you, remember Jesus at the temple; those in their finery were not nearly as welcome, nor as sincere, as the poor widow with her mere two coins!

[pnhmrk]

Not QUIET at work either!

 

Why do I suspect that my typo was accurate?:D

[pnhmrk]

The IMPOSSIBLE snobbery on the QE2 the last time we were on board was intolerable.

 

Snobbery? On the QE2? Are there two QE2's? (In actual fact there are - or were - but as one's is/was a canal boat in the North of England I don't think it counts!) The only example of the staff being too high and mighty I can think of is the Irish barman in the Queens Grill Lounge - he turns his nose up at everyone! I would complain more about the way you're spoken to by the staff but that's not snobbery just ignorance.

 

We were in the top-of-the-line cabin in QG and STILL were treated like American riff-raff by too many of the staff. That was 4 years ago and was the last time we were on QE2.

 

Perhaps you are "riff-raff". but then, as Karie says "Satire, unfortunately, can often get easily misconstrued".

[heywood]

All these discussions around snobbery both amuse and irritate me at the same time. I always enjoys Karie's view of the world and its inhabitants - level headed and joyful.

I thought it was an English thing- snobbery -but no - it's the same the other side of the water too!

Whilst I am amused at some postings, I certainly am not by Slow Foxtrot's attempts at 'English' humour. Please do not believe that he is an exemplar of English wit. If you are a follower of these boards, you will notice that his postings have declined in their content since he first posted and asked an innocuous question about dancing/ music- I think it was.

I was reminded of 'manners maketh man' and looked it up. William of Wykeham "was one of the very few men who, having raised themselves by their abilities and integrity to riches and honour".

I don't want to be preaching or dampen people's humour but I do find Slow Foxtrot's sense of humour offensive.

On the other hand, I am really looking forward to my first Cunard venture where I can people watch and will love the interpretations of 'casual' and 'formal' and all the in betweens!

heywood [i really do have a very good sense of humour - Slow Foxtrot probably has not heard of one of my favourite comedians- Peter Kay - too cloth cap (the men around here don't wear 'ratting caps')]

[pnhmrk]

I certainly am not [amused] by Slow Foxtrot's attempts at 'English' humour.

 

I Am

 

I do find Slow Foxtrot's sense of humour offencive.

 

I don't

 

On the other hand, I am really looking forward to my first Cunard venture where I can people watch and will love the interpretations of 'casual' and 'formal' and all the in betweens!

 

We are all different and have different views - let's rejoice in that individuality. The one thing we have in common is that we all like liners and go or are looking forward to going on them.

[travel-to-go]

We are all different and have different views - let's rejoice in that individuality. The one thing we have in common is that we all like liners and go or are looking forward to going on them.

 

Hmm,

Isn't a liner something you put in a mac on a cold day? <G>

 

Karie,

who is STILL fashion challenged...even in a raincoat!

[Slow Foxtrot]

How can you bear to rub elbows with riff raff in the Casino or other public rooms?

 

"With great difficulty, my dear, with great difficulty!"

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To 'pnhmrk' of York.

 

"Thank you for your support. I shall always wear it" Nice racecourse at York. Seen some feisty fillies up there (in the Grandstand of course).

[Anteeta]

"With great difficulty, my dear, with great difficulty!"

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To 'pnhmrk' of York.

 

"Thank you for your support. I shall always wear it" Nice racecourse at York. Seen some feisty fillies up there (in the Grandstand of course).

 

Twists forelock nervously, curtsies and says, 'I think your posts are funny as well sir. Made me larf anyhow'.

 

Backs off forum.

[heywood]

"Thank you for your support. I shall always wear it"

Now I like that!

 

O.K. _ I regret to say that I was feeling crabby this morning (and before you say anything S.F. - crabby did enjoy it!)

I think I am having difficulty adjusting to my newly found wealth and am still coming to terms with the fact that I can actually sail aboard the same ship as gentlemen like yourself - albeit I shall still be downstairs!

Anyway must get back to sewing on the sequins on husband's flat cap for the Ascot ball. They disguise the oil stains. (He still thinks he works in the mill!)

regards

Heywood

[ladymacwilly]

Awww.... Heywood,

 

You're going to have a great time onboard! Don't let a couple curmudgens get you down. I (re-joined this board...had to quit for awhile.."whiners", and all you know). These few guys are harmless, (just look at the John Wayne comment attributed to the second largest Art Community in the US...) LOL!

:D

 

BTW, you Brits, it's 7,000 foot elevation, for God's sake! (kinda beats the "Mile High" city don't you think?) Don't you get you're geography off of anything but Hollywood? :rolleyes:

[maddea20]

Clearly people seem to think they are sailing on the Titanic or something. It's the new millenium ppl. Anyways, I agree that ppl who turn there noses up at someone wearing jeans on a cruise are bordering snobbish. And if this is how it is on a Cunard cruise, I will gladly stay put on a mere "casual" cruise as some ppl have said. God forbid I show up with my "jeans" on after sunset. I might be taken for a homeless girl castaway or something.

 

:D On that note, smile everyone and have a great cruise.:D

[pnhmrk]

Clearly people seem to think they are sailing on the Titanic or something. It's the new millennium ppl. Anyways, I agree that ppl who turn there noses up at someone wearing jeans on a cruise are bordering snobbish. And if this is how it is on a Cunard cruise, I will gladly stay put on a mere "casual" cruise as some ppl have said. God forbid I show up with my "jeans" on after sunset. I might be taken for a homeless girl castaway or something.

 

:D On that note, smile everyone and have a great cruise.:D

 

Not the Titanic - just a ship with a "reasonable" dress code. You like informal cruises, I like formal, we would both feel uncomfortable on the other's ship. Please don't force the QE2 to become very informal, there are already a lot of ships where you don't have to dress for dinner.

[maddea20]

uhm.... yeah ok.... seeing how there r what... a trillion ppl in this world I don't think I have the ability to force anything on any ship much less anything anywhere period. So no need to be frightened, ok? Plus ppl will start doing that anyways, so "I" don't have to do anything. I mean at one point in the past weren't all cruises very formal? And now most aren't, so please spare me, thank u.

[Slow Foxtrot]

uhm.... yeah ok.... seeing how there r what... a trillion ppl in this world I don't think I have the ability to force anything on any ship much less anything anywhere period. So no need to be frightened, ok? Plus ppl will start doing that anyways, so "I" don't have to do anything. I mean at one point in the past weren't all cruises very formal? And now most aren't, so please spare me, thank u.

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"Any chance of a translation into the Queen's English?"

[NoPiratesPlease]

but that's not snobbery just ignorance.

 

Perhaps you are "riff-raff". but then, as Karie says "Satire, unfortunately, can often get easily misconstrued".

 

Well, we DO bathe regularly (as in daily), and we didn't have all-night parties, nor did we trash the cabin or throw the television off the balcony. I DO wear either a tux or dinner jacket on formal nights and can, and do tie my own bowtie (can't stand wearing a clip-on tie--personal foible). So I guess "riff-raff" means calling crisps "potato chips" and saying "dance" instead of "donce".

 

We were travelling with friends from the UK and it was AMAZING. No matter what I asked for, the answer was almost always "No!" even from the QG Maitre'D. When my friend asked for it, with his Mancunian accent, the answer inevitably turned to "Yes".

 

"Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times is enemy action!" -- Goldfinger to James Bond

 

We never ran into this nonsense on Caronia. Crew would tell us that in Cunard, getting transferred to the little ship was seen as a plum, because the crew was a real family, who bonded with their passengers as well. We STILL correspond with a few of them. That's why Caronia was our favorite ship for such a long time, even if it was, usually, a fogey freighter.

 

NPP is another personal foible. I cannot STAND when ship photogs come up to you with the phony pirate with the plywood sword and the plastic parrot and will not have my picture taken with it. After the 1st cruise, I was done with it. So, "No Pirates, PLEASE!"

 

Haven't been on the QM2 yet. We've been cruising elsewhere.